"Evolution is a lie, and it's being taught in schools as fact, and it's leading our kids in the wrong direction," said McLean, chatting outside the chapel. "But now people like Ken Ham are tearing evolution to pieces."
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Jeez. I mean on the spectrum of anti-evolutionists Ken Ham is about as intellectually barren as they come. I almost feel sympathy for the average person who falls for Jonathan Wells, Michale Behe, or William Dembski. They at least have PhD.s to use as a basis for authority. All Ken Ham does is quote scripture.
Dear Creationists,
GTFO of the European continent.
Sincerely,
Cosigned,
"First America, then Europe, and tomorrow the World!" [Insert maniacal bond villain laughter here]
Just stay the fuck out of Australia.
They've already made it to South Africa. Fortunately, this is a paranoid country where everybody has 8 foot concrete walls around their houses and when they come banging on the gates we can ignore them from afar.
Occasionally, however, when we are expecting someone else, we accidentally let one or two in. My husband, raised a Hindu (but now not a believer), listened to a pair of them rant on and on about the end times and how only Fundies were going to be saved and finally interrupted them saying, "Wow, looks like you guys have some hard times coming. I'm really glad I have Krishna to protect me." Their jaws were still hanging open as he escorted them out the gates and locked them out.
Arrogant assholes.
James, old man, you can believe whatever you wish, but the idea that Ham is capable of tearing any scientific theory to pieces is absurd.
The man is incapable of even articulating a coherent thought without his crib notes.
Guess what: this guy is a London cabbie (taxi-driver).
While they are renowned for having an opinion on anything, I think I'd prefere to get critique on evolution from someone with slightly better credentials than "the knowledge".
But to think that after the reformation, renaissance, enlightenment, age of science, Europe is being invaded by the "goddidit" fundie magic believers!
Can't you Americans keep your missionaries at home, please? :)
"But now people like Ken Ham are tearing evolution to pieces."
Are you from one of those alternate realities where up is down and left is right and hot is cold and black is white? Did you arrive here by portal? Tell me more please.
Riiiiight
If you fundies had your way, we would still be wearing bearskins, and using flint knives.
Europeans would likely ignore these idiots completely, thus making them completely ineffectual.
The article is a little sensationalist. In fact, Creationism has no place in Europe. Some in UK but not even that and the guys who defend it are considered crackpots. However, I wonder what this guy consider "tear into pieces". In fact, even in USA and Turkey(where it's most popular), the number of creationist scientist doesn't reach 10%(in USA only 4% or even less). And moreover, the more education, the less likely to believe in creationism everywhere. So, if a guy who has no clue of science, tells that another guy without idea of science is tearing into pieces, well, he must wonder how it's possible that he can produce a single newsletter without wondering.
"People are looking for spirituality," White said in an interview at his office in Leicester, 90 miles north of London. "I think they are fed up with not finding true happiness. They find having a bigger car doesn't make them happy. They get drunk and the next morning they have a hangover. They take drugs but the drugs wear off. But what they find with Christianity is lasting."
And there you have it, ladles and gentlespoons,the opiate of the masses defined.
Yes, people have a natural yearning for spirituality. But I don't think that filling people with "The TRUTH of Creationism" will help people any better in the long run than people who believe in New Age stuff.
At least in New Age stuff, (reincarnation, psychics, etc.) many times you are encourage to find things out for yourself and take control of your destiny yourself, rather than Creationists saying "Stop thinking and start believing this 2,000 year old myth."
Also, in the U.S. income level is a huge part of whether you believe it or not. I live in a fairly affluent upper-middle class area (Seattle) and I tnink most people around here accept evolution as unquestioned fact. Once you get into the more rural areas outside of Seattle, however, the number of Creationists swells in numbers.
I just wanted to make sure people in Europe or Australia don't read this and think we're ALL religion-crazed. In fact, I'd say that while the number of fundamentalists here is only a small percentagee of the population, it only looks big because they have such influencial lobbyists in our federal government. It still looks much better here to get elected by saying you are religious than by saying you are not.
"But now people like Ken Ham are tearing evolution to pieces."
So you're saying that Ken Ham is smarter than all of the evolutionary biologists on the planet put together?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
So we should tear all of the modern antibiotics "to pieces"? You won't ever need them, right? "Evolution is a lie", right? We can just use old antibiotics, right? If they don't work for you, you're just a really big sinner, because they worked for Christians before! Perhaps you're not a "True Christian" then?
"Tearing evolution to pieces"? Give me a freaking break...
Oh, right, because his "You see, I have this book" answer to every question posed to him is very compelling?
Especially so when coupled with "If anything contradicts my interpretation of my book, it's wrong", even though he acknowledges humans are "fallible" and "do not possess all information"?
From AIG's "Statement of Faith":
"The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information."
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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