We've already lost one city: New Orleans. And I think one of the reasons we lost that city is because those who really pull the strings wanted to see precisely what would happen when a sizeable urban population found themselves under extreme conditions of duress for a period of time. In other words, they recognized that the aftermath of Katrina was an opportunity to conduct a psychological test of an entire subject population.
I don't believe for one second that there wasn't a plane that hit the WTC, but there is a thread on here where a video is posted of a silhouette of the plane hitting where the plane looks a ton like Air Force One.
u know what? GOD had to do something with the all 9/11 stuff.. there were just SO much "miracles" happening that day... vanishing planes, never found bodies, more ten 10 ppl calling from 30.000 feet with a successrate of 0,006%
200 gram bandana fresh from the store found at the crashtite while a 100.000.000 gram plane vanished (guess god forgot to miracilously vanish that one), pentagon lawn untouched y the 100 ton plane that crashed into it (guess god tought the lawn was too beutifull, so he restored it)
just thinking about al those "miracles" gives me a warm feeling inside
Do you want to argue against the laws of physics? The WTC fell as if it was falling with almost 0 resistance through the air. The ONLY way this can be accomplished is with CD. There is no other plausible explanation, not even the lame attempt by the BOSS.
If the FBI releases any video that shows a 757 hitting the pentago, I am moving out of this country.
The only thing I know for certain is that if the current elites are against someone, then they must be on the right track, be it Cynthia McKinney or David Duke.
Here, again, is one example of video fakery that can be verified by anyone - In the documentary 9/11: In Plane Site at 28:00, the plane approaches the south tower at about 1/4 of the speed that we see at 10:23 in the same documentary - HOW CAN THIS BE? The widely-stated approach speed is 530 mph, even though those who know say a 767 CANNOT fly that fast at low altitude. Could we unintentionally be supporting one of the central tenets of the "Official Story" if we accept a high-speed approach? How about if we accept the physics-defying behavior of the plane in the CNN "Butterplane" south tower impact? How can we IGNORE videos of Fox goons spreading the "Official Story" at Ground Zero almost immediately, despite eyewitnesses to the contrary? Why should we take VIDEO FAKERY off the table when we discuss 9/11 here?
The pentagon pics I'm more skeptical about. It could just have easily been recreated in a movie studio somewhere. It would be interesting to get a medical examiner's take on these.
The most accurate characterization of my position is "the plane missed the south tower". I have offered evidence to support it. Is there "evidence" to the contrary? Yes. Could it be bogus? Yes. With total control of the MSM, wouldn't it be cheaper and more reliable to create the fiction that the plane hit the south tower, rather than risk flying a 767-type drone into NYC? I believe so.
Maybe the [9/11] passengers never existed, they were all staged.
Random thought. Before 9/11, what if the zionists told our government that they were being attacked and threatened daily by the palestians, arabs, etc. in Israel and their only chance for survival was to get the U.S involved and help them with their war or ELSE. What if the zionists and the zionist in the US administration threatened to use Israel nucleur weopons on the US if the government didnt cooperate?
After all, zionists control almost the majority of our adminintrations, corporations, Media etc.
So our government has to make a deal that will save the most lives. They cant get us to fight in the middle-east simply because Israel needs us to. I mean 'fight the arabs to save the jews' just doesnt fly. So they have to stage an arab attack on the USA that will want us to go fight in the middle-east. The zionists not only get the protection, but their also getting more Israel territory.
What does the USA get out of this? More lives saved and oil.
John F. Kennedy did NOT want Israel to have nucleur weopons. After making that clear, he was assassinated very shortly after. Maybe the zionists are the ones who killed JFK?
Money is the root of all evil. And the zionists have a ton of it.
hi i remember reading an article awhile ago about the reoccuring number "11" surrounding the 9/11 attacks. Numerology is highly valued in Freemasonry which President Bush admitted he was a member of. Many presidents in the past were also firm believers in Numerology. Do you think this is the reason, or is it all just one big coincidence? I got this list from http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm
WTC Facts:
* The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
* Each building had *11*0 stories.
* After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
* September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
* 119 is the area code for Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11, 911 - 119 are opposites - enemies?
11 11 polarity.
* Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11.
* The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11.
* State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union.
* "New York City" has 11 letters.
* "Afghanistan" - 11 letters.
* "The Pentagon" - 11 letters.
* "Ramzi Yousef" - 11 letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993).
* Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11.
* Flight 11 had 11 crew members onboard.
* Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11.
I also remember reading somewhere that there was 911 days between the 9/11 attacks and the Madrid bombings, not sure if thats true or not.
[On the theory that world-renowned demolitions experts Controlled Demolitions Inc. were involved in a conspiracy in Oklahomy City in 1995 and on 9/11]
It is of considerable mention that CDI presided over the clean-up of Oklahoma City, and this is important because there is essentially undeniable evidence that there were multiple explosives found in the Murrah building (which I can link you to). So it seems likely to me that if elements of CDI were involved with a cover-up then, they would do the same now. Their expertise in controlled demolitions is not in question, but their credibility on post-explosive analysis or their honesty is as far as I'm concerned.
I Bleeive This!
2 KC-767s fuleing crashed into twin towers. Explotion to big! Explosives in towers, and fell. Criuse missle jit the oentagon PROOF. flight 93 landed at clevland so UAL175, AAl77 and AAL11 Never flew on 9/11 but 2 KC-767s paited like a UAL and A AAL jet look closely on the photes you can see the house to re fuel. Cruise missle hit the petagon JET FEUL DOES NOT BURN WHITE IT BURN BALCK PHOTS SHOW SOMKE WHITE AT PENTAGON! Thats what I think happend and have a proof for much of what I just said 9/11 hijackers still alive, FBI webstie has a few to many hijackers? The USAF broke the code ofd conduct?
I think the focus should be on the fact that there is/was NO PLANES at Pentagon and Shanksville.....
I mean there is no cockpit, no tail, no fusalodge, no wings, no lugage, no engines, no seats, no black boxes, no bodies,....nothing zero. When you ask people to FIND THE PLANE it is impossible....because there is/was none... That way when I share with people the WHOLE ATTACK I ask them to find the planes......the burden of proof is on them to Find the planes...... not me.....
No disrpect to WTC 1-2-7.... but there is to many WHAT IF'S....and HOW COME'S.....big "PUZZLE" there, lots of peices, too much thinking......
***** For the record I think remote control planes and massive military grade explosives brought these buildings down........bush&CO.....planned/carried out/covered it up/blamed it on arab "TERRORIST".......********.
How am I suppose to live knowing all of this? I've done so much research and now im 200% sure it was orchistrated by government tyrants. Everywhere I go I feel like 'i know something you dont know' its hard to explain. I always had this instictive fear of the corporate world as it was. but now that ive learned about this bad bad thing, my fear is through the roof. im more of a hermit now than ever. Ive never really talked about it w/ anyone yet. Not even my parents. Just today, i flat out told my shrink at the end of the session. I just opened a whole new door to my already existing crazy paranoia. She seems very interested to hear more about it next week, but I really do not know how open-minded shell be about the whole thing. Sorry to say, It felt VERY awkard just spilling those beans. You just dont know how something like that can shake someones nerves. Im afraid im so unstable, i can completely mess up the whole conversation.
(Admin from Loose Change, discussing the convenience of admiting CT deniers in the forum):
It's one thing to let people come in and debate until we are more sure of their intentions but it's another animal altogether to let them purposely bog down our efforts. This is not like we are debating art or religion and we have forever. We do not. Our time is limited as are our resources. Wouldn't our time be much better spent to help legit newbies and with activism? Furthermore, we are about to attack Iran, possibly with nuclear weapons and we risk WW3. In the background looms another 911.
Flight 175 wasn't really UA 175 full of passengers and highjacker miracle pilots. I think everybody agrees on this one, right?
I usually get mixed reactions. Normally, offline, people are complete idiots who don't even bother to listen to the facts.
Like when I was at my friend's Grandpa's house during Mid-Winter Break
Arcterus: *explains most of the points commonly brought up with 9/11 conspiracy theories* So anyway, that's why I think it was a conspiracy.
Mr.Wheeler: That's outlandish?
Arcterus: Huh?
Mr.Wheeler: It's more than outlandish, it's hilarious.
Arcterus: Great, then you can counter all the points I just brought up!
Mr.Wheeler: .........It's just crazy.
Arcterus: Well I guess that just settles the whole thing doesn't it? If you're going to deny my beliefs, at least provide evidence.
NOTE:His real name is not Mr.Wheeler. I have no idea what his last name is, so I called him that.
But even on the internet, I'll meet the occasional dumbass.
Can you explain how this "2nd plane" magically "pops" out of thin air, melts into the WTC, then the fuselage comes out the other side practically intact?
Well what exactly do you want me to elaborate? Ive noticed too many people in the so called truth movement blame bush and the neocons for everything, even if their pizza is delivered late. They are nothing in the grand scheme of things, just public hate figures, but very few people question who leads the leaders. As for 9/11, my belief is that all major intelligence agencies colluded to bring about a fascist NWO by speeding up with the 9/11 black op. You think the US is the only country secretly run by hidden forces with hidden agendas? The agents and disinfo artists are designed to bring hate and blame against one group of people, eg. Muslims, Jews, Bush, Neocons....Its all about psychological operations and how they divide the truth movement into bite sized groups so they are easier to dismantle. As for the masons, they are heavily connected to the CIA and MI5 and other major intelligence agencies, you only need to look at their symbolism in their logo's to see the relation. They are just one arm of the NWO but as for the masons directly planning 9/11, why bother? They have their military slaves to do it for them. The current leaders are more scared of the people in the dark who give them their orders then they are of the public. Like I said in another post, the Republicans and Democrats are the same type of people, the Republicans want to build enough hate against Bush then in 2008 they will elect the Democrats who will carry out the same NWO agenda but with a sweeter taste, lets say Hilary 'the evil bitch' Clinton is looking like she will take it, its just fascism with a friendly female touch.
JFK Assassination & World Trasde Center Linked?
Why is the Feds and gov. holding back tapes and evidence. The CIA could have been involved with the assination of JFK. This is a possibility. Then why are they holding evidence and not realising it until around 2040? Waiting until all the people during the assination die. Again here in the 9/11 the gov prob altered and relased the tapes. If the goverement had no involvement, they would have freely allowed us to see the tapes. Holding onto the tapes doesen't keep the public secure. They would! probably say its for saftey reasons. This all balony!!! The flight 93 landed and then saw again. This not an allusion. I think theres a connection between this because it would be impossible for these events to happen. The gov is just putting word in our mouths and makin us look like fools.
Many people question the Pentagon eyewitnesses yet only a few question the photographic evidence from the 2nd tower 'plane strike'. I find this highly illogical.
The perps had to had spent MILLIONS on planting demo charges in 2 towers and WTC7, rigging explosives/plane/missle/whatever for the pentagon, shipped the steel from the towers to China, fake Osama and Zarqawi videos and on and on.....
[About the airliners used on 9/11]
It's little more than a foil-wrapped kite without a string, that meeting an immovable object would crumple as an accordian , as would a car hitting a large tree.--not FLOAT thru walls like a DOOM video game...
Not only that, but it would change speed substantially, not break the laws of Physics by maintaining the same speed as before impact!
I should have seen it the first time, why didn't any of us catch it right away? Frankly, I think we all should have caught it from the beginning.
I mean, it's not like it's hidden or anything--it is JUST IMPOSSIBLE-I think I must have fallen in love with the pod or something, or more likely it's possible that we were all under some sort of mind control ---we were "told" what we were seeing--so our brains made corrections, ALLOWANCES--maybe we are far more suggestible than we are aware of.
Do you guys think a deranged fan shot former Beatles singer John Lennon?
I don't think so.
Call me crazy and paranoid (Like most of us lol) but I think either an undercover agent or a person that was pro-war killed him.
He was strongly against war, and his lyrics and songs moved America and the entire world in a way never before, and the government was terrified of this.
So, could it have been a undercover agent?
I think so.
I think it is foolish to dismiss any theory, no matter how ridiculous it might appear at first sight, without looking into it (after all schoolkids came to their teachers and told them what's going to happen on 9/11, doesn't seem like a ridiculous theory now).
I agree with the idea that a real plane, real debris, real bodies would be a clever way to 'sell' the 4 plane hijack myth.
[Where did all those 9//11 passengers go?]
CLEVELAND
Not all of the passengers, but most of them.
[On 9/11 destruction of WTC]
There was not 1 reason for this, but many.
Starting with the most simple motives - the asbsetos, the insurance, the lack of tennants ( income ), the aging and corrosion problems ( aluminum clad steel ).
To the political - the taliban walking out on the talks on the oil pipeline thru Afghanistan, Sadam talking about converting his economy to the Euro, etc.
To the unimaginable - do a google search on the " Georgia Guidestones " and you will soon realize what I mean. Keep in mind the current global population is ~6.5 Billion. Then think about the timeline of the erection of this monument and the "discovery" of many of our modern "diseases".
Other reasons would be the silencing of certain individuals who "knew too much".
Do some research on the backgrounds of the victims.
Why do you continue to say 'blue screeners' = 'no planners'? Have you considered that maybe a plane did hit but you haven't seen the REAL plane because fake evidence has put forth by our cia infested media. Or have you considered that a plane flew by the towers but did not strike them as IOK suggested and once again video/photographic trickery was put forth to make it look like a plane hit the tower?
In my estimation, none of these theories should be ridiculed given the available evidence.
Only south tower "impact" footage taken from the west, that I know of, is a low-res clip supposedly taken by a Japanese tourist. Typically, it is posted with a comment like "Is this a UFO taking off to the left, in the middle of the clip?" - to which the obvious response is "no, it's just a bird" - but NO ONE EVER ASKS "is the impact real?" "could this clip have been altered to erase the plane that really flew off to the left?" "Where is the 'third plane' that can be seen in a CameraPlanet clip, emerging on a north course from behind the north tower?" "are the perps providing clips with SOME reality and SOME fakery, and setting up 'straw man' debates to obscure the REAL 9/11 hoax?"...you know, stuff like that!
I don't believe we need any more evidence than has been generated already to show MOST PEOPLE that the official lies about 9/11 can not possibly be true. As far as I'm concerned, that right there is "success" -- end of phase one.
Now it is time to go on to phase two and three (which we've been doing): That being (1) spreading the word far and wide and (2) forming a real, viable, political COALITION (this is not a right/left issue) that stands in direct OPPOSITION to 9/11 LIES. We have our litmus test: Any politician, bureaucrat, talking head or media that supports the official story can not be trusted or supported and must ultimately be exposed, overthrown and held accountable (Steps four, five and six.)
Now, if Nico can come up with COMPELLING evidence that can be grasped by a mind of average intelligence in FIVE SECONDS or less that proves conclusively that no planes hit the towers, then this can be included in our arsenal of 9/11 truths used to counter the lies.
[On getting the word out about the "Loose Change" conspiracy video]
Hunger Strike in July, DC
We sit in the mall in DC and display our definence untill national media either shows us dying in from malnutrition or LC is shown on broadcast.
[On debris blowing in front of WTC 2]
My guess is that the target is being "painted with a laser".
This technology is common with the precision smart bombs used over the last decade.
I have seen this many times and each time I watch it, can find no other explanation.
I do not believe it is faked.
Now, take control of the video progress button and make the plane go in and out of the tower slowly several times and then quickly, all the while paying attention to the relative distance between the main wingtips and the tail wingtips. You'll notice that the distance between the 2 sets of wingtips never changes as the plane enters the tower even thought the wingroots which hold the wings in place have long since been destroyed in the tower. This is an absolute impossibility. This 'collision' or entry into the tower looks totally photoshopped.
When I found out that 911 was a false flag operation orchestrated by our own government, it looked to be a fairly easy task of informing the world. I figured I needed about a week maybe 10 days to get-er-done. The evidence was so overwhelming that a child could look at the evidence and come to its logical conclusion.
Unfortunately this was true in virtually every sense of the word. Children along with teenagers and young adults have the uncanny ability to accept the truth when the evidence is laid out in a reasonable and sequential manner. The older the person is, the harder it is to get them to think rationally and responsibly when it comes to 911 and many other political issues.
Lots of stuff happening before the top falls. Its in reverse to all known properties of physics in this universe....you get the floors popping out before the weight gets down to them. For a natural collapse there sure is lots of debris being ejected.
As you wonder about the passengers for flight 77 that hit the pentagon, I'm wondering about the passengers for flight 93. Just recently I saw a documentary on nat. geographic I believe which was about flight 93 and also the families. I kinda wondered if these people were for real or not...
It is now interesting to note that the WTC complex stored $160 billion of gold and precious metals. Thats a lot of metal, dump trucks worth of gold. In fact a dump truck full of gold was found by the teams at ground zero. Where on earth did this truck come from? Did someone in all the confusion decide to grab a dump truck and somehow manage to fill it with gold before driving off (to under building 5). Out of the $160 billion of gold and precious metals stored only $430 was recovered. I would speculate that tunnel access was organised for the CD team and dump trucks full of explosives were driven in underground over the weekend. Then after the first tower was hit and certain explosions were set off in the basement these very same dump trucks rolled in via the tunnel access to fill up with gold and drive off under building five to who knows? One dump truck was slow or got held up on the way out and the guys driving it bailed out, upwards away from the huge underground charges timed to blow when the south tower collapsed. Sounds like the plot of a James Bond film but the evidence supports it.
Why can the public not all we get is someone tell us what is on the flight record? Is there a web site that as this tape. I would like to hear it myself, why is that only plople in the courtroom. No one know who is on the jury. The only preson the media the I have see looks like his readed a script. No one as said nothing about the crash site why is they no plane what so ever there.
scientists are using faith and ignorance themselves when they decide that a phenomena MUST be a natural instance that they don't know about yet.
That's what evolution is basically...
God did not make it logical that there is no God, how can that be?
Ever thought of how information, brain ideas and knowledge came to be?
Everything on earth points to divine creation. And tell me, why would God say in his own bible that he created earth, and then make it logical that there is no God?
Not possible.