well the West's current zeitgeist is a direct backlash to the Nazis and WW2. The Nazis made European nationalism unpalatable. They also made White ethnocentrism taboo. Europe decided to reject its prior obsession with race and homogeneity, and chose to open up its societies (without ever imagining the damaging consequences of mass immigration and multiculturalism, because European leaders are functional retards). Not to mention that WW2 left Europe with a labor shortage, and so Muslims were imported to make up for this.
As for Germany specifically, the Nazis brought upon their people the destruction of many of their cities, the death of millions of young men, the rape of their women, and then 45 years of Allied/Soviet occupation. The Germans were forced by Americans to allow the migration of Turks as a source of cheap labor. And their guilt has led them to a state of total cuckoldry, to the extent that they have imported millions of nonWhites. There hardly even exists a cultural Germany anymore. None of this would have ever, ever happened without the Nazi's loss.
So it was a large gamble. Beat the Russians and the Nazis would have given Germany possibly the greatest nation in world history. But lose, and the Germans would become dispossessed.
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The Germans were forced by Americans to allow the migration of Turks as a source of cheap labor.
Beside all the other utter crap in that posting, this is historically wrong. First, it ignores the large numbers of immigrant Polish and otherwise Slavic workers in the industrial regions, especially the Ruhrgebiet, in the late 19th/early 20th centuries. After the war, the first wave of "Gastarbeiter" came from Italy, not Turkey. The Turks came later and that had absolutely nothing to do with the 4-powers.
Beat the Russians and the Nazis would have given Germany possibly the greatest nation in world history.
What disgusting, uniformed wishful-thinking bullshit. A German Endsieg would have been horrible for everybody, globally.
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As a German, the only thing I have to say to you is this: Fuck you, the Nazis did their near best to destroy all higher civilisation on the planet with their stupid and horrible fascist ideology (which is self-defeating anyway and could never have lead to any sort of utopia) and Germany itself definitely lost MUCH because of their regime, NOT because the Allies defeated them. Not to mention all the other horribly wrong statements you just made. I hope you suffer through endless decades of continued multiculturalism and other "cuckoldry" just so we can all live great lives and you keep being sad about that. Happy new year, asshole!
well the West's current zeitgeist is a direct backlash to the Nazis and WW2. The Nazis made European nationalism unpalatable. They also made White ethnocentrism taboo. Europe decided to reject its prior obsession with race and homogeneity, and chose to open up its societies
You say that as if any of these were bad things.
There hardly even exists a cultural Germany anymore.
You have never been to Germany or met a German even once in your life, haven't you?
@ChrisBP747
As a German, the only thing I have to say to you is this: Fuck you, the Nazis did their near best to destroy all higher civilisation on the planet with their stupid and horrible fascist ideology (which is self-defeating anyway and could never have lead to any sort of utopia) and Germany itself definitely lost MUCH because of their regime, NOT because the Allies defeated them. Not to mention all the other horribly wrong statements you just made. I hope you suffer through endless decades of continued multiculturalism and other "cuckoldry" just so we can all live great lives and you keep being sad about that. Happy new year, asshole!
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...and yet, post-Warsaw Pact Germany - under Chancellor Merkel - has never been stronger.
The sight of Bundeswehr Leopard IIs alongside British Army Challenger IIs in NATO exercises must make your Nazi soul shatter like the brain cell of a certain inferior subhuman Austrian who thought he had the right to have ideas above his station: via a dose of 7.65mm Aspirin.
...when that bullet had ricocheted around Shitler's mostly empty skull long enough to eventually hit said brain cell , that is.
If only he could have been the proto -Willy Brandt, eh Ramalamadingdong: if we're going into speculative 'What If' territory...?!
a labor shortage, and so Muslims were imported to make up for this
What, now...:
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...or then ?!
Enjoy your MC Escher-esque multi-dimensional paradox.
There hardly even exists a cultural Germany anymore.
Yeah, here, for example, we see Turkish muslims celebrating kafir-purge with some coriander tea:
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Here, we have the imam of Niedersachsen with his wife, wearing a special niqab:
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Enjoy your halal Bratwurst, y'all!
A lot of people fled from Germany and the occupied nations after WWII to the neighboring countries (including Sweden). We still needed to "import" workers from Italy and Turkey in the 60's and 70's to make up the shortage of workers.
West Germany wasn't really occupied after WWII, only East Germany was under occupation.
Whose guilt? The Turks? Guilt for what?
Cuckoldry? They are the husbands of adulterous wives so they have to import people with darker skin? Doesn't compute...
I've been to Berlin and to München recently, to Hamburg about 20 years ago, and there definitely exists a cultural Germany still.
You're aware that there are other countries in Europe than Germany, right? And most of us did NOT want a greatest nation in Nazi Germany. Germany is the richest and most powerful country in Europe anyway.
@Doubting Thomas
That's not even the half of it. Even ignoring those things as well as the war crimes and the extreme surveillance of the public (with a growing resistance) Nazi Germany would have failed spectacularly once the war was finished. The grand plans of Hitler and his crownies after the war were mostly architectural nightmares and stripping every conquered nation of their ressources, which would have been necessary, because Germany was already bancrupt to such a high degree by the war and the stupid plans of the Nazis that the war was all that staved of the economic collapse. In the end the Nazis would have had to go to war again and again and either would have been defeated at one point or the other from outside or from within. Fascism never leads to prosperous societies, since it actually despises all forms of civilisation in the first place. And Germany was no exception in that regard.
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