Gays have every bit as much right to get married as you or I. And in fact, they should.
A homosexual man has an identical right to take a woman in holy matrimony as may any other man. Likewise, the rest of us have just as little right to take some guy and pronounce him a bride. This isn't a question of differing rights. Our rights remain in perfect symmetry. Homosexuals are now and always have been permitted to marry[...]
It doesn't matter how many moral lines are breached, the homosexual activists will keep agitating because it's not persecution they resist, but internal loathing projected outward. Social mores are merely a scapegoat. Tradition and virtue represent punching bags on which to relieve their rage. In truth, the Left wants not for gays to marry so much as to abolish the very concept of marriage.
Marriage is the foundation of coherent society and the conduit distilling our fallen natures into civilized community. Many studies reveal the correlation between marriage and everything from income generation, our children's academic achievement and lower crime rates. Undercutting the family exemplifies folly. The conventional family offers society its best chance to excel[...]
Rather than seek to undermine such a foundational institution necessary for healthy society, homosexuals ought to get married. Marriage would temper their urges and channel their desires into something beneficial for both them and society at large.
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I can't tell you the number of times I've heard this argument from idiots who think they're being clever.
Denying gays the right to marry someone of the same sex is unconstitutional. The Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution guarantees people will not be discriminated against. A woman has the right to marry a man, but, based solely on my gender, I do not have that same right. I cannot marry a man the way a woman can because the law is discriminating against me based on my gender.
"Many studies reveal the correlation between marriage and...lower crime rates." Because our crime rates have been lower in the age when gays had to hide in the closet? Look at the crime rates in the U.S. where people fight against gay rights to the crime rates in Western Europe where gays are allowed to openly marry. I think you'll find the crime rates are lower in Europe.
And if someone to tell Bill that he had the freedom to worship God under the name I choose for Him and conduct his daily routine in the fashion I have laid out regardless of his actual beliefs he'd have a few choice things to say about his rights, despite them being the same as anyone else given the freedom to worship.
If this is an American Thinker, the American Idiots must truly blow the mind.
A homosexual man has an identical right to take a woman in holy matrimony as may any other man.
Oh don't you think you're clever? Fine, then you have the equal right to belong to any religion you like so long as it's Islam.
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This is G.K. Chesterton, author, humorist and Christian apologist.
You, sir, are no G.K. Chesterton, and that is putting it mildly.
PART 1
"Gays have every bit as much right to get married as you or I. And in fact, they should."
Good! You're finally catching on!!
"A homosexual man has an identical right to take a woman in holy matrimony as may any other man."
Oh, fucking hell.
*HEADDESKHEADDESKHEADDESK*
"Likewise, the rest of us have just as little right to take some guy and pronounce him a bride. This isn't a question of differing rights. Our rights remain in perfect symmetry."
Um, no, they don't, because you, by virtue of being heterosexual, have the intrinsic right to marry someone whom you actually love, whereas gay people, by virtue of being homosexual, can't possibly have the right to do this if they are restricted to opposite-sex marriage.
Moron.
"Many studies reveal the correlation between marriage and everything from income generation, our children's academic achievement and lower crime rates."
Yeah, but notice it doesn't say "opposite-sex marriage", it just says "marriage". So if same-sex MARRIAGE is allowed, then gay/bi people will be allowed to enjoy those benefits.
"Undercutting the family exemplifies folly."
How does same-sex marriage undercut the family? Does it destroy "traditional" marriages? No. Does it negatively affect any kind of family in any way? No. So what's the problem here?
Same-sex marriage will actually help families, because it will give same-sex couples some of which are raising children the same legal/financial benefits as "traditional" families; that's better for the family as a whole.
"Marriage would temper their urges and channel their desires into something beneficial for both them and society at large."
Same-sex marriage would do that, yes. It would grant them status as legitimate couples, it would give them greater benefits which would help them raise healthier children, etc. Opposite-sex marriage would do nothing to "temper their urges", and it's debatable whether it would "channel their desires into something beneficial".
You are such a moron.
Western marriages are supposed to be due to love and affection, not just stability and protection like in the olden days.
We in the left want marriage to be inclusive, for everyone. And many of us are in stable heterosexual marriages, even though gays CAN marry over here.
American Bigot, more like it. Idiot!
Not the tired old, "gay men have the right to marry a woman" argument. What Bill doesn't seem to realize is that if gay marriage is legal, then he has the right to go marry a man, too. So more freedom for all.
But a gay person will never be happy in a marriage to someone of the opposite gender, and will just force them to live a lie while cheating on their spouse with someone of the same gender. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of gay men meeting for sex in public restrooms have a wife at home.
Ok fucktard, how about this. You now have the same right, just like to me, to freely worship the Invisible Pink Unicorn. What's that, you want the right to worship the god you want to worship. Tough shit, why do you think you get special rights just because you're Christian, you don't have that right.
The right to marry someone of the same gender would be extended to everybody, not just "the gays". However, it would likely only be gay people that would exercise it.
I think all too often, though, that the issue of same-gender marriage is inadvertently portrayed as being kind of a "gays only" thing (at least in the US), since gay groups seem to advocate for it the most - obviously - and get the most attention on the topic. This might be where the erroneous notion of gays as a group wanting "special rights" granted to them comes from. Nobody ever seems to take the time to point out what I said in the paragraph above this one.
@Passerby : This guy's presumptuous enough to assume he's an "American Thinker", but like those people who presume to be intellectual, or artistic, or poetic, he really only has an internet connection, opposed thumbs, and one hell of an ego. >_>
I guess I'm just dumb because I'm still waiting for swomeone to explain to me how allowing a small percentage of the population to engage in gay marriage constitutes "undercuting the family."
I seem to recall similar arguments about interracial marriage and how it was going to mongralize the races as well.
Then and now conservatives have their heads firmly up their asses.
Ignoring the anti-gay idiocy for a moment, I'm deeply offended that he thinks a woman is some kind of appliance, that won't mind being hitched to a man who doesn't have any interest in her. Of course, that is the biblical view- women are chattel, to be handed out to any guy who works 7 years in your fields.
Yeah, because a gay person getting into a straight marriage has never ended in disaster, heartache, and emotional trauma before... EVER. That's *totally* healthy and not horrible, horrible advice...
The only people who seem to want to destroy families are homophobes/Christians. They want to prevent gay people from having or being part of a family. If that's not family destruction, I don't know what is.
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread."
"Marriage would temper their urges and channel their desires into something beneficial for both them and society at large."
I don't know about you, but being legally wed to a woman wouldn't stop me from having sex with my significant other. ;)
I hate this argument. Getting married doesn't really work if you aren't attracted to the opposite sex, you douche.
If you don't care about gays/lesbians, then at least care about their potential spouses who would wind up in loveless marriages without sex (I'm sure you don't care about potential wives...after all, women don't like sex, right?) (or lesbians who might end up being raped).
Aaah yeah, the gays totally should get married to women!
Because no way does that lead to wasted lives and broken families when they finally admit it's not them and they are not happy and they go and settle with someone they WILL be happy with.
No way is that unfair to the women, but then again fundies don't and never did give two shits about women anyway.
So gay men just haven't met the right woman. Wow, I've never heard such a profound argument before. Clearly you have put a lot of thought in research into this issue before shooting off your mouth like an ignorant, pretentious dick-head!
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