“If God created the world knowing the future, then God created/determined the future. You could not choose any other than how God created/pre-determined/destined you to ‘choose’ from the creation—.By definition, without the real possibility of choosing one way or the other, there would be no freewill/free-choice in the matter.” Mark Russell
If I go to a LIVE football game, come home and then watch a replay on the TV, I know the future of the game but I don't determine the outcome. I hope that helps—here's a quick test for you to know your future: www.needGod.com
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Except, Mr Comfort, that in your analogy it would be more akin to watching the replay on TV first, and then going to the live match. A live match where you bought and trained all of the players on both teams, and acted as referee.
It is not, ah, a perfect metaphor.
No its more like this ray. You have the ability to watch every possible outcome of that football game - points scored, penalties made, this play vs that play, whether it goes to overtime - and you select the one you want to happen. Then it happens.
Another bullshit plug for another of Banana-brain's bullshit videos.
So Ray, how's the "Lying for Jesus" thing paying these days? How's the "Sell all you have, give to the poor, and follow me" going for you? What's that? You're making millions and you haven't sold anything or given anything to the poor? You're not following Jesus? Yeah, fuck the poor and fuck that bible shit, it's all just lies you tell everyone else so you can take their money. Can't get rich if you sell everything and give it all away, right?
It's more like you wrote the rules of football, chose the playing field and weather that day, selected players for each team, genetically designed them to create specific talents, designed and oversaw all their training, and determined the results of the coin flip, knowing in advance the exact consequences of each choice. Knowing the future is determining it when you have unlimited control over the past and present.
Except that God is controlling everything, and omniscient, so he knows everything that's ever going to happen in the future. For example, he knew that Ray Comfort would end up being a mindless idiot.
That analogy has nothing to do with the actual question.
Like usual, bananaman cannot give a straight answer.
You also didn't invent the sport, craft the rules, draft the players, assign teams, call the plays, throw the flags or even the ball, dumbass. Nor, for that matter, are you an all-knowing, all-powerful, omnipresent entity (you're barely anything -knowing). You claim that god did and is all of these things, respectively.
Will you ever make a remotely decent analogy in your life, Banana Man? Not even your all-knowing god could say for sure.
Except, in this scenario, it would be as if you built the stadium, set up the atmosphere, picked the teams, and made the rules of the game, all while knowing the outcome before doing that. In essence, you dealt with the om scientific part but not the omnipotent part. You never had any control over the game to begin with. God did. And created it anyway.
Ray, you've made an analogy of being a first person witness to an event then viewing a second-hand account.
If it has anything to do with time its this:
If I attend a football game, then see the replay, I know the outcome but cannot change it. Its in the past.
So what you've said about your god is this, he's an observer who in hindsight cannot change past events even if they do not follow his plan. Sounds really powerful there. Yeah.
He's basically plagiarizing C.S. Lewis (with a worse analogy, of course), but by Ray Comfort standards, this is pretty harmless. If it wasn't, you know, Ray Comfort, I'd question why it even belonged here.
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