What's under all that ice?
What's under all that ice on both poles?
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Yes, lets ignore the millions of pieces of evidence supporting evolutionary theory that are currently extant, lets ignore the total absence of any scientifically credible evidence supporting Creationism, and discard Evolution in favour of Creationism because of what MIGHT be under the ice.
Yes, there are vast collection of creatures beneath the ice that contradict a wide variety of theories that our feeble human minds have come to conclude about our reality. But we will not survive long enough to know how wrong we were, when the Elder Things and the Shoggoth are let loose to wreak havoc on our puny flooded sphere (/obligatory Lovecraft reference).
And by the above, I mean probably not. And by probably not, I mean that you are a moron grasping at straws in the most bizarre manner I have ever seen.
No.
Next stupid question!
"Could things be discovered there upon melting that may be problematic to the ToE?"
Let's say for arguments sake that there is. There may be some scientists who want to stick to the old evolutionary model, but most of them will take this new evidence and either refine the current theory, or create a new one that fits the facts.
That's what science does. It changes as new evidence comes along. This is much better than holding to a set of beliefs that are over 2000 years old and virtually unchanged, no matter what reality tells you.
Edit: Herm... italics and bold aren't working.
You mean under all that ice which, when it's layers are counted, proves beyond any doubt that the Earth is much older than 6,000 years?
New? Yes. Problematic? Possibly, if you mean "will require some relatively small modifications to the detail of the ToE. Problematic as in "will disprove ToE"? No.
The poles were not always frozen, so it is possible some new fossils will come to light if they are thoroughly explored. We'll have to wait and see.
What would we have to find under the poles to utterly destroy the ToE? Maybe if we found God himself, frozen solid in a block of ice. Then we thaw him out with a hairdryer and he says "Yes, I made the world look like it's millions of years old, deliberately gave you DNA similar to primates, and was in the act of hiding mammoth remains in this glacier when I was buried in an avalanche. How've my religions been doing?"
Anything less than that and I think you're out of luck Scarlet.
No, and no...
Under the North Pole for instance is lots and lots of sea water, and people have gone under it in submarine's many times...
When it melts it's going to be rather problematic for polar bears, not evolution.
North: Ocean.
EDIT: Also, I for one welcome our new Gigantic Rei overlady. There are worse ways to "die" (so to speak).
Dude, everybody knows Greenland is the seventh circle of hell. Inuits are the human faces of great bad guys who have been sent there.
The song stating "I'm the only gay eskimo" is a lie, they're ALL gay!
Prepare for Impact.
-Frank
The SECOND person that I've read claiming scientists are afraid of global warming because when the ice caps melt, they will find something that DISPROVES evolution.
Is there another planet I can live on? This is getting fucking scary.
You're absolutely right. Once the ice melts, we'll discover all of the four-legged insects, creatures of the bat/bird/insect kind, and other creatures that prove the Bible right. Shout glory!
What ice? The north pole ice has been melting lately during the summer, leaving nothing but open ocean.
Once again, the fundies are looking for that one magic bullet that will kill the ToE.
What's under all that ice? Water, and thousands of water dwelling creatures; probably many not even known to man.
When those discoveries are made, a lot of scientific theories will change. That's how science works. That's how theories work.
Any questions?
Well given that (as someone above has already stated) we have already found fossils in Antarctica and none of them contradict the Modern Synthesis, I think Scarlets stands as much chance of having her fundie masturbation fantasies confirmed as I do of being caught in flagrante delicto with Scarlett Johanssen and Keira Knightley on a king sized waterbed live by a CNN news crew, whilst situated on the bridge of an Independence Day flying saucer en route to Alpha Centauri.
And here I was thinking the only reason you gits were so keen on annihilating the planet was because you think skydaddy will make it all better when you do.
Now it turns out you want to condemn the human race to a horrible death just to win an argument that anyone with an ounce of sense can see you've already lost decades ago.
Evidence could be found that refute the ToE. That the ToE could be refuted by evidence places the ToE in the province of science rather than religion. That being said, I would be more than surprised if any refuting evidence were found given the enormous body of pre-existing evidence that fail to refute it.
But lets say under the antarctic ice we find fossils of dinosaurs with hominids in their stomachs? Or evidence that the world was really only 6,000 years old? This would require some heavy explanation*. The ToE may have to be abandoned or revised. This is how science works.
What could we ever find that would refute ID or its ugly older brother, creationism? Nothing. Evidence has no bearing on these ideas at all, which is why they are purely metaphysical.
"Could things be discovered there upon melting that may be problematic to the ToE?"
Could be: It is a falsifiable theory, after all.
However note that no matter what we discover, you will crow victory for the creationists. Heads you win, tails we lose, and you wonder why your ID "sciencyness" hasn't earned you respect in the scientific community...
>>What's under all that ice on both poles?<<
The Arctic Ocean and a bunch of rocks.
>>Could things be discovered there upon melting that may be problematic to the ToE?<<
Almost certainly not. We've looked down there already.
The USS Nautilus and USS Skate, followed by many other expeditions, have explored the Arctic Ocean floor. There's a whole ecosystem down there, populated by a bunch of creatures that no one had seen before. DNA sequencing shows that they share common ancestors with other forms of sea life, nicely in agreement with evolutionary theory.
Under Antarctica's ice cap, there is very little life. But there are some weird microbes in lakes under the ice - and they too are descended from common ancestors of other microbial species. And Shackleton died hauling rocks back to the coast from one of the few outcrops he'd encountered on his way to and from the pole. Those rocks hold fossilized leaves and dinosaur bones, nicely consistent with fossils in rocks of similar age elsewhere in the world.
Your Argument Is Invalid.
According to Indiana Jones an the Hollow Earth , underneath the North Pole is, you guessed it, the hollow earth, a non-Euclidean mindfuck where diety-men manipulate reality using a substance/energy known as Vril that is channeled to the North Pole by Earth's magnetism.
I think that that would be more problematic to science as a whole rather than the ToE, though.
But seriously, MYSTERIES OF THE ICE!? You people are getting desperate!
I mean, how ridiculous can you GET. Everyone knows what's under Antarctica already anyway:
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Like what? A plaque that reads "Planet Earth, Founded 4000 B.C."?
Even then I bet it would be a fake.
If we find evidence supporting ToE, will you finally agree that it is a fact and that it happens, or will you promptly toss this new evidence on top of the already existing mountain of evidence for ToE that your kind already ignores?
Technically, yes. Everything in science is a theory that’s one discovery away from being rejected.
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