"Where was God in the concentration camps? Scrawled on the walls were messages that read 'My God why have you forsaken me?' and 'If there is a God he will have to beg my forgiveness'. Messages of despair because quite clearly their prayers weren't answered." Pat Conway
A Jew who wrote, "My God, why have you forsaken me?" was merely quoting Psalm 22:1, which prophesied the Messiah's suffering on the cross, written 800 years BC.
A Jew who knew the Scriptures would also know that the promises of God's blessing upon His people were dependent upon their obedience to His Law. Many times God gave Israel into the hands of their enemies because if their sin.
God always answers the prayers of the humble. Sometimes He says "Yes." Sometimes He says "No." Sometimes He says, "Wait."
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"A Jew who knew the Scriptures would also know that the promises of God's blessing upon His people were dependent upon their obedience to His Law. Many times God gave Israel into the hands of their enemies because if their sin."
Ah, I get it! The concentration camp victim's weren't saved by god because you think they deserved that inhumane torture!
Ray, I always thought your ungodly stupidity just made you innocently insensitive. But now I realize you're just an outright evil arsehole. Go f*ck yourself!
Face it, Cumfart, if your god was even 10% as benevolent as you claim it is, it would have saved those people even if they weren't it's followers.
So either god doesn't exist, god is neutral instead of good, or god has more important things to do than micromanage our little backwater planet. Either way, god isn't the being described in your fairy tale book.
What great words of "comfort" from Ray! If only Anne Frank had accepted Jesus she would have . . . well she still would have died at Bergen-Belsen but she would have gone to Heaven. Instead, a loving and merciful God is punishing her forever in Hell for the crime of growing up in a Jewish family. The Nazis robbed six million human beings of their lives but Ray's God will double-down and rob them of their souls as well.
"God always answers the prayers of the humble. Sometimes He says "Yes." Sometimes He says "No." Sometimes He says, "Wait.""
So if anyone claims that their prayer didn't work, someone like RC can always say "Prayer does SO work! You either weren't *humble* enough or you didn't give it enough time to determine whether God said 'No' or 'Wait'!"
God always answers the prayers of the humble. Sometimes He says "Yes." Sometimes He says "No." Sometimes He says, "Wait."
Which is exactly the same response you get by praying to a jug of milk.
So of god says yes, no, or wait --- how is that distinguishable from no god at all, Ray? No, no, no that! Not the banana!
"Many times God gave Israel into the hands of their enemies..."
Yeah, he is an asshole like that.
"Sometimes He says 'Yes.' Sometimes He says 'No.' Sometimes He says, 'Wait.'"
And every time, he says "This is indistinguishable from random chance."
Sometimes he says "yes", sometimes "no". Sometimes he says "Reply hazy, try again."
Just like a magic 8-ball.
God always answers the prayers of the humble. Sometimes He says "Yes." Sometimes He says "No." Sometimes He says, "Wait."
So let's say I pray to win the lottery. There are 3 possible outcomes with this logic
1. Wins lottery of $10,000 - THANK YOU GOD!
2. Doesn't win lottery at all - Ok God, I understand you don't want me to win right now
3. Doesn't have money to buy a lottery ticket - But God, why won't you let me have just $2 to buy a ticket. Don't you want me to win?!
So does a fucking Magic 8 Ball, Ray. Nobody is impressed by your Fisher-Price god. Glad to finally have a precise indication of just how much of a fucking monster you are, though. Turns out that you and your god are, once again, indistinguishable.
"A Jew who knew the Scriptures would also know that the promises of God's blessing upon His people were dependent upon their obedience to His Law. Many times God gave Israel into the hands of their enemies because if their sin."
But of course. Those Jews, man, they disobey their laws all the time e.g. they just don't visit the Temple every year anymore. YHWH is patient, so he waited almost 1900 years before getting fed up with this insolence and unleashed one (1) serving of holocaust upon them. Is that about the crux of the argument?
The first Jews to be sent to the camps or annihilated were the ultra-Orthodox, with their obvious side lock, black clothing, hats and beards. Why did He ignore the very ones who were the most assiduous in their observance of His Law? If God sets such standards of obedience that even the most devout can't satisfy, then what good is His promises of blessing?
Sometimes He says "Yes." Sometimes He says "No." Sometimes He says, "Wait."
So how does that help?
Sometimes He says "Yes." Sometimes He says "No." Sometimes He says, "Wait."
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(edit- Don beat me to it. Serves me right for not reading the comments first)
Ray Cumfart uses the Holocaust to try and get people to obey "God's Laws" by saying that if you fail to live up to God's standards then you deserve genocide.
Someone needs to go and burn in his own Hell.
So it's their fault for being killed en masse? I'd assumed that they were killed because the leader of Germany was a racist prick.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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