Fox Business personalities had a collective freak out on Wednesday night after learning that mothers were now the primary source of income in 40 percent of U.S. households.
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Fox News contributor Erick Erickson went one step further, saying nature itself commanded that women be subservient to men.
“I’m so used to liberals telling conservatives that they’re anti-science,” Erickson explained. “But liberals who defend this and say it is not a bad thing are very anti-science. When you look at biology, when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role. The female, it’s not antithesis, or it’s not competing, it’s a complimentary role.”
“We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complimentary relationships in nuclear families, and it is tearing us apart,” he continued, adding that “reality showed” it was harmful for women to be the primary source of income in a family.
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...“reality showed” it was harmful for women to be the primary source of income in a family.
Citation seriously fucking needed. Reality shows no such thing and I challenge you to find a study that proves this without digging into the vault of some fundy organization. You know, something based on facts and science.
Growing up, if my mom didn't work she and my dad wouldn't have been able to provide all those nutty things by brother and I liked to have: food, clothing, a protective structure. This wasn't about fancy vacations, big appliances and new-model cars (my dad drove a Dodge Dart for many years, just like Al Bundy), this was about basic survival. The same reason why I worked both during my first marriage and after the divorce. My son expected to be cared for and as my child he had every right to expect me to take care of him. Think he was going to be fed, housed, warmed, clothed and have all of his needs provided by the $300 per month child support I was getting for him alone?
Dipshits. Women don't just work because they want to (though if that's a woman's only reason for working, it's good enough). Two income families are the norm.
Personally, I can't wait for my children to get a little older so I can work again.
Sexists Say The Darndest Things, please?
Actually what disturbs me about EE's posts, if you read his responses, is his weird language that reminds me of the MRAs parodied over at Manboobz.com. His talk of beta males, etc. is rather disturbing.
looking at biology, male dominance isn't even nearly universal. large parts of the animal kingdom lack it, substituting female dominance or no long-term pair bonding / family structure at all. rearing young in some sort of "family" is probably the rare exception, in fact; consider all the beetles, after all.
trying to hyperfocus only on the parts of the natural world that display the traits you want human society to emulate is pointless, unless you're trying to say those are the parts "most like us", in which case BONOBOS. besides, "most like" still implies "somehow different", in which case explain why behavior and family structure can't be one of those differences for us.
Constantly obsessing with the natural world and "natural law". But they're always wrong. Saying homosexuality is "unnatural". No. And now saying males are the dominant sex in nature. No.
“...When you look at biology, when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role. The female, it’s not antithesis, or it’s not competing, it’s a complimentary role.”
Naturalistic fallacy. You lose.
"when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role."
Lions - The lioness is the primary hunter while the male lion lays around all day, then eats from the bounty the lioness bring home.
Penguins - The male penguin hatches the eggs while the female goes in search of food.
Seahorses - The make carries and hatches the eggs while the female runs off to do her own thing.
Your claim is debunked.
In most mammalian species, the female gets to choose their mate, so the males have to compete harder and sexual selection is harsher on them.
I think you'll have to define "dominant" before you slap it on some critter in hope it reflects back on you.
@OhJohnNo
WOW! You KNOW you've really gone out of line when one of you co-anchors, on the FAUX Noyze channel chews you out!
She's not a total "Stepford", that's a good sign.
I think Erickson needs to understand what the word "anti-science" actually means.
Observing that nature works one way, and choosing to live in a different way, is not anti-science.
Denying established scientific fact because it conflicts with your political interests is anti-science.
I love it when people born long after the fifties (seriously, Erickson was born in 1975) start complaining about how bad it is that women work outside the home and no longer stay in the kitchen. Seriously, Erickson? Odds are, there were plenty of female breadwinners when you were growing up in the EARLY NINETIES!
@OhJohnNo: the lulz! They won't stop! ROTFLMAO!!!!
Thanks, I really needed the laugh ^^
On a side note, after seeing what he actually looks like, I really, really want to suggest showing Erick that among lions it is the females who bring the bacon home, using him as the bacon...
I am a man and no one offered to let me be a "homemaker", it was just assumed a man worked.
I do find it sad that many women can not afford to stay home and raise their little kids. That said many of the women working probably feel they have no choice but to work and fill the income hole that the economy has left them with.
Many animals have the female do most of the "work" and they are often larger than the males.
Seeing as red states use a disproportionatly greater amount of welfare than blue states, it's safe to say that this "problem" is greatly contributed to by Republican, family-values-preaching men who walk out on their wives and/or kids.
It's funny how, nowadays, your ability to earn a salary and move up the corporate ladder are not based on how physically strong you are or how fast you are or how accurate you are with a spear of bow.
You fucking fail biology.
For most mammals that live in permanent social groups, the females form the backbone of the stable group and the males come and go.
Let's not even get into the social insects, where in the vast majority of species the males are only good for breeding with the queen and die during the act of mating or shortly afterward.
Wow. A comment so sexist and stupid, even Fox News gave it some backlash.
Erick Erickson, I believe that a quote from a former president can sum up your situation quite nicely:
"You lose."- Calvin Coolidge
"Oh noes! Wimmins is working and pushing our 1950's-style conservative utopia even further away!"
You know what? If it weren't for Republican trickle-down theories about capitalism, then maybe women could stay home and raise kids if that's what they want to do. But there are very few families which don't require both spouses to bring in an income these days. And if the woman happens to be the primary breadwinner, who cares? The children are still being taken care of.
@KittyKaboom
Reality shows no such thing and I challenge you to find a study that proves this without digging into the vault of some fundy organization.
I guarantee you that as we post here there is some group with the word "family" in the name which is skewing statistics to show that women working is harmful to the family.
So, is this part of the GOP's new outreach to women voters? If so then keep at it. You'll have women voting for you in record numbers! Record low, yes, but that's okay, right? I'm sure you can scrounge up enough angry, old, white men to vote for you. It worked so well last time.
Actually in most species females do all, more, or at least equal work when it comes to family life. The female can be the larger dominant one, as with shark, birds of prey, and spider species... The whole "women are subservient to men" thing is a total fantasy, anyhow.
We'd like to keep our society smart and not dumb, thanks.
You wouldn't know biology if it fucked you in the ass.
Take a look at the Black Window spider, the Praying Mantis, or the Seahorse and tell me about traditional gender roles in the animal kingdom.
Hopefully your wife submits in the same fashion as the Black Widow Spider AND EATS YOUR FUCKING FACE!
How does somebody as stupid, incompetent, and repulsive as Erik Erikson become a highly paid journalist at multiple news networks??? Is his Daddy somebody important? Any drunk bum off the street would do a better job than him and be more entertaining.
In reality, depends on the animal. Whales, for example, have females as the strongest role. And not only that, lions, contrary to popular conception, is dominated by the FEMALE PRIDE. If they don't like a male, better run.
The funniest part for me was this bit, "We as people in a smart society"
I laughed so much some wee came out
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