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Steve Sailer #fundie unz.com

Snowpiercer is a sci-fi allegory directed by Joon-ho Bong in English with a mostly American cast.

Chris Evans of Captain America plays a rebel who looks just like Christian Bale, who fights his way to meeting the Dictator of the World, who is played by a very American actor. (I saw it without knowing who he would be, so I won’t mention his name here.)

A couple of South Korean performers steal the show, however, as a father-daughter pair of genius drug addicts.

Bong’s 2006 movie The Host holds the South Korean record for most tickets sold and this one set a national record for biggest opening weekend.

Set in 2031, 17 years after an attempt to arrest global warming has caused the Ultimate Ice Age, the only survivors are the passengers on board a train powered by a perpetual motion engine that allows it to roar around the snowy world nonstop.

Why does the train zoom endlessly around the frozen world instead of going some place well-insulated and staying there?

Perhaps for reasons of cinematic influence: Snowpiercer is reminiscent of another foreign-directed American movie star film about a train in a cold climate, 1985's R unaway Train, directed by Andrei Konchalovsky with Jon Voight and Eric Roberts earning Oscar nominations playing tough guys. And it recalls Wong Kar-Wai’s gorgeous sci-fi erotic daydream about a round-the-world train, 2046.

But most sci-fi movies are about doing things that, while difficult, sound, prima facie, like fun: fly like Superman, travel through time, visit planets around other stars, etc. Then the spoilsports explain why you can’t do that, but you willingly suspend disbelief because it would be cool to have a laser gun or whatever. In contrast, traveling nonstop around a dead world on a train forever is both impossible and seems like a pointless ordeal, so the movie hasn’t been very appealing outside of South Korea.

The movie starts out among the poor in the ultra-crowded last carriages, where everybody dresses like the slightly grotesque nice people in Road Warrior. Evans leads the impoverished rebels into the first class carriages run by the dictator’s emissary Tilda Swinton. These appear to have been borrowed from Brazil: somebody should add up how much influence Evelyn Waugh has had on science fiction.

A remarkable fraction of big budget movies these days are obsessed with themes of either Malthusianism, Darwinism, or eugenics, or all three. In Snowpiercer, the Dictator of the World apologizes at the end that he hasn’t had time for eugenics yet, so I guessed most of the Big Reveal at the end about an hour beforehand.

Then there’s a second surprise ending that I didn’t guess, but only because this one is pretty stupid. In the end, two individuals from races at the different ends of Rushton’s continuum go off to start a new human race presumably cleansed of racial division.

Is it a good movie? Snowpiercer has some cool elements, but the lack of even an attempt to justify rationally why it takes place on a train puts a lot of stress on the style to make up for the lack of sense, and it doesn’t quite have enough visual chops to pull that off. A movie entirely about moving from the caboose to the locomotive will be by nature linear and segmented, kind of like a submarine movie. That’s a challenge that sometimes inspires directors, but not quite enough in Bong’s case.

P.S., I think I figured out why this going around the world on a train movie was a giant hit in South Korea but not, so far, in the rest of the world: South Korea is a three-sided peninsula and the fourth side is mined.

In other words, you can’t go very far on any train that starts in South Korea. You can’t even get to North Korea, and that breaks the hearts of Koreans. The rail system is claustrophobic, so traveling around the world on a train sounds cool.

Lance Welton #sexist unz.com

Since the beginning of the “Me, too!” movement, “patriarchy”—and the very idea that females prefer to be feminine—is under attack as never before. The Swedish capital Stockholm has banned ads that portray female stereotypes [Stockholm bans “sexist” and “degrading” adverts from public spaces, By Sara Malm, Daily Mail, 13 June 2018]. An Austrian museum about James Bond will cut out “sexist” aspects of the movie series about the Alpha male and his assorted scantily-dressed Bond girls [Not Licensed to Offend, By Tim Walker, Guardian, June 11, 2018]. On Father’s Day, fathers were supposed to receive “feminist” gifts, to undermine the patriarchal undertones of the celebration [9 Feminist Father’s Day 2017 Gifts For The Dad Who Believes In Equality, By Lindsay Mack, Romper, 7 June 2017, ].

But if a theory recently presented by two female researchers from Britain is correct, then patriarchy only evolved because of the male need to give women what they wanted, females are literally evolved to like and accept the patriarchal system, and, by implication, we’d have no civilization if it hadn’t developed.

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Grant and Montrose argued that patriarchy is, therefore, entirely understandable in evolutionary terms. In China, women’s feet were bound so they couldn’t run away and have affairs. In the Islamic world, women are concealed in public so that no potential cuckolder can be attracted to them. Religions render these traditions—as well as general obedience to the male will—as the desire of the gods, making it even more likely to be obeyed.

And females who fail to obey risk severe punishment, including simply being killed to restore the families’ honour. There are, the authors report, about 300 honour killings in Pakistan annually, with sentences being very lenient compared to those for other murders. In the Middle East, women are killed for actual or alleged adultery, for refusing arranged marriage, for not being virgins when they get married and for being raped, as this implies that they were not being chaperoned by a male relative as mandated. Most societies give daughters far less freedom than sons. Not only are daughters worth more—in the sense that their child will definitely be your grandchild—but we’ve been selected to control them.

The fascinating result of this, argue the authors, is that females are literally evolutionarily selected to accept patriarchy. Those who refuse to have their feet bound, or be circumcised so they can’t enjoy sex, will not be able to get married and so won’t pass on their genes. Such refusal to obey the rules also elevates the likelihood that they’ll be ostracised—in societies where laws make it very hard to be an independent female—or directly killed. Grant and Montrose argue that abortion is particularly problematic in patriarchal societies because it allows women far too much control over themselves.

What this system means is that males—trusting that their investment in the female and her offspring will be worth it—can afford to be less violent, less jealous and more cooperative. They will invest more of their energy in looking after their children, making these children less short-term oriented, able to create stronger social bonds, and likely to be more cooperative.

And so a civilization will duly be able to develop.

This is a compelling theory and the authors also present some clear ways that future researchers can test it: Cuckoldry rates should be lower, and fertility higher, in more patriarchal societies and fundamentalist sub-cultures; the more fundamentalist and patriarchal a society the faster growing its population will be, as women will have no control over their bodies and no option but motherhood; and patriarchy will be stronger in polygamous systems, like Islam, because there will be more women for a husband to control.

Anecdotally, at least, this all these seems to be the case.

So, reducing these findings down to their basics, patriarchy is a result of the evolved psychology and physiology of females. Its development has, in turn, pushed females, for biological reasons, towards being more accepting of patriarchy.

Could it be that the rise in “feminism” is not just due to the collapse of patriarchy but, more profoundly, due to weakened Darwinian selection, due to the less harsh life created by the Industrial Revolution? (See Social Epistasis Amplifies the Fitness Costs of Deleterious Mutations, Engendering Rapid Fitness Decline Among Modernized Populations, By Michael Woodley of Menie et al., Evolutionary Psychological Science, June 2017).

This would mean more “mutant genes” not being removed through high child mortality or spinsterhood for “undesirable” women, such as those which might make people challenge patriarchy?

The authors insist “It’s a Man’s World” but it only became that way due to the power women have over men to force them to bend to their evolved desires for investment and status, as evidence of the ability to invest in resources in their children.

“It’s a Man’s World”—and it’s Women’s Fault?

Bill P #sexist unz.com

Ms. Jeong’s behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

Men who don’t behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call “shit tests,” which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don’t dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband’s feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn’t detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong’s outbursts “through the lens” of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

Jus Sayin #fundie unz.com

I saw the movie last night. It was idiotic and annoying but the visuals are gorgeous. The local movie critic loved it, of course, because overtly it’s completely anti-white and pro-underclass; an extended, Marxist “five-minute hate. It’s hard to capture the blunt crudity of the movie on these issues.

Far more interesting to me were the multiple levels on which the movie plays out: A jaded, disingenuous synopsis of the first level might be: Crazed global-warming fanatics create a permanent ice age that desolates the planet. A brilliant, white, European, scientist-entrepeneur devises an advanced technology to save a small remnant of humanity. He is charitable enough to save some prole scum and non-Europeans, even though they contribute almost nothing to this survival system. This salvaged lumpen-proletariat eventually revolts against their limited share in the rewards provided to more productive persons. The result is a bloody apocylapse that destroys all humanity except two lumpen proles who will soon be eaten by a polar bear because they have zero Darwinian fitness.

The second level plays out as a mindless, racist scream of hatred against the white race, engineers, entrepeneurs, and ecenomically productive persons in general. The script writers’ and director’s intent seems to be to diminish the humanity of all these persons compared to the underclass in economically developed countries and non-whites everywhere. As an example, the brutal massacre by axe, knife, and club of a classroom of young white children and their pregnant, young school teacher is played for laughs (even more effectively than the machine gunning of a fat woman during the “five-minute hate” in Orwell’s 1984).

On the third level, although it appears unintentional in this case, something happens reminiscent of what Steve Sailer has noticed in another recent movie, Elysium. The white-baiting message that seems to be the primary intent of the movie’s makers is overwhelmed by the overt message of the first level (see paragraph two above) and the grotesque nastiness of the second level, e.g., the school room massacre.

I saw this movie at the Coolidge Corner Theater in Brookline, Massachusetts. The audience was composed of the usual, mostly white and Asian, ultra-progressive crowd of local college students, aging hippies, and new class progressives that tends to frequent this theater, salted with a large dose of sci-fi lovers. The audience reaction was very subdued and most left the theater with rather thoughtful miens. My distinct impression was that recent events on our border, instigated by our current third-world leadership, may have made this particular crowd aware that white self-hatred is not a good long-term strategy for preserving one’s current standard of living, freedom, and survivability.

Anonymous #racist unz.com

“I find that only extremely insecure caucasians cling to this utterly asinine canard[East Asians uncreative conformists], in the face of such a plethora of evidence to the contrary.”

I think there something in it, without wanting to go too far.

After all here we are talking about it on the internet (invented by who?) on using computers (invented by who) regarding a movie (film invented by who) set on a train (invented by who) . And we’re doing it in English which may well have had a little white input somewhere in its development. Still, you Asian guys feel free to chip in at any point because rehashing assorted movie tropes do top all that of course.

Priss Factor #racist unz.com

(About the movie Snowpiercer)

This having been made by a Korean, shouldn’t the train have crashed, with the captain telling everyone to stay put while and he and the crew make it out to safety?

Bill P #sexist unz.com

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A college degree is the new dowry. I work with a lot of high-income blue collar guys (Todd Palin types), and the gender pay gap in this social class is enormous. While the men, given enough seniority and the willingness to put in the hours, can easily make six figures a year, the women don’t even come close unless they run successful businesses (some do but it’s rare). You’d think that might induce women to stick around, but due to family law it has the opposite effect.

Say you’re a 27-year-old woman who doesn’t have a college degree and your likewise non-degreed husband is a firefighter. Or he could be a railroader, a mariner, heavy equipment operator, cop, etc. The husband is raking in the dough by the time he’s in his thirties, and you’ve got a couple kids with him. You could get a job in an office making $12/hr, but why bother? Your husband is making significantly more than most guys with 4-year degrees, so there’s no point.

This builds up an enormous inequality in income vs. assets due to “community property” laws. What this does is incentivize the seizure of these assets on the part of the partner with less income. Without working a day, you can get a house, half of retirement savings, and enough monthly maintenance and child support to avoid working for years. It’s a very attractive prospect for a lot of young women, who resent being tied down to one man. It’s really like winning the lottery, as the overall payout frequently runs into the mid six figures.

For the degreed woman, on the other hand, there’s the expectation that she’ll be working too, especially because she has good income potential. Therefore there’s far less incentive to make a break for it, because the assets and debts/mortgages – and even child custody – will be split more or less equally because she has a job and an income. In other words, she doesn’t “win” anything. Her victory is as likely as not to be pyrrhic.

This is the true value of a college education for girls in the upper middle class. It essentially makes them marriageable (i.e safe bets) to men who have good income and employment potential. It provides some insurance that she will not fly the coop while the man is still rising in his career, because she knows she stands little to gain from doing so.

It’s all about incentives.

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The salient aspect of divorce law is that it is empirically overwhelmingly true that divorced women are much, much more likely to see their economic well being fall than men until they remarry, because divorce moves the spouses closer to not equally sharing resources, because women on average earn less than men, and because two households are more expensive than one.

But, on the other hand, the best predictor of divorce is that the wife earns more than the husband and is not financially dependent upon him. From a modeling perspective, the closest match to reality is to view divorce as a decision made almost entirely by wives.

So this suggests that women act against their own and their children’s interests at alarmingly high rates when empowered to do so. Who would have thought?

Bill P #sexist unz.com

Yeah, young whites are already getting out of cities and forming their own communities. Gentrification is too expensive for them, especially if they want to have kids.

Some of them are starting or trying to start intentional communities, and coming up with all sorts of complicated schemes to try to ensure they live with like-minded people.

Personally, I think a lot of them are naive and highly unlikely to succeed, but I sympathize.

The real key to successful communities is not the communes the idealistic ones tend to envision, but rather old fashioned fraternally organized, faith-based communities, AKA patriarchy.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

Once it’s gone, what you call “uniformity” is gone forever. And who could call Korea “uniform” except for someone who has contempt for all distinct cultures? Neither the religion, the people, nor the intellectual heritage of Korea is uniform. But it is “Korean, ” and that still means something.

Would you prefer it’s replaced with some “hodgepodge” as Obama recently called the US? Multiculturalism is drab and ugly in practice. I prefer to see different things in different places, and not just geographical features and plants. The idea of a world in which everyone is some indiscriminate shade and character is a nightmare. I have no idea why some people revel in that. Is it hatred, envy or a twisted aesthetic? I can’t tell.

Bill P #sexist unz.com

Actually, no, I don’t think so. Not so many lesbos row, because it’s an exclusive sport that requires very high physical and psychological “wholesomeness” (genetic fitness in fact). I couldn’t stick with it myself because I don’t have the temperament. However, I will say that during that brief period of my life in which I lived with that extreme discipline I was healthier and got more done every day than I ever had before or since. But honestly it held no appeal aside from the feeling of being in extremely good shape. As someone who had played a lot of skill sports, I felt a certain degree of contempt for the discipline. In retrospect, that explains a lot about my life and personality.

Rowers are among the most stable and “solid” athletes of all, and have an amazing ability to sacrifice for the greater good without complaining (you know what I mean if you’ve ever finished a 2,000 meter race at full throttle — you feel like you’re about to expire toward the end). And what do they get for their effort? A ribbon or medal and the feeling of having been part of a team effort, and little else, and that’s enough for them. None of those hunter/killer rewards you get from striking someone out, putting a ball in the net, slamming a dunk or laying out some chump with a well-placed hit.

Lesbians generally don’t have that psychology. The women I’ve known who were elite rowers were like goddesses in their feminine physicality, and on top of it they were well-behaved and had a naturally holistic, communal and sacrificial attitude. Definitely not lesbian-like.

The only problem with female rowers is that they often end up somewhat beefier than most women, but that’s a relatively minor flaw all things considered. Doesn’t bother me so long as it’s in the right places.

Lesbians tend to excel in sports where the competition is personal and individual. Unlike normal women, lesbians thrill to the kill. And unlike men, they are deceptive by nature. Not a good combination.

Bill P #sexist unz.com

There’s no real comparison here. Chinese imperial tests were usually heavily biased culturally to an extent the old SAT never was. There was also affirmative action dating from at least the Yuan dynasty, and not long after that neoconfucianism held a stranglehold on Chinese higher education. In fact, for much of the history of the imperial exams the reality was more like what we have today in the US, where people passed based on their ideological orthodoxy.

I’d bet that Chinese rebels had a far more legitimate grievance than your typical contemporary American gynobot academic placeholder. And anyway, who would care if these upper middle class womyn raised a ruckus? It wouldn’t be the Taiping Rebellion or anything close to it.

Bill P #sexist unz.com

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Yes it does. One of the most important factors in resisting a concussion is muscular strength. Same with preventing injury in all sorts of other situations. Of course, there’s a tradeoff with higher mass, because heavier people fall harder and so on, but all else being equal strength absolutely does contribute to durability.

As an example, a young woman in Seattle was recently struck in the head and knocked out cold — by an egg!

I’ve been hit in the face with a line drive, kicked in the head, punched on the skull or in the face a number of times and the only thing that knocked me out was smashing my head into and breaking a car’s windshield in an accident that probably would have killed me if I’d been a woman. For the record, I was pretty strong when these things happened, but not out of the ordinary for a young, physically active guy trained in sports.

Women are much, much weaker than men. If you hit a normal man and a normal woman with equal force, it’s going to hurt the woman a lot more — this is something everyone should know by at least the age of twelve. I refused to play sports with girls past a certain age, because there was just no contest at all, and if I played as I would with a man they’d end up in the hospital.

Another thing that is too often left out of this debate is that men are not just stronger than women, but better in virtually every single measure of physical ability. So if there’s a woman who’s a freak of nature and able to outlift 90% of men, chances are that when compared to other men at her strength level she’ll be lacking in other measures of fitness such as speed, endurance, heat tolerance, agility, etc. When you consider the statistical likelihood of a woman being as good as an elite man at every single one of these measures the idea of a woman being a Navy Seal becomes laughable. I doubt there is one single woman on earth who could perform at the level of the average US elite special forces soldier in all his tasks. And no, trannies don’t count.

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What a load of bullshit. My uncle’s a former top gun Navy F-14 pilot, and he was highly skeptical of women flying fighter planes from the beginning, so he opposed the clearance of the first female F-14 pilot to fly. His and other pilots’ objections were ignored, and she promptly crashed her plane into the side of an aircraft carrier, killing herself and the rio and destroying millions of dollars of equipment if I recall correctly.

Men don’t have “twisted emotions bouncing around inside [their] heads” — it’s just that they don’t want to have to go to war alongside people who do.

JSM #sexist unz.com

Gents, let me explain something to you. In 1974, Congress passed and Gerald Ford signed “Equal Credit Opportunity Act.” Supposedly to “stop discriminating against women in getting credit.” “How terrible that a married woman can’t have credit in her own name” blah blah blah. Prior to ECOA, to qualify a married couple for a mortgage, a bank could only consider the husband’s income, because it’s common sense that, even if the wife is working now, when the kids show up, she’ll be a stay at home mom, so we can’t write loans for 30 years for income that won’t continue that long.

So, when Congress (more men than women, you’ll note) in its infinite wisdom of bowing to feminist pressures, decided to make it so that the wife’s income could be considered under ECOA, that very act is what has utterly destroyed the American family.

As my dad (a home builder) pointed out at the time, all this will do is drive up housing prices. Because, since a couple CAN borrow more now, the sellers will demand more money. And, as we see, that’s EXACTLY what’s happened. Such that, nowadays a family can NOT buy a house in most cases unless the wife works too to pay the mortgage.

But, a full time job and full time motherhood are just incompatible. It’s just too hard. And since houses in neighborhoods with “good schools” (i.e., safe, i.e., White) cost so much that the wife has to work to make the payment and since motherhood and full time work are too hard to do at the same time, American women either don’t have kids (cuz they’re NOT gonna put em in bad, i.e., minority, schools) or have to leave kids in daycare, where godknowswhat will happen to them.

So, decry the feminists, by all means. But let’s heap the requisite share of opprobrium upon the MEN in Congress (only 16 of the 535 members of Congress were women in the 93rd Congress) who are, in actual FACT, the ones responsible for the single most destructive act against Affordable Family Formation that’s ever occurred.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

Those are fighting words. The Latin Americans already have citizenship in another country. Most Trump voters do not.

As for this sudden sympathy for families being broken up by courts, geez, I think the democrats should shut up before people start pointing out that they do it to American people all the time. Including totally innocent people who haven’t even been accused of a crime.

Steve Sailer #fundie unz.com

Oh, yeah, around 1965 a bright young fifth grader named Steve Jobs informed his adoptive parents that he was sick of getting bullied by lowbrow nonwhites at his public school and they must move to a better school district. They scraped together every penny they had and bought a house in Cupertino. There Steve Jobs had a classmate name Wozniak, who had an older brother named Steve Wozniak.

What did Wozniak and Jobs ever do for anybody (other than more or less invent the personal computer)?

Is the world better off with more Detroits where girls outscore boys in math or with more Cupertinos where the Wozniaks and Jobs outscore the girls in math?

Steve Sailer #fundie unz.com

One reason there are such a microscopic number of blacks at Stuyvesant is because the handful who could ace the test are more likely to accept a $40k per year scholarship to bring diversity to elite private schools like Dalton. You’d be crazy to send your kid to Stuyvesant to hang out with and compete against Asian immigrant grinds if, for the same price, your child could be the Cool Black Friend of the scions of America’s ruling class at a Manhattan prep school that rich white families are desperate to get into.

Bill P #sexist unz.com

Lucky you. I have attraction to adventurous, mercurial types. I have paid dearly for that, but it’s been quite a ride.

I wish I preferred level-headed nice girls, but they bore me, and I don’t treat them as well as I ought to.

But ultimately I think good fatherhood, i.e. benevolent patriarchy, is more important to children’s development than whether or not their mothers are supermoms, which most women are not.

By working to destroy patriarchy, feminists have done more harm to children than anyone else in our society (both meanings of that sentence are true). If people don’t believe me when I say that, I tell them to look up the sexual assault stats for daughters of single moms vs. daughters who live with their bio dads. The figures are very instructive. People who know them should be outraged by feminists and the judges who indulge them.

There are of course scores of other measures that prove my point, but the above may be the most salient to women who might otherwise agree with witches like the lesbian who wrote the WaPo screed (and who actually have a conscience).

Bill P #sexist unz.com

Women can play all they want in the life sciences and humanities, but there has to a male-only space in these disciplines.

It may be the case that women on the balance have higher verbal skills (although the SAT seems to suggest otherwise), but that doesn’t matter given their deficiencies in other areas, especially objectivity.

There are lots of smart women out there, but they’re often the biggest offenders in academia, and lots of other areas, too. A woman’s higher IQ just makes her a more formidable opponent of reason, which is an enormous drain on one’s time and mental health.

As sympathetic as I am (at times) to bright women, I actually grew up with them and live with them to this day, and it is no bed of roses let me tell you. Sometimes, guys just need a break to think about things. This is how material progress occurs. Without male-only spaces this will not happen.

Women can rail against “the patriarchy” all they want, but its existence only proves that men need safe spaces, too. The destruction of these male organizations and societies goes a long way to explain the precipitous decline in civil society and male achievement.

Charles Murray should explore this angle, but he prefers to pile onto hard-pressed men and praise the great achievements of the women who live in the mediocre, non-productive communities they create and prefer when given the whip hand over the local men.

Peter Frost #racist unz.com

To some degree, sedentary Amerindians were already "pre-adapted" by their earlier heritage as hunter-gatherers in temperate/sub-Arctic environments (which require planning over a yearly cycle).

It may be significant that the pace of cultural change seems to have been faster in eastern North America than in Mesoamerica, and faster still at the northern end (i.e., among the Iroquois). It looks as if advanced sedentary societies tend to arise at lower latitudes but are then overtaken by faster developing societies at higher latitudes.

This may tie in with the correlation between cranial capacity and latitude, even among Amerindians. Northern hunter-gatherers tend to evolve the highest cranial capacities because hunting distances are longer and require greater storage of spatiotemporal information. When these same hunter-gatherers become sedentary and agricultural, they have more potential for further cultural evolution.

Thomm #fundie unz.com

Note that there are far more women freebie seekers than man, and that the men are the ones who, for the most part, look like actual Native Americans.

But the fact that white women flock to this type of identity is partly due to the low quality of bottom 20% white men (the WN losers). They are the ones who drive white women into non-white identities.

Bill P #racist unz.com

A large proportion of what you hear from the left these days would indeed be considered inciting racial hatred if you applied their own standards in an objective way. I can’t even listen to NPR anymore without the feeling that many of the hosts would be happy to have me genocided.

Ultimately, I think that’s what’s going to happen: some group of whites is going to be slaughtered somewhere. Probably in South Africa or some similar area.

Bill P #racist unz.com

Who does Rothman think is going to do the “wet work” for him this time? At least the Bolsheviks had impressive numbers of Balts, Caucasians and various other tough, smart white ethnics on their side.

What do their equivalents in the US have? Mexicans and blacks? Private school antifa white kids whose fathers would sacrifice a testicle to keep out of harm’s way?

Maybe this explains Masha Gessen’s love of Chechens. But there must be another explanation for her support for bringing in the world’s most murderous white people, right?

These types are why we need to provide both moral and material support to Jews like this guy. [Link to Wikipedia article on Ze'ev Jabotinsky]

Bill P #fundie unz.com

I support the Mexicans. I got gentrified out of my blue urban neighborhood for knocking up my wife before 30, which you just do not do in Seattle these days. Most of the mothers were older than I was at the local kids’ park, and you should have seen the fathers — they all looked like grandpas.

This rentier urban economy has to stop somewhere. If the hipster SJWs are the ones who have to pay for it, all the better. Let them taste what I had to deal with when I was a little kid dodging rocks and hostile dogs as a little white boy in a crappy urban neighborhood. Maybe they’ll experience a belated awakening.

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In Seattle, Mexicans have little to nothing to do with it. Jeff Bezos and his minions, OTOH—

So yes, I would fully support Mexicans protesting against Bezos’s pod people. I’d even chip in for signs and tiki torches.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

[Bill Price at his peak "spiritual but not religious"]

As an aside, it gives me some ambivalent feelings about the decline of Christianity in the US. On the one hand, I’m worried about the accompanying shattering of communal norms, but on the other maybe we’ll be free to be ourselves again. But if you think about it, being ourselves might not be such a bowl of cherries if you take the past into account.

Either way, it’s a pleasure to have the historical perspective you offer here. If I could add anything, perhaps in the broader picture sometimes we lose sight of the ancient things hidden in our little communities and families. There’s still witchcraft, magic and the warp and weft of fate pulling us this way and that, and sometimes it seems that all the world is a winter night with only the hearth to illuminate the darkness. Maybe that’s how the Greeks felt as they kept the flame alive at Delphi.

In my mind, at least, it’s a metaphor for the embers of the faith in life itself that characterizes womankind. But you’re right: only a fool would believe it could be absent in a surviving people.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

Being able to not worry about surveillance is a privilege (really a status marker) of sorts, so those who are “paranoid” are signaling lower status. But often they have good reason to be paranoid. Not only – or primarily – because of law enforcement, but also because of the taxman and other assorted busybodies.

There’s a town in the next county inhabited largely by tarheels, who arrived during the Depression for the timber jobs, and they’re notoriously averse to outside attention. I was driving through the backwoods around there a couple weeks ago taking in the beautiful scenery, which in addition to the peaks and glaciers included a mother bear and her cubs and a herd of elk, and I saw some chickens running around in a yard. I remarked to my local friend that those were gamecocks rather than your typical utility chicken, and he informed me that cock fighting was big in the area. I asked whether it was Mexicans, and he said “no, it’s the tarheels.” He added that there were some places those who weren’t from the town knew to avoid, because “if you go in you might not come out.” Later, when I saw a ruined building on a big concrete lot through the woods my friend told me that it had been a mandatory weigh station for logging trucks until someone blew it up with dynamite.

Of course, he added that it’s all changing these days, because everyone’s losing community and local character due to the information age. He sounded as though he preferred the old, paranoid edgy past to the Brave New World growing up around us. I think I do, too.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

This “we’re only hurting Canada!” cry from the left is either disingenuous or stupid. Canada, like the US, is a net steel importer.

So when the Canadians sell us steel, where do you think they make up the deficit in domestic supply? I can tell you:

Chinese steel is shipped directly from Tianjin to the Port of Vancouver. So it doesn’t really matter whether the Canadians are selling us domestically produced steel (probably produced from Chinese import billet anyway) or simply turning the Chinese produced steel over and selling it directly to US consumers. They are effectively middlemen in either case, and middlemen we certainly don’t need.

Because of this kind of practice, the 25% tariff has to be across the board.

It’s sad for me here in the Pac. NW just a short drive from Vancouver to see trainloads of raw materials heading north to Canadian ports to be shipped to China, only to see them returning as value added products like steel and finished lumber. We aren’t even getting the benefit of the port jobs that handle the coal — it all goes up to Roberts Bank near the Tsawassen ferry terminal, less than a mile north of the border. Americans are really getting screwed by these deals, and what do we get in return? Overvalued tech companies that offer us lousy entertainment and “social media” at the expense of our privacy and real communities.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

Part of our problem regarding human rights is that the Christian concept of the community has been debased.

I have become convinced that freedom of religion was, in its time, considered sufficient for ensuring communal freedom in the United States. To British settlers and early Americans, the church was the community. I don’t think anyone who knows American history can honestly argue against that point. However, in recent times this fact of American life, which was always taken for granted until only a few decades ago, has been largely eradicated.

Thus we are left only with individual rights, which are inconsequential to an organization with a monopoly on force, e.g. the ATF and FBI in 1993 during the Waco siege.

When Christians no longer have the right to form their own communities according to their own principles, they are rendered impotent and defenseless.

Freedom of religion is essential in that there is ultimately no rational basis for human rights or liberty. As was made clear in the founding documents of the United States, our rights are God-given, and not subject to repeal based on sophistry or the declamations of prophet killers or would-be deicides.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

I can guarantee you that this cable is only one of many – hundreds if not thousands – along these lines, so the effect from this particular one is not that important as it’s simply a part of a larger concerted effort.

The effect of this effort is pretty much the same as it is here in the US when these people organize to get what they want. First, they start hectoring people through their various forms of leverage, and in the beginning the people resist a bit, but through persistence you eventually arrive at little liberal power centers staffed by utter degenerates, moral midgets, misfits and assorted others who detest the native population.

After some time you have a budding San Francisco in some place like Prague or Riga, and the poor rubes never know what hit them.

It’s not really so great for America, because while we gain some allies among the muck, it makes us look kind of disgusting to the natives, much as big city liberal politicians tend to disgust flyover Americans.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

US State dept. bullying of Eastern Europeans – particularly compliant, obedient ones like Estonians and Latvians – was commonplace during the Bush and Obama regimes. They pushed homosexuality, diversity, tolerance — all the usual stuff. This included upbraiding the natives for not being nice enough to the Russians who invaded them in the 40s.

The US embassy even went to the trouble of helping organize gay pride marches in these countries.

Also, ambassadors typically hailed from a particular ethnic group that doesn’t happen to like Eastern Europeans very much. It’s pretty amazing the amount of abuse these people put up with from State, but perhaps that’s the point of power: you use it when and where you can.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

[Bolding added, when you hate fat people so much that you consider it a mark against feeding the poor]

Sorry Bill. Not quite right. The 10% tithing does not go towards welfare at all.
The welfare program comes from a system we have where we are expected to fast for two meals a month, and pool that money to help the poor. Unlike taxes, we literally sacrifice our meals to feed others. The recipients of this assistance know that they are quite literally having others go hungry to help them out. While there are still abusers and freeloaders, of course, I think this cuts down substantially on the sense of entitlement I often see in tax-based government welfare programs.

Don’t get me wrong though — there is no public shaming or the like in the program. The congregation is unaware of who is receiving the funds, aside from a couple of trusted volunteers that are in the know in administrating the funds (which are fully audited as well, of course, to prevent abuses).

The program works quite well, and my son once did an analysis of data on hunger in the US that indicated that if this “skip two meals once a month to help others” program were deployed nationally, it could end hunger in the US.

Thanks for the info. So there’s actually a separate “tax” beyond the 10% tithing, which comes out to roughly what? I know Mormons know how to eat on the cheap (so do I; I have been known to visit the bulk aisles at Winco from time to time), so the cost of two meals could vary considerably.

Also, what about the hard cases? Say you have someone who just sleeps in until noon every day, spends the rest on social media and blows her child support check on frivolous entertainment and sexy clothes, yet still has an pharaonic sense of entitlement. This is actually a pretty common profile, BTW. How do you deal with her?

As to your son’s idea, I’m sure he’s correct. Skipping two meals a month would more than eliminate hunger in the US. However, it would have another less desirable consequence: it would exacerbate the class difference in obesity rates by making the middle class and above thinner while making the underclass even fatter.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

It’s really quite simple:

Mormon welfare (among other expenses) is paid for with a 10% flat tax on earnings (tithing). It is also administered by elders who apply Mormon moral tests to recipients.

You don’t get much welfare for being a single mother whose baby-daddy is in prison for gang-related activities. Nor do you get it for being an adulteress, a layabout or an addict.

Therefore, Mormons who have it together can afford more kids, even if they are working class. Since having it together is correlated with rational decisionmaking ability, it is correlated with IQ.

Traditional Christianity used to be the same. The New Testament makes it clear that if you don’t behave yourself, do your fair share of work and make the right choices you’re out of the community.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

This isn’t just a problem in politics. Look at media and academia, where there has been a concerted effort to marginalize straight white males of Christian heritage born after 1965 or so since at least the late 80s.

The only younger white guys who make it big now are sycophants like Ross Douthat and Rod Dreher or sociopaths who hate their own kind like Kevin Williamson. The rest of us have been banished from the “conversation.”

On the positive side, this creates an enormous vacuum that can and will be filled by those with a decidedly different agenda. Unfortunately, it’s going to be a big struggle for most of us to find the time and funds to make ourselves heard, but we’ll get there eventually.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

Mormons have a flat tax that provides community welfare. Obviously, those with more resources can afford more children. If the welfare is distributed on moral grounds, as I suspect it is, as opposed to pure “need” (e.g. single mothers, adulteresses, addicts, criminals, etc.) then it would be all the more eugenic.

Traditional Christianity is highly eugenic as well, but this element has been eliminated by progressives, who demand Marxist forms of redistribution that fail to take moral behavior into account.

I live in a working class white region with lots of Mormons. Mormons are, by origin, working class whites. Their religion and social hierarchy are cleverly designed to improve the station and quality of working class people, and I’ve seen it work in real time. However, their unfortunate prohibitions and the science fiction origins of the religion are a bit of an impediment to conversion, to put it mildly.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

[Seriously again with the dogs?]

The childhood nostalgia makes sense. Being a young(er) adult sucks compared to previous decades, and being a child isn’t really all that awesome either. Things were better in the 1980s. For example, we still had a country and a culture back then. Disney, for all its faults, is one of the remaining cultural touchstones of what used to be the USA.

That said, I don’t have much sympathy for these overgrown children. They’re shoving little kids out of the way by taking over rides. I’d ban them the same as I’d ban dogs from children’s playgrounds (another problem that annoys me immensely).

ThreeCranes #fundie unz.com

I’ve yet to meet a woman who cared to discuss an issue of the day in transcendent, impartial, objective terms. As has been said, for a woman, Right and Wrong are determined by what’s good for her kids.

Nsa #fundie unz.com

Compare the j-media treatment of the two pervs, stink finger Nassar and wee wee licker Sandusky. Sandusky was the subject of j-media hysteria for many months, whereas Nassar has been treated with almost diffidence (the author recommends a ten year sentence for molesting 160 underage girlies). Could the explanation be as simple as american culture being sublimated homo and more titillated by same sex perversion?

3g4me #fundie unz.com

@113 Rosamond Vincy: Kudos on a well conceived and written comment. What Nassar did was inexcusable, but the fame-struck and egotistical parents are equally despicable. While I detest our vile court system and judges’ hubris in general, Aquilina struck me as the epitome of histrionic. A la Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg claiming to have been sexually harassed – all jump aboard the “metoo” everlasting estrogen train.

Women need to shut the hell up and get out of most of public life where they are ill-suited, ill-trained, and ill-intentioned. With rare exceptions (and your comment indicates you are one), most women cannot separate the rational from the emotional.

Attilathehen #fundie unz.com

You are one degenerate cuck. You envy Derbyshire? WOW!!! Are you trying to import an Asian woman into the USA? People of different political view and races can love each? You sound like a teenager. I don’t respect liberal men because logically they are idiots. Blacks/Asians are inferior races so why would a Caucasian pollute his offspring’s bloodline? I listed facts about his worthless spawn and you consider them a fine family? WOW!!! I did give Derbyshire a chance. Asian genes can be recessive over time. What he would have to do is go to an AmRen conference and announce that he knows the West is best, being white is best and then his wife and children would have to go on stage and say the same thing. They would give thanks for being a part of the West. But when Derbyshire gave me his Stalin/Harding comparison, he basically stated that the Chinese are superior to whites. I don’t know if he realizes that the Japanese are smarter than the Chinese. The Japanese are still inferior to Caucasians/Europeans though

Diversity Heretic #fundie unz.com

I remember the highly inappropriate behavior of the female trial judge in the Georges Zimmerman case. Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

Bill P #fundie unz.com

They’re freaking out because they are going to lose the argument soon, one way or another. There will be another Cold War, because America’s elites are going to start to see what happens when a patriotic country runs the table on them. All these billionaires are going to shortly find themselves tributaries to China, and they aren’t going to like it. American militarism will collapse under progressive assaults as transsexuals occupy privileged posts in the military and chase out all but their faithful allies, who don’t want to fight.

The fools who thought that selling out the American people would perpetually be good for their bottom line will find out otherwise. Corruption and moral decline have consequences.

When elite secular Anglos and Jews find themselves under the thumb of Chinese functionaries they will suddenly find themselves looking favorably upon American nationalism. It’s entirely predictable. Anti-white racism will be put on hiatus indefinitely. The only problem is that they may have already done so much damage to the country that they won’t be able to preserve their interests.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

So we white Americans are not real, but rather an “idea.” This what follows from saying that there is no American race. Real human beings have races, or at least nationalities, but we don’t, so we are not human beings.

So I guess my children and I are all figments of someone’s imagination. We exist conditionally, according to whether or not the idea of American includes us.

The hundreds of years that my ancestors lived on the fringe of civilization settling and building this “idea” count for nothing more than the whims of our new colonial masters.

From an objective viewpoint, one would have to come to the conclusion that a powerful faction is waging war against the American people.

Backwoods Bob #racist unz.com

I married an Asian because she was hot, young, and loves me for laying down the bacon and slapping her ass every time she’s close enough to swat.

There isn’t a hint of feminism in these beautiful East Asian units guys. They love men to pieces.

What kind of a retard would choose a fugly Asian? The fugly strain causes feminism. Even in lab rats.

Thorfinnsson #racist unz.com

I don’t think exclusively dating oriental women is an alt-right rite of passage at all.

It’s perhaps a nerd right of passage, and there’s considerable overlap here.

I had one Asian girlfriend, and it was prior to becoming a committed racist. I was also interested in white women at the time and never had any kind of exclusive yellow fever.

I do still slam zipper pussy when it’s available (proud member of the bleach right), but I only date white women now.

Bill P #sexist unz.com

She’s [Susan Wojcicki] a typical female authority figure: a tyrant. What does it matter whether the rationale is dressed up in maternal feelings? Maternal priorities have terminated some 60 million viable babies in the United States alone since 1973.

As for tipping my hat to that woman, I don’t think so. I wouldn’t take off my hat or drop my guard for a second around that type. You take your hat off in church in deference to your Lord Jesus Christ. At least that’s what I learned as a kid. Not some worldly woman with hundreds of millions of dollars.

Harri Honkanen #fundie unz.com

Given that Finns were clearly reacting against the Establishment and its plans for mass Third World immigration, why didn’t the Finnish Right strike? The answer lies in the Finnish national character itself. Political Correctness is more dangerous in Finland than elsewhere in Western Europe. Like East Asians (some geneticists argue Finns have relatively high East Asian admixture by European standards), Finns are conformist. They can’t stand disagreement. They’re chronically shy, conflict averse and rule-governed. As I argued above, this may reflect adaption to extremely harsh yet predictable conditions, where cooperative groups are more likely to survive. Society is harmonious and efficient but with a tiny gene pool everyone thinks similarly. You don’t risk being shamed. Indeed, scholars have highlighted the way that Finland has an effectively East Asian “shame culture”

Bill P #sexist unz.com

So regarding divorce we’re just doing the same as the Muslims but putting it in the woman’s hands.

That ought to work out great in the long run!

Bill P #fundie unz.com

Shoplifting is a right, doncha know? Unauthorized immigrants, unauthorized shoppers — they are all facing unjust discrimination.

Seriously, it’s a huge problem in black communities, and more than a few white ones. To me, it poses a bit of an ethical dilemma:

I think it’s wrong to gouge people in poor neighborhoods, but given the high rate of theft, is there any other viable business model?

People don’t take theft seriously enough. It imposes a tax on all honest folks for the benefit of criminals. It actually hurts the poor more than the wealthy, so when liberals refuse to take it seriously they are “punching down” so to speak. Isn’t it curious how virtually all socially liberal policies do more harm to the weaker members of society?

It would be better for blacks overall if theft were punished swiftly and seriously, preferably with hard labor. Stealing is appropriating other people’s labor, after all, so it’s only fair that thieves provide some compensation to society.

Bill P #sexist unz.com

No, it isn’t an awakening as of yet. It will be an awakening when Americans realize en masse that the idea of gender equality is a remarkably brazen con job.

Bill P #fundie unz.com

That Steve King tweet was “monstrous” trolling of people like John Podhoretz. It’s actually pretty funny, because few of his voters will know or care about Victor Orban, so including that quote was purely for the laughs.

Steve King must have a pretty safe seat, or maybe he just doesn’t care. Probably a bit of both. Being an Anglo-Celtic politician with a conservative Germanic constituency is about as good as it gets.

King is probably the awesomest politician in congress. He has proposed abolishing civil marriage, he defends cock-fighting (prima facie evidence of redneck ancestry), he personally despatched a rabid raccoon that was menacing his family and he routinely trolls wimpy republicans.

We need more young men with King’s attitude.

Bill P #racist unz.com

How many whites will be left in California after the illegals chase them all out with fire?

Is anyone in California talking about this potential ethnic cleansing in Los Angeles?

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