[Explaining how freshwater fish survived the flood]
That's no problem at all. A global flood is not all the same everywhere -- one would expect huge variations of mineral concentrations, temperature, current, etc. You can imagine huge pockets of fresh water within the overall flood.
Creationism is a far more investigative science then evolution. The reason, is because it sets out to prove something. Evolution ultimately makes up theories that appears to make sense in keeping with the theory.
It's harder to try and prove something without changing the original premise (the Bible) than it is to make changes to a theory not bound by any concrete belief.
[You are being illogical when you say the Earth and Universe have been in existence for only 6,000 years, yet they are embedded with an age of 4.5 billion and 13 billion respectively.]
Either that, or I'm explaining the miraculous. Am I being illogical when I say Jesus fed 5000 with 2 small fishes and 5 barley loaves - (John 6:9)? Am I being illogical when I say a bush was on fire, but didn't burn up - (Exodus 3)? And am I really being illogical when I say Jesus rose from the dead after being crucified - (Matthew 28:6)?
The Bible teaches a soteriology -- a means of uniting with God. God tells us that we can unite with him by being pardoned of divine destructive punishment ("justified"), as we believe ("faith") that Christ was punished in our place on the cross ("atonement"). This is the Biblical Christian soteriology: "justification by faith." Other religions have different soteriologies:
Platonism. For example, in Platonism, it is taught that God punishes humans only to correct them and not to destroy them -- kind of like a gardener pruning a tree, or a surgeon cauterizing a patient, or a sculptor chiseling a stone. Thus, Plato taught that we unite with God by yielding ourselves to the operation of his ongoing wrath and cooperating synergistically to be transfigured by it. This soteriology is made clear in Socrates's dialogue with Polus in Plato's book, "Gorgias."
Islam. In Islam, it is taught that a person can escape Allah's non-corrective punishments ("justification") by believing in Allah and Muhammed's Quranic prophecy ("faith") and by not failing to live according to the Five Pillars.
Many Non-Christians resist converting to Christianity because they believe that God taught them the soteriology they believe. For example, both Plato and Muhammed believed that God was teaching them their soteriologies. But even if it is true that God taught one of the non-Christian soteriologies, this is still not a good excuse for resisting converting to Christianity. Why not? Because Yahweh tells us that he would lie to humans in order to deceive them into believing a non-Christian soteriology. Having believed the false soteriology he taught them, he would condemn them for their violation of his law:
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (New International Version)
They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Thus the fact that you believe God taught you your religion is not grounds for following it rather than converting to Christianity. For, even if you are correct that God taught your religion to you, it is nevertheless false. Only by the Christian soteriology can you unite with God.
[This is aparently an argument against evolution]
Can you clone evolution?
St. Catherine's monastery claims to have the actual "burning bush" that we read about in our Bible. Of course the story in the Bible took place 3500 years ago, so how could this bush still be alive today? Is this like the 5,000 year old "Methuselah Tree," said to be the world's oldest tree?
Actually, the Bush clones itself in what is known as asexual reproduction. So where is the opportunity for evolution to take place here? There is no selection involved. As anyone who has ever attended a ivy league college knows, you can not get rid of ivy. In theory it is because as long as you have a half inch section of the root, it will grow into a whole plant. Weeds are the same way. Chop the root up into little tiny peices and all of those peices will reproduce themselves and grow a weed identical to the origional. Some flowers reproduce that way also. You do not need a seed, you just need to keep a section of the root moist. As long as it does not dry out, it will reproduce itself.
You want "proof", you'll have to wait for Him to bring it back. Okay? We Christians have something better than "proof", we have "faith". Okie-doke?
Leave the "proof" for those who don't believe in God. We Christians don't want anything to do with it, as we walk by faith, not by sight.
There is no need to use the "T" word -- torture.
God does not and will not torture anyone. It is unbiblical to say that God will torture people -- the Bible never uses the word torture. God punishes them with no intent to teach them, correct them, or reform them. This is not torture.
[There have been assassination attempts on 15 out of 43 presidents (35%), with 4 sucesses. Being a president is dangerous enough to deserve more protection than the average person.]
That has absolutely no effect on the percent chance of one of America's nearly 300 million people today attempting to assassinate the president.
I overestimated the source of those statistics; they are not even educated guesses, but completely irrelevant historical facts.
[continuing his hard-on for the KJV]
If your original Hebrew disagrees with my original King James --- your original Hebrew is wrong. If your original Hebrew agrees with my original King James, your original Hebrew is right.
I have found a life formula that links the soul of life to the characteristics of light. Light is electromagnetic radiation, 1 force, made up of 2 parts.
The characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them as: No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate) and together they make up the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because:
Negative - No - Subtraction
Positive - Yes - Addition
Attraction - Love - Multiplication
Repulsion - Hate - Division
Not only that, but the characteristics of the two parts of light also relate to male and female. The energitic, violent nature of males is electrical, and the emotional, loving nature of females is magnetic.
This gives us the two life forces some call Adam and Eve, while others call Ying and Yang, among other names.
From this easy view of light we have the soul, math, Adam and Eve, and a life formula that is universal.
My concern is the damage the teaching of evolution as fact in our schools is leading our young people away from God. If they are taught, and believe that God was not involved in creating the universe, then there is a great danger that they will turn out atheistic, and end up in a place that is not very nice.
The danger is to the eternal souls who are fooled by all the evolutionists hype, to the detriment of their eternal home and souls.
For a long time, I thought the idea of life after death was really bogus. I mean, if your dead, how can you be alive? That don't make any sense at all.
The other day I was listening to the Cannibal Corps's first CD, Eaten back to life. It's the one that has that old classic, Skull full of maggots, on it. Anyway, while listening to it, I realized how God will give us life after death. God will kill the dead back to life.
The way it works is if you are alive and some one kills you, you are then dead. However, if someone kills you after you are already dead, they kill you back to life.
[From where did the different races come?]
This reminds me of the question; where did all the languages come from? Years ago, the U.S. government invested millions of dollars to discover "where all languages came from". After millions of dollars, and a ton of research, the scientific study concluded that all languages originated in Babylon.
Of course, all languages did come from Babylon. I could have saved the U.S. government millions of dollars: all the "scientists" needed to do was crack open a Bible to Genesis to know this!
Where did all races originate? From the decendants of Noah; should we pump millions of dollars into a "scientific study" to prove that all mankind originated from the mountains of Ararat?
The civil rights movement was organized by communists. Investigations performed under the internal security act prove this. Its effects were devastating on Christian churches in the USA.
You can call me any name you want ("racist", "white supremacist" etc.) but the founders of this nation and those who signed the Constitution of the United States did not condone integration. That is why I simply cannot have fellowship with those who, in their IGNORANCE, acknowledge the Christian foundation of our nation but also praise Martin Luther King Jr. The spectrum has been pushed so far to the left in this country that Marxist-Leninists are now called "conservatives"
Why is that "twisted"? If a Pastor concludes that God does not condone [racial] integration I think he should have a right to exclude other races from his church attendance. Just as a home owner should be able to decide who can and who cannot enter his property.
The civil rights movement was funded and coordinated by people who used Christianity as a front. At heart, they are atheists who dream of a world where true Christians are locked up in jail for witnessing and having a Bible. Sorry guy but its true.
Did we breathe nitrogen??
I was trying to look up some things we know about how creatures, even man may have breathed in the past. I thought I'd throw it out.
I think that massive changes happened, leaving our universe in a different state after the flood sometime. Before this I think evolution could happen very fast.
So, I was considering what evidence exists that might say we MUST have used to breathe as we now do, absorbing the oxygen, etc. Could we tell by any evidence anywhere that this was the case? (and I don't mean looking at a chest cavity, and speculating how it must have worked if the past were the same)
One example that made me think of this is trees. In the past, with a different light, and growing process, from what I can tell of the bible (as in the future) trees grew superfast. In a week or so, in cases.
Could they have did something like absorb the nitrogen, and give off more carbon, or some such? If so, looking at carbon levels in the past in trees would yield no results with any real bearing on any real time.
I hear nitrogen is used in keeping apples fresh over the winter. If we are looking for possible causes of man being able to live for a thousand years almost in the past, could this be one area to explore?
If, say, (I don't know, just guessing here) an apple can be kept pretty fresh for up to 7 months, instead of a week or so on our counter, that is a fantastic difference. 7 days on the counter, in this example, versus 210 days with the nitrogen process. Or, a thirty fold increase in "lifespan"!!
If we now live 80 years, rather than, say 950 years, that means about almost a 12 fold decrease in lifespan.
Can this idea, that we adapted to absorb gases differently be ruled out?
[Response to a poster who asked why he should believe Hell exists]
If you don't believe it ("faith"), you will not be forgiven of divine punishment ("justification"), and God shall punish you forever, with absolutely no intention of correcting you ("divine wrath").
God is love, but he also is just. He responds to every error with destructive punishment -- upon the sinner or upon Christ as substitute for those who believe.
[Why should I believe what you say is true?]
If you don't, God will destroy you.
Is this a true or a false statement: Evolution is False? If you could prove Evolution to be ture, then the statement would be false. But science can not prove evolution or anything else to be true. So, if your choice is true or false, then the statement "Evolution is False" would become a true statement.
[Someone comments about how idiotic that statement is above]
Of course what you call "formal logic" we call deception. So don't be so convinced that your "logic" reflects the truth.
The only man worthy of being President...
Michael Savage.
He is an outspoken Nationalist, an American hero; a king amongst mere men! He speaks from his heart and from his head -- no politically correct garbage. And, though a universalist, he does acknowledge the sovereignty of Yahweh. He passes my litmus test.
Unless Jim Gilchrist runs for President, I will probably be writing-in Michael Savage in 2008 for President of the United States.
Marxism in all its forms (including liberalism) must be defeated. Feminism must be defeated. Perverts must be hushed, lest they succeed in their agenda of evil. Abortionists must be hanged. And the marxist Judges responsible for genocide, child rape, and DEFILING the name of THE MOST HIGH GOD, MUST be removed from Society!
May God Bless America!
("I'm all for secession too. But rather than exterminate those leftist ideologies, just send them north.")
I am glad we agree on that. They can have their side, and we can have ours. And when their side dies off from STDs, or starves to death due to lack of food supply, because nobody works, we (the RIGHT side) will take back the land that is rightfully ours.
The CPUSA wants to pollute childrens' minds with the so-called "GLBT" agenda by removing them from parental authority. Also, the CPUSA is not "democratic." A dictatorship of the proletariat can only exist in a single-party state. Meaning, if the CPUSA ever came to power, (and rest assured if it did, my rifle is ready), every other political party would be banned. Moreover, churches would be closed down, because they're part of the "super structure" responsible for a "false conciousness" of the "working class." Communism by its very nature is anti-Christian, and is of the Devil himself.
Have you ever truly taken note to where these natural catastrophes take place? When is the last time you heard of an earthquake or hurricane in Rome or Jerusalem? God chooses to be fair in ways that we can't even begin to understand. I have met people who left areas after natural catastrophes who are better off for having left. All we can ever really say is that He works in mysterious ways.
[On the dating (Based off of written records as well as scientific methods) of acneint Egyptian civilization contradicting the timeframe of Noah's flood]
Perhaps the dating of the Egyptian Dynasties is wrong.
One quick thought... I do remember hearing about the possibility that the foundations of various Gaza Plateau structures (the great pyramids and the sphynx in particular) showed considerable signs of being underwater at some point in history. The book I heard this from was called "Fingerprints of the Gods"... can't remember the authors name, but I definitely remember that he was not a Christian! His book has some very interesting information that could support the idea of a global flood and following ice age as well as, or even better than, his pet theory about crustal slippage.
Do you believe in chance and probability? What are the chances that christian and jewish settlements would manage to not be at major faultlines? Why would such ideologies not take root there? Why would places like communist Cuba be hit hardest by hurricanes? Why would muslim/buddist/hindu/Atheist countries like Indonesia, India, Cuba, etc...constantly be marred by natural catastrophe...only to have the reprocussions of the natural disasters disapate before they can effect neighboring areas?
["It is a big universe to have once been in something smaller than the eye could see, as bangers claim. How do we arrive at that strange place?"]
The only explaination is by a miracle. Things like that just do not happen in the natural world.
But have you looked at individuals and how those individuals are effected by the natural disasters? Just because you live in the 'bible belt', doesn't make you righteous!! Catastrophes happen amongst believers...but God makes sure they are okay...He weeds out unbelievers. [...]
People who trust in God are always better off because of the storm...it is the unbeliever who feels the ill effects.
Often during my break at work I saw my co workers praying bowing down and kneeling being intimate with their God. I asked myself why I can't I be intimate with Jesus.
today was the most awesome day. i was at my youth group worshipping and then i started singing in tongues like a bubbiling sensation. i got on my knees then the feeling started getting so intense that i was shouting in tongues.
and thew worship like quited andi was still shouting... then i feel to the floor and was lauging like i never laughed and everyone was watching me laughing aswelll
it was totally awesoem and my heart feels so clean... it felt so wodnerfl praise god!
when we look at our planet and see all the people on it, it becomes clear that we cannot have the impact that the media says we do. at least in a negative way. look yes i know people that have people have created atomic bombs and other things that can destroy the enviornment but just how will these things lead to global warming??? how can me driving my car every day lead to global warming?? if this theory was as certain as many people want us to believe then perhaps there wouldnt be so much debate about it. my personal belief is that it is just a push cart to move along liberal(enviornmentalist) ideology.
they scream about it every day, global warming!! global warming! more like global nothing. it just doesnt exist. dont you think if we had the ability to destroy the earth then Genesis would tell us to be careful? or God would tell us to stop burning so much 'fossil' fuels???? do you really believe that humans in the past 100 years have created permanent damage to the atmosphere?? what ever happened to that 'hole over the ozone' layer that people always said it exists?? oh thats right, we just dont hear about it anymore...i wonder why..
so which is it, is our output making holes in the ozone, or keeping gasses trapped inside the earth?? and if there was a hole, dont you think the gasses could escape and the earth would get cooler??.?? why wouldnt the hole act like vent and allow global cooling?? i just find the whole talk on global warming to be redeculous and not holding enough weight for us to take seriously..
["I don't think you understand how science and scientific theory work."]
My understanding of it is not going to make it any more right. Perhaps your guilty of what you accuse me of. Perhaps your the one that does not understand science.
Actually I do believe christians have the best track record of all ideologies (especially in America) in the area of tolerance. Why would you single out only christians with this charge? Which group do you think is more tolerant than us? More importantly, which group do you belong to and what is their track record like?
[Arlington TX dress code says students no longer allowed to wear "grillz" or the earlobe-stretching practice known as "gauging."]
its about time someting like this was put into effect. why people choose to worship atheism and its rituals is beyond me to be honest
if hte evidence was as strong as everyone says it is for global warming then more people would believe it. which just seems odd as to me...since if the world was getting hotter then i think we would notice it..but we havent
and as for the hole its just a big contrediction in the theory. i mean first they tell us that gasses create holes which are bad then they say that the gasses actually make us hotter. well which is it?? holes or hotter?????? and if there was holes why wouldnt the gasses be sucked out into the 'vaccum of space'??
["John still hasn't grasped the meaning of falsify and continues to use it incorrectly."]
Falsify is a scientific term, so it has no meaning.
The imagination of Evolutionist's have thus far failed to give them much of a story on the origin of life. So, they prefer to beg out of answering, even though they believe in abiogenesis.
As far as I know, all animals have a brain, heart, and lungs. Where did the heart and lungs come from? Evolutionists usually avoid trying to answer such questions. They prefer to stick to things like "Monkeys sure do look like us?"
[No judge of this plane or the next would ever find Hitler not guilty of genocide, and see to it that he would be punished severly. Anyone else would be either corrupt or foolish.]
well that's the way grace works. and to God, my sins, though i have never killed anyone in my life, are just as bad as Hitler's sins, though he killed millions.
And a black, heterosexual man can view it [gay marriage] as whatever he chooses to. When he stands before God to give an account, it won't be an issue of did you lay everything down to follow civil rights, but did you lay everything down to follow ME, Jesus Christ?
[If Jesus is against civil rights, forget it.]
Jesus is for honoring the Father. Don't think for an instance that a holy Jesus Christ would support that which is contrary to the One with whom He is One.
It may serve the purpose of men on this earth to collectively align themselves behind a cause because it appears to be a civl rights issue. But civil rights...all rights take a back seat to the Word of God.
[RE: ann coulter's book and plagiarism accusations]
how can her book be plagarism?she is telling the truth and since when is telling the truth considered someone elses worth??? should i site the original source for saying 2+2=4????? how about someon saying that global warming doesnt exist??
my point is that when someone tells the truth i do not see why they should site sources especially when they are doing so to save people from going to hell in the first places
Boy it's so much fun talking to people that think you are stupid. Sometimes I wonder how I went from being intellegent, to be so dumb. They I realize, oh that's right. I jumped that line of popular belief into truth.
['I am not worried about aliens. If anything, I think they could help us see how primitive we really are.']
We need help, true. I expect we will get it from an alien invasion from space soon. It will be an army of aliens riding white flying horses, the armies of heaven led by Jesus.
[Note, this guy is defending his faith]
God does not love everyone nor does he desire to save everyone. The preaching of the gospel is a savour of life unto the elect and the savour of death unto the reprobate.
[Did Jesus ever state: "No, I do not believe in Evolution!"?]
Perhaps you would like to explain your theory for the evolution of the virgin birth for us? While your at it, maybe you can also explain the theory of the evolution of the immaculate conception. I am sure that would be of interest for all of us
The Earth is n-millions of years old, but has only been in existence for 6000 years.
Here are my top three favorite questions to Evolutionists:
1. Explain evolution in light of a 6000 year universe - (Genesis 1).
2. Since God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31 - why the need for Evolution?
3. Since Jesus didn't believe in Evolution - (Mark 10:6; 13:9) - why should we?
God is Loving. He is also just. How can God have mercy if he doesn't have wrath? If he doesn't have perfect wrath, than he can't have perfect mercy either.
The Bible favors prevention versus cure. Abortion is a cure for the problem of sexual immorality. Funding for AIDS is the cure for the sin of homosexuality. Welfare is the cure for the sin of pornography that lead to the illegitimate children that leads to the need for welfare. [...]
I favor Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism as a check and balance to each other. Democracy allows choice, Christianity defines the proper choice and Capitalism takes care of those who do not make the proper choice. Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism has made America a great nation and should be an example for every nation of the world. [...]
If you would like assistance with the promotion of Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism I would direct you to Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell as trustworthy Christian men with a world vision.
[So, an all-loving and merciful God will lets millions of people burn in hell because he decided he wouldnt show up for them? You must understand, these people are innocent, they know nothing of Christianty. At all. And your God just decides to not show up for them, therefore condeming them to hell from the day they are born. Quite unmerciful and unjust huh?]
as i said before, God is perfectly within his rights to let all of us go to Hell. so if any one goes to Hell because "God does not show up" as you put ,it is not unmerciful and unjust, it is FAIR. it is what we deserve.
as i keep saying, the people are NOT innocent. they are sinners. they have all done bad things, things that are reprehensible in God's eyes! they deserve to die. we christians do not deserve to be saved. that is the merciful grace of God, that any of the horrible sinners, which is what we are, what I am, are allowed to go to Heaven at all.
[Isnt it also true that your just God would let Hitler himself into heaven, to live in paradise for eternity if he just repented his sins and meant it? So, Hitler, the murderer of millions of Jews gets into heaven, yet all these Jewish people that suffered and died because of him go the hell because they didnt repent....]
it's a very hard thing to face, but yes, this is perfectly true. i don't think you have to worry about that though, because while i don't know men's hearts like God does, i sincerely doubt that Hitler repented of his sins before he blew his brains out. and there are many Jews who have converted to Christianity. There were probably many Jews who died in the Holocaust who were Christians. it's not like Hitler actually cared what the people he slaughtered believed in. he just wanted to commit genocide.
and all those Jewish people who died in the Holocaust and went to Hell would have gone to Hell anyway if they had died natural deaths. Just like all the British people, Africans, Canadians, Muslims, Americans, and any other members of any race, culture or belief system who die without believing in Christ.
[I dont understand how that God you speak of is just and merciful...]
i'm trying to help you understand...
I think we have folks here not living in the same spiritual dimensions. Some evaluate according to how they feel. Not what the Word tells us. It takes time. But, we should not deny what it does say because we still hurt over loved ones who refuse to become a disciple of Christ. They should become "broccoli" to our soul. Something we hate and will not eat. Christ is served and be gobble it up, licking the plate clean.