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Just Along For The Ride

Fine, as soon as women drop the 'men are sex-hungry, mindless rapist pigs' ethic. And really, how are you supposed to flirt if now more than ever a woman can get you thrown in jail with ease (cuz' we #believewomen) if you so much as look at her wrong? I know incels are delusional dickheads, but unfortunately the notion that males are increasingly discriminated against while women get a free pass on more or less everything is not all that far-fetched. You can see it wherever you look...sexist jokes against women? Huge taboo. Sexist jokes against men? A-okay, encouraged even. Men being shallow and entitled? How dare they. Women being shallow and entitled? They're strong and independent who refuse to bow to the patriarchy. So on and so forth. It's just that nobody is willing to discuss this in a mature way, because as soon as a male brings it up, he's immediately drowned out by a chorus of 'AH THE WIDDLE MANBABY IS UPSET ABOUT NOT GETTING HIS PEEPEE WET' and 'oh, you're no longer free to harass women without consequences, poor you'. And if a woman brings it up (which very rarely happens, because let's not beat around the bush, most women are more than happy to milk their eternal victim status coupled with their newfound priviliges for all it's worth), she's labeled and 'internalised misogyinist' and 'gender traitor'. This whole gender war stopped being about equality a long, long time ago. Now it's pretty much all about female supremacy.

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old comment by Musicalbookworm

FFS! Women cannot get me thrown in jail on a whim. Believing women means you don't assume women are lying or at fault when they tell you they've been assaulted. Prosecutors are not going to take something to trial without evidence. Rape trial have not been and will not be reduced to a woman saying "He raped me," and the judge saying "Good enough for me, lock him up!" Why is it too much to ask that women who allege they are victims of rape are treated the same as any other crime victim? If someone reports a theft to the police, they are believed until evidence shows they are deceptive. No one asks a victim of theft if s/he was at fault. Hell, police even put out "bait" cars. #Believewomen should have been the fucking default from the beginning!

People, men and women, are free to ask for what they want in a partner and refuse to settle. For some people this will mean going without a partner. If sticking to your guns about your standards is more important to you than having a partner, so be it. Human nature being what it is, some people who are left without a partner will rant about it. That's cool. Life will hand you a lot of lemons and sometimes you just don't have the sugar. What is not OK is to advocate for other people's choices to be taken away to satisfy your desires.

I'll hold off on calling feminism a fight for female superiority until we've actually achieved equality. We're still a long way off from that. In fact, I fear we're headed for a period of loosing ground. I'm quite sure Roe is on borrowed time.

old comment by Anon

Musicalbookworm

Er, I'm afraid you're reading a tiny bit more into my comment than I intended. I don't believe other people's choices should be taken away to satisfy my desires. I don't believe I'm entitled to sex/affection. I've realized a long time ago that those are for attractive/successful people, and I'm neither. It's unfair, yes, because many of the things that make me as worthless as I am I have no control over, but then that means I might as well accept it instead of bitterly raging about. it Also, nowhere do I advocate for stuff like criminalizing abortion. I just wanted to point out that while all this fighting for female "equality" is going on, males are increasingly demonized, made to feel bad about their gender, and are still expected to behave according to stereotypes and standards that women long since shook off. Well, whatever, I suppose. It's not like any of this personally affects me, since I'm an antisocial loner who's long since given up on attracting affection from women (or men, for that matter, I swing both ways...though I should note I've had very slightly more success with men, they just tend to be less pretentious, roundabout, and demanding about the whole sex/relationship thing). It just kind of irks me that these days the popular narrative seems to be that women can do no wrong, whereas conversely, men can do ONLY wrong.

old comment by Skide

You are making seriously loose points here. The ones who still judge you on adherence to the outdated stereotypes are your own men, men who really can`t cope with their toxic idea of what it is to be a man is no longer valid in the eyes of society. You are conflating one group who wants you to not be a toxic douche and wouldn`t even care less if you started presenting as genderfluid or some such with actual misoginists and their ways of putting everyone in the place they have already prepared for them. Two different groups, man, two different groups.

Now, lets go on to the notion that a woman can do no wrong while a man can only do wrong but first, let me ask you: Are you honestly, seriously afraid that if you ask a woman out she will accuse you of a sexual assault?

Now regardless of that question, do you realise your point of view is not even close to absolute and perhapos you`ve been feeding yourself stuff to entrench yourself in that view? I`m asking because I`ve seen people mercilessly laughing at shallow, vapid cunts all day long and I`ve seen men been given a break under the same circumstances. Perhaps what you are actually observing is that it depends on a person and how they can usually spin their crap or not? Generalisations are not usefull when creating your argument for others.

Lastly, there are many areas in which men`s rights should be expanded and their voices heard much more, child custody, being a victim of sexual assault and so on... But notice that it is not these issues you`re selling here, it`s the ever frightful prospect of asking out a woman and being somehow fearfull that she will describe it as sexual assault.

old comment by Just Along For The Ride

"Fine, as soon as women drop the 'men are sex-hungry, mindless rapist pigs' ethic."

Anon, we all have the option to be something better. There's always going to be someone, male, female or otherwise, going around being an asshole. Hang around the ones who devote their energy to making the world a better place.

Aside from that, Musicalbookworm said a lot of the rest that I would have said.

From your response to Musicalbookworm:
"I just wanted to point out that while all this fighting for female "equality" is going on, males are increasingly demonized, made to feel bad about their gender, and are still expected to behave according to stereotypes and standards that women long since shook off."

However much you put the word equality in quotation marks, that is what many of us want, and we're not there yet. There are problems within feminism which means that some things women have said in the name of feminism have sounded vindictive, but you can say the same for pretty much any movement. Many women feel anger and resentment towards things done to them and to women dear to them, and some of that hostility you're interpreting as a desire for female supremacy is simply wanting men to know what it's fucking like for once. Emphasis on the 'for once'. Now, I'm not going to condemn them for feeling that anger because God knows, I know where it's coming from. I've had reason to feel angry too. I am however wary of it because its main value is in those women recognising their own justified rage and, in the process of venting that rage, clearing out their anger in a harmless way and figuring out a more constructive way forward.

There is anger. There is going to be a fuck-tonne more. Recognise it for what it is, and hang around people with cooler heads. As someone who just wants an easier life myself, I can attest that that's the best thing you can do. Sometimes it's the only thing you can do.

And finally, Skide said this:
"Lastly, there are many areas in which men`s rights should be expanded and their voices heard much more, child custody, being a victim of sexual assault and so on... But notice that it is not these issues you`re selling here, it`s the ever frightful prospect of asking out a woman and being somehow fearfull that she will describe it as sexual assault. "

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Women have our own shit to do, but so do men, and my own approach to feminism is that both sexes need to help each other out with the big issues in order to make decent headway. It will take cooperation from both sides to get some of the shit done that we need to. However, feeding the notion that a man flirting with a women will land him in jail without a fair trial is only hurting the men - and women - who need help with the worst that sexism can do to us.

old comment by Anon

You do make fair points for the most part, and like some of you said, I can understand women's collective anger at men to some extent, but a revenge mentality is not really going to get us anywhere in the long run. Yeah, I know, easy for me to say, being a white male (superficially at least) and all, but still. As for the dated stereotypes and gender roles being mainly enforced by men, well...yes, they're definitely more prone to it, but I've personally met plenty of women who just as earnestly believe that men should behave a certain way, while they should be free to do whatever they want. Case in point, I'm genderqueer, and wear female clothes pretty often, though very rarely in public. I've got more hurtful comments about that from women than I ever have from men. They find it gross, unmanly, or plain messed up. But if I tell them, well, okay then, what the hell are you doing wearing trousers in public, huh?, they wave it off because that's normal. This is just one point specific to my experience, and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of women out there who don't particularly care about me wearing a skirt, but there are also plenty who do, and give me shit for it. I know my original comment was pretty obnoxious, but trying to navigate the gender war minefield as a socially awkward loser who has trouble connecting with people to start with...it gets pretty frustrating.

I'm really starting to feel like at this point the best thing I can do is just withdraw and try to achieve some zen-like state where it just doesn't bother me anymore, but I'm afraid of becoming a creepy, basement-dwelling alcoholic who just sits slumped in front of zir computer, chugs beer and waits to die. I'd like to go out there, meet people and make friends and what have you, but it's really just becoming too easy to say the wrong thing and get ostracized, and I've had enough of that back in my childhood and teens, so I really don't want to risk it anymore. I just feel like any conversation I start, particularly with women, is more of a mental and vocal sparring match than friendly interaction. Okay, whatever, I need to stop rambling, you lot probably think I'm just fishing for sympathy as is...

old comment by Skide

Hey, I feel you, though honestly I never had your clothing experience and as a transwoman I understand the fear very well(well I should say I did since now for many years I`ve been apparently looking completely natural), and I transitioned in Poland which is anything but a tolerant and progressive country. I wanna say you might simply be living in a wrong town or something but it would trivialise your issue without actually giving you any solution. Truth is we are all human and individuals, so I`m not gonna even try to defend those nasty bitches you had the displeasure of having you lectured, just please do keep in mind that we really are not like that as a rule or such. Keep your chin up and if you`d like somebody to talk to, I`ll be happy to share with you my mail.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Fine, as soon as women drop the 'men are sex-hungry, mindless rapist pigs' ethic. And really, how are you supposed to flirt if now more than ever a woman can get you thrown in jail with ease (cuz' we #believewomen) if you so much as look at her wrong?

One down, two to go.

Even if it's not for rape, in Soviet Finland man fucks himself.

And inferior subhumans like you no longer having the right to so much as think the way you do: and all because of the backlash - that is #MeToo - due to Weinstein, Cosby & co.? Fine.

The 'Ambassadors Club' here in Britain has done so much for the cause of Political Correctness.

Good. And speaking of Britain:

Now it's pretty much all about female supremacy

Since the early 1950s we Brits are still trying to figure out the downsides to this.

Or do you want Jeremy Corbyn in No. 10, OP...?! Considering the only other time we had a woman as Prime Minister - known as 'Raygun's Poodle'* - as even Jerkoff Pees-Bogg knows that a Labour government is an absolute certainty should Theresa May Not's Conservative government fall, you are forced to admit that women are at least equal to we men.

Quite the paradox that represents for the likes of you manbabies, eh...?!

*- A politician's 'Poodle'. Someone with a funny hairstyle & an ego to match being inferior to a man And Maggie Thatcher. (*spit*)

What was stopping her from being exactly like Barbara Castle, a past Transport Minister in a government: Labour.

An American man influenced Barbara: by driving AC Cobras at 180 MPH on our M1 in the 1960s, Carroll Shelby (for it is he) ensured millions of British lives were saved by her introducing the 70 MPH speed limit on our motorways.

old comment by Just Along For The Ride

"I can understand women's collective anger at men to some extent, but a revenge mentality is not really going to get us anywhere in the long run"

Here's a thing. Getting beyond that mentality and becoming something better is compliance (where we were for a very long time) > rebellion > autonomy. Rebellion looks very much like autonomy and is indistinguishable to the inexperienced, but true autonomy is not needing to rebel. Now, some of that requires changes to the law (or how and when the law is enforced), and some requires changes to culture (cat-calling, for instance). Autonomy is difficult or impossible when it's not being facilitated properly. Some of it needs to be us - men and women - having it out with ourselves and deciding to forgive, move on, and start anew. That in itself could raise a heated discussion but ultimately forgiveness is a deeply personal issue.

About being given shit for wearing female clothes out in public... likr Skide, I don't want to trivilise that issue either (especially since I don't have personal experience of it), but I have spent a lot of time living in more cosmopolitan cities, and wonder if it's worth you having a try at wearing something female on a visit to one of those cities (not necessarily the whole garb? Something easy to remove maybe?) and seeing how you do? For sure, that's more of a risk to you to try than it is for me to suggest, but that might be a place to start. I really hope you find a way to be yourself in a way that works for you.

As for your confidence levels... I got broken down by my family until I couldn't look people in the eye, apologised or thanked people multiple times over little things, and was virtually unemployable. It's a tough path to get confidence, but please let me assure that it is possible.

I would offer to talk further as Skide has, but unfortunately I'm living the life of about 3 people at the moment so I couldn't promise to spend the time you deserve.

I really wish you the best of luck, though. Take care of yourself. 'Kay?