If a girl goes to a cottage for a drunken feast with a bunch of boys she hardly knows and is subsequently gang-raped, she was asking for it.
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You need to choke on my fist too, knuckle-dragger.
There is never any justification for rape. Ever! If a girl walks around buck-fucking nekkid, that still doesn't justify it.
You are a sick tool.
To play devil's advocate here:
No, there is no such thing as "asking to be raped". But I still wonder where that hypothetical girl's brains are in this situation - drunken feast with a bunch of doys she hardly knows = clearly a risk-increasing factor.
The girl clearly wasn't thinking, I'll give you that (not that I in any way, shape or form approve of his point, just to be clear). But what kind of person would see rape as a just punishment for not using your brains? If everyone thought like that, there wouldn't be an unviolated fundy in the world...
> If a girl goes to a cottage for a drunken feast with a bunch of boys she hardly knows and is subsequently gang-raped, she was asking for it.
Yeah, and if you get killed by a bunch of unruly characters after insulting them after a few drinks, that should clearly be ruled a suicide.
But I have to apologise to Pratchett, because your analogy is clearly not meant to be funny.
Granted, there are steps you can take to prevent rape from happening. Even if never the victim's fault, well, she's learned a lesson about prudent behaviour. Like with muggings in dark alleys.
That said, I don't see jebus or mohammed in here, so it's not fundie and can we go back to having only quotes from fundies please? Somebody obviously has an axe to grind vis-à-vis women's rights and this is not the place to express it.
While I personally disagree with saying that she was "asking for it," even if we were to accept such terminology, that does not mean that no crime was committed.
A crime -- a brutal crime nonetheless -- was still committed, and it should be investigated and punished to the full extent of the law.
While I agree that it's not really a good idea for a girl to go to a party with a bunch of drunken boys, you have to be a pretty slimy piece of shit to say that she asked to be raped or was deserving of it.
But what Aminatep didn't realize that it was his/her daughter and she was consenting. The rape story is just what she said later.
Si puer cum puellula
And if wishes were fishes for poor deprived Andrea.
But nothing excuses rape or any undesired sexual contact.
Oh dear...I thought TV Tropes was above this seeing as how they have an article on "double standards". But then, you can't blame the whole community for the actions and thoughts of one individual.
Oh, and it's still rape since a drunk person legally can't give consent. Because they're not thinking clearly. At all.
"If a girl goes to a cottage for a drunken feast with a bunch of boys she hardly knows and is subsequently gang-raped, she was asking for it."
Aminatep's defense for getting in line.
Rape is not a punishment for being naive. Does it happen? Sure, and her friends should try to talk her out of such risky behavior. However, rape is sex WITHOUT CONSENT, which means that by definition nobody can ever "ask for it" and it's always going to be a crime. And no matter how naive, stupid, skimpily dressed, or sexually active a particular woman is, it in no way diminishes the crime. Rape is rape and that's one moral issue that happens to be pretty black and white.
If a fundie wanders into a leather bar to use the bathroom and get a soda and is subsequently gang-raped, he was asking for it.
BTW I do know gays aren't mad rapists, I'm just trying to make point.
To Campbunny: They don't need to be an idiot to be a fundie.
Fundie
A usually religious person or entity characterized by one or more of the following: an extreme lack of rationality, fondness of logical fallacies, repeated use of emotional appeals, rigid adherence to Bronze Age mythology, endorsement of pseudoscientific nonsense, opposition to the First Amendment, bigotry and discriminatory attitudes towards minority groups, belief that certain children's media is the work of Satan, and propensity to post Bible verses instead of valid argument.
Perhaps such a hypothetical girl is rather stupid and lacking in a sense of self-preservation. Still doesn't mean she deserved to be raped.
But how often does such a thing happen? I mean, not just raped by one guy, but gang-raped? I didn't think that happened outside of porn.
If you walk outside during a rainstorm, you're asking to be hit by lighting.
If you cross the street, you're asking to be hit by a car.
If you eat food, you're asking to get food poisoning.
See guys? It works with everything!
"At the rate we've been accumulating these quotes we're gonna need a dedicated "Sexists Say The Darndest Things" board."
Don't you mean "Misogynists Say The Darndest Things"? Because I hardly see quotes on this site from women talking shit about men
Fuck you. Like she knew it was going to turn into rape?
The point is, women should be able to get drunk around guys and expect (exactly like guys do) that their bodily autonomy will be respected. Alcohol doesn't give you an excuse. If you know you can't control yourself around women when you're drunk, then maybe you shouldn't get drunk, dumb shit.
@campbunny: Granted, there are steps you can take to prevent rape from happening.
Like rapists not raping women? I agree.
TV Tropes? Really?
I rather like that site . . . of course, I think sane people outnumber the misogynists there.
Still a good site, even after Aminatep's stupid post. (And at least it's an the forum and not the wiki itself, 'cos otherwise I'd edit it out in a heartbeat.)
not fundy, but a total douchebag who deserves a kick in the groin.
we so need sexists say the darndest things...
While doing something like that is definitely UNWISE, since most people would realize the high risk involved, that still does NOT mean she was "asking for it". Having a "drunken feast with a bunch of boys she hardly knows" does NOT give them the right to rape her. Nothing gives anyone the right to rape anybody. Period.
while I agree that this scenario on the young ladies behalf is indeed "asking for trouble" I do not concur with your ridiculous theory that she is indeed "asking to be raped" and therefore deserves what she gets should these boys decide to take this action.
In short: FUCK YOU. DIAF.
and would this "girl" and the "boys" happen to be snow white and the seven drawfs in this merry making lil cottage you speak of?
Think about it... one woman... seven men... all just the right height for delight... XD
#1134138
Why can't we lock up all the crazies. I wish we had better mental health programs.
I constantly get a kick out of my own insanity. It saves me from looking for a "way out". I love to laugh... loudly... out of nowhere... in a crowd. LOL
So if she knew them and they weren't drinking, would you still excuse the rapists? Probably, I'm thinking. Incidentally, this trope is never applied to any other type of crime, even theft of property. Just goes to show that culture thinks men can be entitled to do as they please to your body and it'll still be all your fault.
If a girl goes to a cottage for a drunken feast with a bunch of boys she hardly knows and is subsequently gang-raped, she was asking for it.
She wouldn't if I or any of my personal friends were one of those "boys", and I assure you I ain't no saint, and neither do I know any.
What if you (assuming you are a guy) were in a new town and you met some guys that seemed cool to hang out with but after a night of fun and frolic you woke up with a sore anus? Are you then just going to casually drive home saying "I really deserved it for trusting another human being"? Yeah, well there you go bitch.
If a boy goes to a cottage for a drunken feast with a bunch of boys he hardly knows and is subsequently gang-raped, he was asking for it.
Just as asinine, just as wrong.
Wow. Libertarians do love to snatch phrases out of context and pretend to be smart.
I actually said that the boys must obviously be punished for rape, but she shouldn't be portrayed as a fully innocent victim.
Also, the definition of guilt is all about psychological state.
John, more like when you go to a construction site without a safety helmet and are subsequently killed by a falling brick.
People are indeed talking animals. Especially when they are drunk, as they have little to no responsibility over theit actions. Also, moral tends to shift from person to person: one man's rape is another man's casual sex, one man's murder of unborn children is another man's free choice, et cetera.
If a girl goes to a drunken party in a frat house, she is showing questionable judgment, sure. However, she is not asking for it. If bad judgment absolved the perpetrator of a crime they committed, the prisons would be practically empty.
GigaGuess, depends on your definition of "asking for it". If you noticed (I hope so), I explicitly said that perpetrators must be fully punished for rape, as being drunk is not an extenuating circumstance in any way. I was mostly talking about publical portrayal of the case.
If I recall it correctly, the discussion was about evil males who rape millions of innocent virgins. Innocent virgins? How about no. Immediately changing the way of thinking of freakin' everybody to save women from rapes? Not an option. I was talking about safety measures. They are a necessity, not only in construction sites, but in human society as well, because it's extremely dangerous. If you were raped by a bunch of people you never met before but agreed to go to an isolated house to drink with them, that's not because feminism is not popular enough. That's because you a stupid bitch.
SpacemanSpiff, is your incredible stupidity and inadequacy directly linked to your liberalism? I think that there is a connection, as I observed numerous libertarians whose way of thinking can be called "logic" only very loosely.
"If a girl goes to a cottage for a drunken feast with a bunch of boys she hardly knows and is subsequently gang-raped, she was asking for it."
And, for raping a girl, if Aminatep is jailed and is raped in the prison toilets by Bubba & his friends, it's known as 'Cottaging'.
'Self Control'. Learn those words. They could save your life. Certainly your liberty, and thus your arsehole.
@Aminatep
I merely mirrored your use of the term. Any way you cut, slice or dice it, the moment you say "she asked for it," you lower the victim to a cheap whore, who just got surprise sex, and the assailants to "boys will be boys." So did you merely choose words poorly or is this just a clumsy backpedal?
@Pedantic Speaker
"Putting her hand in warm water?"
1- Find where Aminatep lives.
[/Spike Milligan, "Adolf Hitler: My Part In His Downfall"]
X3
(PROTIP: This does work with 8 out of 10 cases. My friend actually did this as a prank in college some years ago)
I don't think he was actually trying to justify rape, and 'just asking for it' was meant as a figure of speech, but she did put herself at risk.
Once i was a juror on a rape/murder trial. She did put herself at risk, but we all agreed even so that she didn't 'deserve' to be raped and murdered. We gave him life without any possibility of parole. He was damn lucky. If we legally could, we would have given him capital punishment.
She was pretty daft for doing that, but certainly not bloody "asking for it".
I am a man and even I wouldn't go to some secluded cabin in a jungle, boozing up with a group of complete strangers, especially if I knew that they all already knew each other.
If, on the other hand, I did do that, and got robbed, murdered and buried under the bushes, it doesn't mean I actually wanted that for myself. It just means I was careless and placed unreasonable trust in strangers.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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