It is not a fallacy to argue that a proposition which is widely held to be true despite lack of definite knowledge is more likely to be true than a proposition which is not as widely held to be true despite lack of definite knowledge. Like betting on the popular horse.
Second, the Bible is very clear and consistent in this message; there is no one born free from the stain of sin. In other words, there are no innocent children in the sight of God. Third, God was not punishing the people of Egypt insomuch as he was redeeming the Israelites. (A means to an end) This is another clear and consistent message found throughout the bible; any redemption of sin must be done by bloodshed (Death).
No one has ever apologized to me for calling my beliefs a lie or the Holy Word of God a myth and a lie, but what the heck I want to be reasonable and peaceable. However, I'm going to make an exception this time. I believe you should call a spade a spade. I am not attacking Sven or you personally in any way and I hope you know this but I believe there are certain aspects of the theory that are very elaborate lies. Lies that even great minds like yours and christians like the man you mentioned get caught up in. Lies that have some empirical evidence to back them up. Lies that in many cases make so much sense its incredible, but if it isn't totally true then the very fabric and weave of the whole thing is a lie. A lie thats designed to lead mens minds away from the very creator of the universe. The most effective deception is ones that contains 90% or more of pure truth and just enough falsehood to be able to dismiss them off hand as inconsiquential (ms)
Slapping a name on a phenomena only gives dull people the illusion of perception. Call our minds what you will, consciousness (which for all I know resides in my big toe), not my brain, is a spiritual function that speaks of The Word.
And there won't be organ music playing [during the Rapture] - it will be trumpets ( and im not even sure unbelievers will be able to hear them).
atheism is impossible you could not possably know that god isnt real if god is everywhere at once when you walk in the room he could of left in to the next one. you would have to be every where at once to know that god isnt real in other words youd have to be god. im not trying to insult any one. but just giving some logic
I think I have the point, the point that Evolution Theory is not reallly based on natural explanation but in supernatural explanation.
In science, we have OCCAM'S RAZOR and science is using it to choose the simplest and best and most fit explanation, BUt in science it doesn't have, I call it, SAMURAI'S RAZOR, distinguishing scientific explanation from naturalistic to supernatural.
If we have this SAMURAI'S RAZOR, we could help our science to maintain its goal to stay always in naturalistic explanation.
Penis and vagina as proof of God? I know it seems vague but think about it. The penis can pee and have semen come out of it. Only a good designer can make it this way. Did it just "evolve" this way? How is that even possible? It is complex. The way babies are made is truly beautiful. Do you think there is no God after watching a baby grow and develop in the womb? How can it just evolve like that?
I imagine there was quite a bit of debris floating around [during Noah's flood] for insects to survive on.
I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt, so I checked it [the huge <A href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/">'29 Evidences for Macroevolution'</A> article at TalkOrigins] out. Now, you tell me why that page gives only opinions and no evidence. All it did was proclaim evidence. Using things like...'The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can be or has been proved with fully 100% certainty, not even that you or I exist, nor anyone except himself, since he might be dreaming the whole thing.'LOL...not honest ones, but bias atheistic ones trying to cover their a$$, yes.Or... 'There is so much evidence in support of this [people evolving from whatever] aspect of primate evolution that it qualifies as a fact by any common definition of the word 'fact.' No facts. No references to support these supposed facts given as opinion. In 'fact' many of the claimed human fossil bones that supported such dribble have been proven to be fakes or hoaxes. And any found genuine human fossil remains have contradicted the theory of evolution. Many of them even taken out of museums to save embarrassment.
If they [his views] are so unsupported, why have I received all of these angry replies? Why be angry at someone for being wrong? Think about this for a moment. If I am wrong, I deserve pity and not hatred/disdain... The fact that I receive the latter is very telling indeed.
Claims? ok call it what you want and believe what you want to believe.As I and about 1 and half other billion muslims will believe in what we know its true... Can you see gravity?Can you see the air? You dont see them but that doesnt mean they are not there.
What do you mean? The egyptians and the chinese were destroyed by the flood to pay for their sins.
The Biblical writers stated that they were speaking for God. Since you have no evidence that they were lying, we can take them to be telling us the truth.
We are all something that you are not and never will be: evolved members of the best people ever to grace this Earth. That is the truth. Eat it.
(Towards a poster recently emigrated from Britain to Canada)
Welcome to Canada. I'm actually opposed to any more immigration (after you) especially peoples unlikely to assimulate. That is third world peoples but also Europeons. Also generally the more different from true Canadians in colour, religion, heritage etc the worst. Most true Canadians would agree with me in Southern Ontario. Its quite bad now. Oakville is a very Canadian area and not ethnic at all.
John Tory said some creationism could be allowed is what I heard.
The search for truth should be allowed in schools. As a foreighner I hope you have full respect for the Canadian peoples desire. After all since you are inheriting our achievment and society you owe us.
['I thought that Schiavo was in a vegetative state.']
I thought that having club feet is not worthy of being kept alive.
Again, Schiavo was only the beginning. If you think that a "vegetative state" is not worthy of life, then why should a person with club feet be allowed to live?
BTW... Schiavo was not in a "vegetative state". Such a term is deplorable, and is Himmlerian.
I don't like the word evolve but rather adapt.
Yes I think adaptation takes place instantly. Dolphins would of gone from land to sea in say five years after the flood.
The evidence that creatures change from one state to another is excellent. Only the mechanism and time is a problem.
I believe that marsupials are just the same creatures as elsewhere on the planet. So important, if minor, change can take place quickly. As long as a creature stays within its kind. Whatever that is.
The verse in the bible is correctly interpretated as giants of the deep and not whales.
Could you people at least make a tiny effort to understand the one religion you bash endlessly? How do you expect to ever persuade anyone out of ignorance?
When we got to the [Mexican] border, it was raining and really gloomy outside. I prayed for some sunshine for the duration of my stay in my mom's hometown. When we finally did get there, it was sunny and the sky was blue with only a few clouds. It stayed that way until the day I left. That morning, it began to rain and the sky became cloudy again. There isn't any rational explanation I can offer as to why this happened, but it did happen.
LOOK: Naturalistic science had already labeled humans as animals, why not ask every human if they really evolve or created or not? If both nature and species (except humans) can't talk, why bother to make them as standard in changes of species?! HUMANS can talk, can express themselves...then, ask them. If they all say that they had evolved from lower forms of animals, then, it is natural that humans are the product of evolution process! Then, Evolution is really natural.
Just because I do not think like you does not mean your way is the ONLY way to think NOR the RIGHT way.
I suggest world peace will never be achieved as long as talking and praying "annoys the hell" out of atheists.
Also, this usually makes me think the bible must be true, as why would people argue so vehemently against that which they feel confidently is untrue? Thankyou for increasing my faith.
You Athiests really can't handle the truth can ya. Move my thread, close my thread, and worse CAN'T ANSWER MY THREAD... how just and fair of you ATHIESTS or if I'm not spelling it write, I'll call you what the Bible rightly calls you FOOLS.
Why a big bang, why not just a bang, or a little bang... why couldn't the bang be the size of a pea. Why wouldn't the bang keep on banging, what set the paramerters of the size of this bang for it to be any size that it can be claimed to be a big bang or is that claim false, if its false why claim it to be a big bang. Sounds like a bit of spice put on something to sell me something... Well i aint buying it. i'm sure there are a lot of fools that have.
Addressed to all Angry, Obscene & Offensive Atheists: I am David Mathews and have come here to provoke you to reveal your anger, your bitterness, your hate, your bigotry, your prejudice and every other flaw of your dismal and hopeless soul. The more obscene and offensive you are the better. Don't restrain yourself. Let go of your inhibitions!
I realized just how poor of a job I was doing living my life. It became painfully obvious that I could not do what I should be doing on my own, I needed help... God has a way of breaking you down to make room for Him... hopefully Jesus will find you <u>in the same way</u>. [Emphasis added]
I am not in a cult. I am a born again, bible-believing Christian! That is not a cult! To all of you, I can say on judgment day that I told you that GOD was real, but you just mocked me. You will see that GOD is real when you see HIM as your judge. It will be too late for you to accept HIM then, so I urge you to please accept HIM now!
That seams improper to me, the more proper term would just be bang since they chose to stay with a term based on exageration i have just reason to remain skepitcal and that there are other motivations at work here. Don't be a sucker dude, there fooling you they don't want your pie to go to the chuch they wan't it to go to them. Find out the real reason why the theroy is still call the big bang...
It won't do any good to quibble about how 'successful' naturalisitc science has been. This can only be attributed to pure chance.
Evolution Theory (ET) is not natural science. It is supernatural, fable, mythological, and pokemon-styled- science.
I can prove it.
Now, I am a Christian.
Why do jews go back and forth on this issue? Oh that's right, they are only a religious group when it suits them, and both when it suits them.
It don't hurt anything to believe in Jesus Christ and it ends up being a lie.
40 million babies have been killed because stupid people who don't take responsibility don't feel like dealing with them. And you criticize God for killing children in the flood?
In the Bible it states that ocne adam and eve sinned they realized they were naked and covered up. They didn't want to be seen naked. Now if this never happened what is the purpose of wearing clothes?
Humans intuitively know about God in the same way chickens instinctively know how to peck. It's part of our nature. That's why atheism is intellectually an unnatural act... If your children lacked the imagination to have invisible friends, that’s too bad.
['Hypothetically, if someone were to show you sufficient proof that it is likely that no deities exist, what would you do?']
I don't know, I guess I would probably have sex with as many pretty women as possible and cheat on my taxes and few other things that I thought I could get away with without getting caught. I would also try to make as much money as possible by just about any means possible, ie using other people as stepping stones. And just live for immediate gratification.
So, you see nothing wrong with homosexuality.
Let me also ask you then if you see anything immoral or wrong with predators approaching minors for sex?
[...] A creationist scientist is bound by religious conviction to be honest with himself and others about the evidences of science. For a creationist scientist, lying about or intentionally misrepresenting evidence for or against evolution would be a serious sin. However, there is no such safeguard for evolutionist scientists. Without religious conviction, they are left with only intellectual conviction, which the world demonstrates is often weak when passions come into play.
[...] We have seen a number of haxes generated by non-believer evolutionists. There has not been to my knowledge a hoax generated by a creationist scientist.
Are you guys for real? Do you really think YOU, mere human beings, can prove that God is not omnipotent? Or is this some sort of mind game to promote the illusion that you're omnipotent? And you wonder why you can't go to a heaven that HE created? Do you know how many variables that you're leaving out? Do you even have a clue? Do you think that no superior reasoning exists beyond your own minds? Your first mistake is your premise that God cannot prove God. He has to me! Whoever thought of that statment was a human being who is trying to think his wisdom and logic are superior to God's. God will definitely show him that he does NOT run the universe.
The Bible is truth because it is the word of God. Many Biblical accounts have been proven to be accurate by modern atheist scholars
Birds evolved from dinosaurs!!! REally??? The Bible says birds were created FIRST!!! Where is the concept of Evolution in all this? Dinosaurs finally got smaller, and grew wings that couldn't work? What sort of brainwashing does it take to believe this stuff???
What about this, you have just come across a father beating his child are you going to abuse him(the father) and take away his rights like he is doing to the child... How is it moral you ask, is it moral that two wrongs make a right
Well I'll tell you what I personally think, I don't really subscribe the implication of God or a designer, just an intelligent cause...this intelligent cause is the soul-mind. The DNA directly correlates to the soul-mind....the DNA changes are based chiefly on this energy....this is how evolution happened...I've been experimenting with this thought-energy for a while so I bet if I had a microscope and some equipment I could really prove it...but biology is not my major I'm not really that interested in biology as much as other things
Marriage is a bond of love and unifying sexual union. Two gays cannot have this, because there is no sexual union between two people, there is no procreation, or the sembelence thereof.
You focus on the allowed beating of slaves. If slaves are lazy and insubordinate then they need some incentive to work (i.e. a beating). The bible doesn't tell masters they must beat their slaves. It says beating is allowed, being that it is necessary as an incentive to work. In fact, some slaves became slaves voluntarily, and thus were probably effecient workers for their masters. They probably never needed incentive to work because they knew what they were getting in to, thus beatings weren't necessary. Some slaves even chose to stay a slave under their master instead of being set free. Why? Were they sadist or masochist? No, I'm sure they had pleasant relationships with their masters because they did what was asked of them and needed no beatings as incentive.
If there were not a real God, there would be no reason to have counterfeits.
If all slaves were treated appropiately and correctly... there would be no negative connotation applied to slaves or slavery. But, since many slaves were abused, killed, raped, maimed, etc., which was not in accordance with the bibles regulations, there has been a negative association applied to 'slavery' and 'slaves.'
If the theistic evolutionist refuses to answer, or relegates God to the background (thinking him not worth the bother because he isn't empirically detectable), then it is clear that we are dealing not with a theist, but a Darwinist who happens to be agnostic. Again, it would seem that the theistic evolutionist attempts to reconcile what cannot possibly be joined together.