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kerravon #fundie iidb.org

I was an atheist most of my life, since the age of about 12. After ditching the tooth fairy, easter bunny and santa claus, God was next in line. This was my liberation. I was of the opinion that there was no God, and that all rational people should draw the same conclusion. The only thing that could possibly budge me from my position was EVIDENCE.

Well, in September 2004, I got the evidence. Absolute proof in fact. I got it shortly after I wrote message 666 on the 3rd anniversary of 9/11. Message 666 was the culmination of my 37 years of searching for the words to describe my ideology/religion (as an atheist I was STRONGLY supporting freedom and human rights). You can read about message 666 here (I've posted it before):

<a href="http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html" target="_blank">http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html</a>

However, as you have probably guessed already, the proof that I was given was not independently scientifically verifiable. Which means you have no option other than to dismiss it. Or at most, you can only accept it as a theory. So anyway, here is the "theory":

We are living in a computer simulation, and God is the computer programmer. This model does not require supernatural powers. All it requires is for us to have computer technology more advanced than we have at the moment - Artificial Intelligence for starters. In a 15 billion year history, don't you think it is quite improbable that we happened to be born just when computers, nukes and the internet were invented? And also just when the USSR collapsed opening the way for worldwide freedom. And on a millenium year as well. A mere 1 million years either way would have drastically altered the simulation. Hell, even 1000 years either way would have drastically changed things.

I believe the universe is only a few decades old. God didn't sit around twiddling his thumbs for 15 billion years waiting for us to evolve. The whole thing is simulated. The whole universe is just a "virtual reality". We're probably really on a space ship, and this simulation is being run for entertainment purposes (can you think of anything better than a virtual reality to keep yourself entertained?).

And the reason God doesn't want to prove his existence is so that people will become atheists and be totally free. This is what he wants. He doesn't want to tell people how to live their lives, he wants us to make up our own rules. The only way we can be totally free is if we believe there is no God, or at least, that there's no God who's going to sit in judgement. In actual fact, we are all NATURAL ANIMALS. None of us are sinners. We all act in accordance with our genes, reacting to our environment, and using our imperfect logic skills. None of these things are our fault.

Anyway, my point is that there is definitely an intelligent entity in another dimension to us. So if you're a hard-core atheist, think again, because you're actually wrong (even though I can't scientifically prove that to your satisfaction). You need to update your model and allow for the possibility of a God, and convert to agnosticism instead. BTW, a computer simulation gives a logical reason why we can't reproduce life from raw ingredients - the properties are defined in software, which we don't have access to.

Old Man #fundie iidb.org

The rebellion against God started through Eve's inability to think logically - desire took precedence over reason, but she was not willing to recognize it. Adam simply followed his wife. knowing that it was wrong. A bit like men giving feminism free reign. They know its wrong, but permit it nevertheless.

Buck Swope #fundie iidb.org

One thing that I don't understand about athesits is that they like to claim that there is no evidence that God exists. But it's obvious to me that everything is evidence that God exists.

Magus55 #fundie iidb.org

But again, when you find out Christians are right and your stupid free-thinking individualism - lets express ourself and deny anything else attitudes are shoved in your face by God himself - try not to kick yourself too hard - there will be enough pain in Hell for you. God has the final say not you - deny Him all you want - you will be judged.

xian #fundie iidb.org

do you assume that gravity exists in the Andromeda galaxy? I mean, we see stars moving and such (and moving really fast at the center), but who's to say that gravity is causing it?

Old Man #fundie iidb.org

It [the Bible] also serves as a personal moral code and as a moral basis for enacting legislation. Just as the death penalty is retained for murder, so ought it to be retained for homosexuality. It reflects the seriousness of the crime before God, and its deeply corrupting influence. (Of course the deist/atheist society of today does not recognize this - but then that is its problem.)

Old Man #fundie iidb.org

Women make 2x as much money on divorce as on getting married. Its the same precedence of desire over reason that causes women to get divorced. But why is it unreasonable? For the same reason as it was unreasonable for Eve to eat the fruit.

Old Man #fundie iidb.org

The reason for these laws [in Deuteronomy, such as stoning for adultery and being forced to marry your rapist] was as a deterent to whoredom. It stopped women for playing the harlot. Something that the modern occidental democracy has no answer to - a majority of women turn harlots even before they reach the age of consent in the UK. These days 'women rights' equate to 'the right to play the whore'. And the indulgence in, proclivity to, whoredom, is the principle reason why women cannot and will not believe in God. The feminist today is antichrist in female guise, just as the deist/atheist is the antichrist in male guise.

theophilus #fundie iidb.org

The theory of evolution is held to be 'tenable' only because it offers a possible naturalistic (read anti-theistic) explanation of origins. The theory was not arrived at as the only reasonable explanation for the evidence; indeed much of the 'evidence' did not exist when the Greeks first came up with the idea.

Magus55 #fundie iidb.org

Um, the Babylons wrote on a tablet describing the flood of Noah. I'm very sure that they could have written down the flood as it was happening up until the writer was killed, and the tablet remains as one of the few relics left over before the flood.

Christian #fundie iidb.org

Deut 22:28-29 is also a 'women's rights' law. A man rapes a virgin. In that culture no one would be willing to marry her after that, and so she would live in shame with her parents for the rest of her life. After her parents died she might well have had noone to provide for her. And there were few career options for women back then. Prostitute or begger pretty much covered it. So this horrible thing happens, a man rapes a virgin. What is then to be done about it? What would be the most corrective thing to do about the damage done in that cultural context? What is the most just and moral way to address such a horrible situation once it occurs? Solution ... the man gets stuck with caring for her for the rest of his life. She becomes his wife (which he surely was not looking for) rather than merely being his victim. Instead of the parents having to provide for her in shame the rest of her life, she becomes the WIFE of this man. He's not going to rape very many virgins with this law being enforced. He would go broke very quickly doing so.

Magus55 #fundie iidb.org

Very very bad example of evolution. The bacteria gets 'used' to the antibiotics and eventually becomes immune to it. Same concept as weight lifting. If you keep doing the same exercises over and over with no variation, your muscles will get used to the exercise and never increase. That and evolution is a process of gradual change over long periods of time, not a couple days in your school bio lab.

theophilus #fundie iidb.org

Contrary to your final statement, it is naturalistic atheism which makes knowledge impossible; knowledge of ourselves and of our environment. Only when we presume the God of scripture can we 'know' anything for sure.

Old Man #fundie iidb.org

Judging by the fact that Islam allows unlimited divorce, 4 wives + unlimited maidservants, and the putting to death of anyone who offends Islam, and that the Islamic heaven is full of nubile young women, I can't see there is much difference between wicca and Islam.

Old Man #fundie iidb.org

The most ludicrous proposition that modern legal systems have put forward of late (apart from the suggestion that a wife can be 'raped' by her husband - which is so antithetial to biblical morality that it is suprising the proponents of that law were not struck down by thunderbolts), is the concept that a prostitute can be raped, even after she has entered into a contract for services.

Albert Cipriani #fundie iidb.org

Then how does one explain the origin of the complex courtship rituals of peacocks and men? If evolution favors simplicity, why isn’t rape our standard modus operandi? Certainly it is simpler and more efficient than chocolates and dinner-with-the-parents.

Old Man #fundie iidb.org

No & no, I would never contemplate becoming "friends" with one. They physically repel me. In any case, given that I believe all unrepentant homosexuals over 21 ought to be executed, they are hardly likely to want to be friends with me.

Old Man #fundie iidb.org

The divorce courts are full of women trying to get divorces simply because they have commited adultery (or converted to lesbianism) and want to be rid of their husbands. Desire takes precedence over reason. Men know they should not grant divorces to women under such circumstances. But they do. Its called 'SIN'.

Magus55 #fundie iidb.org

Christianity would have never succeeded had the New Testament been fictional, you don't see 2 billion people running around worshipping Shakespeare, arguably the best fictional writer in history.

Albert Cipriani #fundie iidb.org

You claim the evolutionary process produces both simplicity and its opposite, complexity. That’s having your cake and eating it too. It’d be like some disingenuous Christians who claim that even when God does bad things those actions are really good because God did them. Just as good and evil become meaningless terms when evil can be good and good can be evil depending upon who commits them, so too does the evolutionary process become a non-process if we must believe that it can produce X and also produce the opposite of X.

Magus55 #fundie iidb.org

No the Apostles can't have made it up to make Jesus seem to fulfill all the prophecies since he fulfilled many of them BEFORE he even met the apostles - sorry flawed logic on your part.

malookiemaloo #fundie iidb.org

[After someone says that his logic applies to old spy novels as well]OK James Bond is made up fiction but I just wondered, if God did not exist, what would possess people say He does, let alone worship Him.

Tercel #fundie iidb.org

There's plenty of *some evidence*: Hundreds, thousands, of claims of the supernatural in the world throughout human history; Consciousness; Free will; Concepts; Parsimony; Cosmological argument considerations. No evidence? Wake up and smell the coffee: When are you atheists going to stop ignoring the evidence?

6days #fundie iidb.org

God cannot be a criminal. He is not bound by any laws. I understand that you may not like God's past and present actions but thats life buddy, deal with it.

hungry_student #fundie iidb.org

If you tell someone the truth, and they kill themself...versus if you tell someone a lie and they live on some false hope? Which is better for a productive society? Completely detached from any religious views, couldn't it be advantageous for a government looking to have productive citizens? I'm not saying it is or isn't...just the possibility. If everyone believes that they are part of some higher plan, I'm sure they will work and encourage much better than if they think that their entire world is the product of natural forces.

Radorth #fundie iidb.org

Personally I think the "survival of the fittest" theory has done far more harm to civilized thinking than all the Popes put together. I think Hitler and Stalin used it to justify the slaughter of 50,000,000 people. I don't claim to have direct proof, my suspicions are as sound as those claiming Jesus was anti-semetic and Hitler was a Christian.

Radorth #fundie iidb.org

And maybe one of the true believers can explain how some people 2000 years ago lived to be 100 on lousy diets and bad medicine, and some today die at 50 on good diets with good medicine. When does this natural selection process start to kick in anyway?

thebeast #fundie iidb.org

The pagans don't like me, and I don't like them either. It's a waste of time argueing with someone who believe myths are as true as truth... Nonsense. I talk to scum like the scum they are.

thebeast #fundie iidb.org

Of course, I do realize that argueing with idolaters is absolutely futile, since the reason they don't believe is not for lack of proof, but for the wickedness of their hearts. As Paul said, they are brute animals without reason or logic. And discussion with them is strongly discouraged. Just like the evolution baboons, who think their father is a monkey... showing the quackery of evolution through thousands of proofs won't make a dent in their stupidly held beliefs. They believe in evolution not because it's true, but because it's the ONLY alternative to creation. And despite the overwheling evidence against it, and despite the everwhelming evidence supporting creation, they will believe the lie. They'd reather believe the lies than the truth.

thebeast #fundie iidb.org

Anyway, to a answer the Islami, the reason I don't believe Moaaamud is because he's the only one who claims to have alledgedly spoken to the angel what'shisname...! And according to the law, the testimony of one man is not enough to establish truth, therefore, since not only mohaaamad succeeds in contradicting every book in the bible, he also make such ludicrous comments that he flew a horse... come on! A flying horse. Who the **** do you think I am?

Bede #fundie iidb.org

The Inquisitions did not have an objection to torture in principle but rather insisted it was a last resort when there was plenty of evidence already. Even then, the proceedures had to be followed to prevent lasting injury or prolonged suffering. Effectively, a utilitarian ethic.

Evolskeptic #fundie iidb.org

THAT TEARS IT. Do you people think I’m going to spend hour after hour hunting and pecking away and then hope my finished work meets with the approval of some Hell-bound Darwinphile? FAT CHANCE.

Evolskeptic #fundie iidb.org

[After being flamed for his earlier... comments]Well, I guess my remarks about the 'evil being palpable around here' are easily understood now. Of course this is to be expected when you are dealing with people who have no objective source of morality, and no fear of a Final Reckoning for their actions (yet).

thebeast #fundie iidb.org

One of the usual pagan vomit is that the bible is innacurate and corrupt, to use an islamaniacal idiom. But that is a lie, a bald face lie, that bald face liars have no problems with, parroting their idiocy shamelessly. No the bible is not corrupt, and every word in it is accurate. In fact, the bible is the most accurately transmitted document on the face of the earth, with a multitude of historical documents that attest to the exactitude of todays text. Old Hebrew literal bibles are available with Strong's dictionaries for those who seek to gain better understanding of dark passages. But that wouldn't stop the bible haters from hating it, or accepting it, or reviling it, because truth is not what scum are looking for, they're looking for excuses to hate and to murder, and that's as good an excuse as any.

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