The Crusades was not an act of Christianity. It was a ridiculous act committed by the Catholics. Don't blame Christianity for the mistakes that the Catholic church made. Same thing with the Inquisition. These were not Christians. In fact, during the Inquistition, a lot of Christians died for owning the Bible in their own language. Who's the history buff now? All of the wars, all of the acts that you're talking about were done by the Catholic church long ago, NONE of which is in any way attributed to Christianity. Christianity does not condone such acts.
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Sorry, bud, but if Catholics aren't Christians, neither are you. Because, short of revelation, the original teachings of Jesus are about 1800 years dead.
Try this one Jarad- let's just blame Christianity (which I assume you mean Protestantism) for its countless infighting (which in the early days was quite violent) and the Holocaust (you can try to blame that on Hitler being atheist, Catholic, pagan, whatever you dig up this week but the German people were LUTHERANS)
Catholics are Christians, moreover, at the time, the only alternative was being an Eastern Orthodox Christian. If by Christian you mean, Protestant, check all the atrocities your ancestors did such as burning innocent people or killing quakers.
I was raised Catholic, so I know some things that Catholics do. Among them:
He's right, people! Leave this one alone!
MY GOD! HE'S RIGHT! I just ASSUMED that Catholics were Christians because... you know... Catholics were kind of the people who decided which books got into the Bible... The Catholic Church were kind of the first pastors... The pope mentions God and Jesus in his speeches and prayers... but I suppose you are right. Catholics CAN'T be true Christains, like Stalin and the Soviet Union weren't true Atheists!
Hate to break it to you, Jarad, but Protestantism came out of Catholicism. If it weren't for the Catholics, it wouldn't exist.
Canada has no true winter. - Fanatic-Templar
So, when I went to Mass today, and the priest spoke about Jesus, God, Easter, the crucifixion and resurrection, that had nothing to do with Christianity? Got ya.
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Same thing with the Inquisition. These were not Christians. In fact, during the Inquistition, a lot of Christians died for owning the Bible in their own language. Who's the history buff now?
While not all Christians are Catholic, all Catholics are, in fact, Christian.
If anyone still has time to read this / gets this, Wikipedia has a good definition of what a christian is; Christianity, as people call it, is divided into basic sects; Born-again believers, and then people who believe in salvation through works. Born again believers believe that Jesus Christ is the one and only savior, not works or baptism. This is the point of view that Jarad was coming from. C.S Lewis wrote, "But, of course, being a Christian does mean thinking that where Christianity differs from other religions, Christianity is right and they are wrong. As in arithmetic - there is only one right answer to a sum, and all other answers are wrong; but some of the wrong answers are much nearer being right than others" (Mere Christianity, page 35). This is why he said that Catholics aren't christians, because from a born-again point of view, most catholics aren't christians. If you've got questions, e-mail me at lonespy777@juno.com. So, basically, you all are right, depending on your point of view.
"Don't blame Christianity for the mistakes that the Catholic church made."
Fine. Don't claim the Catholics when you're crowing about a majority, then.
You are absolutely correct about the Crusades in every respect. Pope Urban was certainly in the top 10 in the rogues gallery.
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