On gay marriage leading to legalized murder
[That's ludicrous. One party in a murder doesn't consent! Both parties to a same sex marriage do. What is so difficult about that?]
Oh, and "consent" is an arbitrary value, which has no objective basis whatsoever in secularism. You are discriminating against those people who desire to have a loving relationship with someone else who does not consent, or even a child who does! And any age limitation on consent is arbitrary under your view as well.
20 comments
Having a relationship without consent, however, discriminates against the non-consensual party.
This argument is stupid and you are stupid for arguing it without sarcasm.
You can't have a loving relationship with someone who doesn't consent. Because if you loved them then you wouldn't want to be in a relationship they didn't consent too. And the thing is that a child cannot consent (because they lack the mental capability to make that decision) so they don't give consent even if they appear too, so again if you truly loved them you'd understand that.
And yes the age limitation is arbitrary which is why it varies between states and purposes (military service, drinking , sex, marriage) but that's because its not even remotely plausible to define some sort of system that would determine when a person was mentally and physically prepared for those acts which wouldn't be highly inefficient and almost certainly a grave breach of privacy to boot so we make do with an imperfect approximation as a substitute.
"You are discriminating against those people who desire to have a loving relationship with someone else who does not consent, or even a child who does!"
Yes. Yes we are. You can call that "discrimination" if you want, but it doesn't matter. It is well-justified discrimination, objectively well-justified.
i keep saying these guys genuinely and fundamentally can't understand what consent means, and folks seem to think i'm joking or exaggerating somehow. i only wish i were. i dunno just why it is; my best guess is they're so totally locked into a hierarchical, authority-worshipping worldview that they can't imagine human relationships NOT based on giving or taking orders.
Consent is a seriously easy concept to understand.
"Oh, and "consent" is an arbitrary value, which has no objective basis whatsoever in secularism."
“Oh, and "consent" is an arbitrary value”
“which has no objective basis whatsoever in secularism”
“You are discriminating against those people who desire to have a loving relationship with someone else who does not consent”
“or even a child who does”
"And any age limitation on consent is arbitrary under your view as well.”
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
To post a comment, you'll need to Sign in or Register . Making an account also allows you to claim credit for submitting quotes, and to vote on quotes and comments. You don't even need to give us your email address.
