Please recall that Christianity is the only worldview that ever denied, undermined, and outlawed magic. For the superstitious to call the rational ‘superstitious’ is beyond irony.
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I suck at posting pictures, so could someone please post Lex Luthor screaming at Lois Lane that she is incorrect?
Anyways, when does the Bible deny magic? The Bible makes numerous references to sorcery as a thing that exists. It outlaws it, yes, but that's not the same as denying. As for undermining, first demonstrate that there is magic to be undermined. Then you can swap notes with this atheist on who undermines magic more.
I mean, I understand what he's arguing. It's the presuppositionalist puke that uniformity of nature is a Christian idea, even though the Bible wholeheartedly rejects such a notion by stating explicitly that Yahweh frequently intervenes in the universe to cast spells.
Deny? Nope. It basically says all of it is real. Just demonic in nature.
Also, what do you call talking snakes and water being parted and walking on water? Because that sounds like magic to me.
Honestly, I never understood christianity's phobia of anything magic related. To the point that any fictional portrayal of magic is considered evil. I mean, Jesus, for one, used magic all the time. But just because they are called "miracles" it somehow makes it ok?
Who decided god has a monopoly on magic anyway? ...Oh, right. "Screw the rules, I make 'em"
We skeptics do not need to outlaw magic, because we are immune to it, as demonstrated by Sanal Edamaruku!
Also, most illusionists are skeptics because they know best that "magic" is nothing but smoke and mirrors.
PS:
"For the superstitious to call the rational superstitious’ is beyond irony."
How true...
Actually, Christianity acknowledges all kinds of magic. Can't call another cult's bullshit "bullshit" without opening the door to the questioning of your own bullshit. No, you just warp it into your own story by calling it "Satanic" or something. Closed-loop delusion.
Call it, "faith," call it, "Gertrude the Whore," it's still superstition.
We've outgrown magical superstitions, at least most of us have. We no longer cross our fingers when we tell a lie. The Easter bunny and the tooth fairy are left behind with our toys and our teddy bears. Religion is the next superstition to go, for those of us who grow up: "When I became a man, I put away childish things".
Please recall that Christianity is the only worldview that ever denied, undermined, and outlawed magic.
Wasn’t there a story not so long ago about how Saudi Arabia offered classes in Defense Against The Dark Arts? And I am pretty sure that whole “don’t suffer a witch to live” is from the OT. You know, the Jewish part of your holy book?
@John
"Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent" (Exod. 7.10)
I guess we can chalk this one up to “Early Installment Weirdness”. The authors hadn’t worked out the magic system they wanted to use yet. Later they settled for “any magic the supposedly good guys use is called miracles and therefore not magic”.
Aren't miracles a form of magic? If so, future saints must perform/be attributed to two magic spells to become saints, I believe.
It is indeed ironic for religious people to call rational people "superstitious", Mr Wrong.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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