[On Asian languages]
They spend most of their time trying to learn what all those funny ideograms mean:
That is why oriental students spend so much time in school. They have an awkward, primitive language and writing that takes a long time to learn. And guess what a Chinese woman told me? Even most Chinese don't write chinese well, and she has a hard time understanding what some chinese have written.
Orientals have less cerebral development in verbal skills. They don't do as well as Whites in science either, despite all the hype of how smart they are. White children score higher on science tests than do oriental children.
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Do you know that the english had to take innumerable words from the french of their Norman conquerors because their language was so sadly deficient?
'Course, french itself is merely a crude copy of the latin tongue...
And so forth.
Did anybody tell you that their writting system is more than 1000 years older than ours?, and that our system appeared only around the first millenium BC, and that before that, we were either illiterate or using a similar writting system?. Of course, you never took a course on linguistics, otherwise you would understand what the term loanword means, which is picking up a term from another language, not the whole language, which is what the Japanese do(and they're technologically more advance than most White western societies).
And I assume you've been to Japanese laboratories to back this up?
Didn't think so.
Oh, FYI, the Japanese were on YOUR side you dumb fuck. You're illustrious leader Hitler declared that they were Aryan.
I happen to think the written and spoken Asiatic languages are very beautiful, especially Japanese. While their calligraphy is a major pain to write, it's very pleasing to look at.
In my opinion, leucocyte is the equivalent of the bratty dunce in the classroom who spreads nasty rumors about the class valedictorian out of jealousy and spite.
leucocyte's rant in a nutshell: I can't understand that "yellow" foreign language at all, my brain hurts! Therefore, it's stupid and inferior.
Do you realize that some oriental nations are more technically advanced than most other modern societies in a vast number of areas? Where does that leave you in the area of cerebral development?
Wouldn't it technically take a more intelligent person to live with a more difficult language? Pointing out that many orientals are bilingual does not help your case against their intelligence.
This logic fails me.
Shit the Chinese invented before White people:
I'm not saying the Chinese are better or Europeans are better, but they sure as hell are better then you.
Winston Jen
"The second paragraph actually raises some valid points. Language should be primarily for communication. In that sense, the Chinese language fails miserably. You could learn three European languages in the time it would take to become fluent in Chinese."
The Chinese language didn't fail anything. Remember that the English language is a mash up of many other (early or even later) European languages so many of us would have found it easy to learn a language that is European. I personally found that learning Italian suited me well but my parents who their first language is Viet have told me that learning Chinese is a lot quicker and easier in terms of learning a new language or even just basic communication (there is a debate about this in my family however as you see later on.)
This guy is saying that Asians as a whole... and 1 of the stupid things about this post in terms of the "Asian languages" is that while there are languages that use strokes and lines as their form of communicating (Chinese, Japanese etc...) there are many "Asian" languages that use similar forms of the modern English alphabet... The Modern Vietnamese is mostly based on the FRENCH LANGUAGE!!!...
The Chinese language fails because students choose to be molested rather than learn Chinese. ;)
The Chinese language fails as a form of "written" communication (I use that term loosely) because it takes so long to become fluent in.
Admittedly, I get the feeling that the Chinese are the only ones who still use strictly hanzi for writing. Of the three peoples I know of who adopted hanzi at some point, one (Japan) began using kana as well and as a periodic replacement, and the other two (Korea and Vietnam) ultimately relinquished them outright (one of my Vietnamese coworkers commented that she was NOT interested in having to memorize several hundred hanzi, when she could just use the adopted/adapted French script). I remember that Sejong realized that the small army of hanzi would be overmuch for the average farmer to learn, especially since the Korean and Chinese languages weren't closely related (crimping how well hanzi could fit Korean grammar, I guess); hence, the adaptation and transmutation of Mongolian script into hangul.
Keep in mind, by the way, that hangul tends to be praised the world over for its logical nature (each block indicates a single syllable, and each component of the block is modeled for the shape the lips and tongue take for its component sound). Still think Asians are linguistic dunces?
I don't anticipate the Chinese relinquishing hanzi for something like kana or hangul (too much cultural capital, and hanzi actually DID form in consonance with their spoken tongue), but they must be doing SOMETHING right if they can avoid confusion...
Winston Jen: I speak Chinese fluently (because I'm a goddamn chinese). Just because you can't learn Chinese well (which is, admittedly, a horribly difficult language to learn), doesn't give you the right to say it fails.
In my experience, the english language tends to be very crude. Expressions and meanings that can be expressed beautifully within 4 chinese characters have to be translated poorly into a longass sentence in English.
As for leucocyte,
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(Winston Jen: I speak Chinese fluently (because I'm a goddamn chinese). Just because you can't learn Chinese well (which is, admittedly, a horribly difficult language to learn), doesn't give you the right to say it fails.)
So you think it's a good idea to use pictures instead of Pinyin? You can learn three European languages instead of Chinese in the same time period!
(In my experience, the english language tends to be very crude. Expressions and meanings that can be expressed beautifully within 4 chinese characters have to be translated poorly into a longass sentence in English.)
Too bad Chinese takes much longer to read than English. Not to mention all those suicidal brain cells that result from learning Chinese.
I studied Mandarin Chinese for 3 years, and I could carry on a simple conversation within a few months, and I was never in a immersion program. Yes, there are a lot of homonyms, but in everyday speech you know what's meant by the context. Yes, it sometimes helps to draw a character in the air. You know what rocks about Chinese? You don't have to conjugate verbs, worry about the gender of nouns, or deal with a lot of other grammatical nightmares. The characters have 'roots,' so you can often recognize the sense of a word before you look it up.
@Winston Jen
I've been studying French for six years. I can barely speak it and my writing and reading is nothing without a dictionary.
However, two summers in China and my Chinese has become functional again.
Everything I said in that post is what I have learned by reading articles and books written by people who have lived in Japan, and in China.
As to who invented what, that is a matter of great debate, even for relatively modern things. The more ancient an invention was, the more doubtful the inventor. As to when certain things developed, that is a matter of chronology, which is also highly debateable.
Fomenko, the Russian mathmetician, says that the ideogram writting of China was invented by Jesuit monks. Who also made up an ancient history for China.
Omae wa utoi da yo.
(You're ignorant.)
Modern English spelling is so far detached from its pronunciation that it is essentially almost ideographic. The fact that spelling bees exist should tell you this. For example, nobody in their right mind would look at the suffix "-tion" and think it was pronounced "-shun" unless they spoke English, and "-ough" has at least nine separate pronunciations, none of them even phonetically close to that combination of letters. Hell, English orthography encodes about as much phonetic information as Hanzi does in Mandarin (which nowadays does encode some minimal phonetic information due to centuries of "spelling" new and compound words using the logograms of words with similar pronunciations).
TL;DR: you're dumb and ignorant as fucknot that I'd expect any better from a racist jackass.
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