Let's talk darwinism 101. All that crap you just articulated has nothing to do with basic evolution of the species. Do you even have a degree?
I don't mean to sound condescending but maybe this rhetorical question will give you a clue: How do both humans and birds dodge falling objects without knowledge of the mathematical laws of gravity?
If you say there is no reason to believe in theistic evolution, I will agree with you. I find theistic evolution the best way to keep my cherished beliefs without having to go to war against the facts. Theistic evolution is a compromise, certainly, but it's the only way to keep vital faith without resorting to creationism. If someone should convince me that theistic evolution is an untenable position, I will inevitably become a creationist, because full-fledged materialism is for me not an option.
And again, you are basing your views on society. God is not part of human society. He isn't bound by our laws or morals, He created them and He can break them.
Can you be certain that those detained individuals in those pictures [of Nazi death camps] did not do one of the following... sexually enslave children... commit ritual child homicide... preside over the slaughter of innocent eastern European farmers... practice usery... profit from gambling...?
You sound like the evolutionists. They laugh at the creationists who demand that evolution be subject to empirical tests to determine its validity. They laugh because they cannot prove evolution using empirical experiments and all they can do is laugh. I suspect that you are laughing at Berggy because you have no means to disprove that which he says.
What's to say 'God' can do whatever he wants, considering he's able to do everything that is not against his nature? (so no 'can god make a toilet that he couldn't flush himself down it?' type of questions). Tell me some scientific discoveries as a direct result of atheism. Evolution? Woo. How practical.
Try putting the shoe on the other foot someone comes into your family telling you that you should rasie your children how they think is best... what if this preson is wrong and your children end up worse off... Give me an honest answer and you will belive the same thing as me not to interfere
I think its kinda hypocritical that school would teach evolution and not about God, evolution is not a fact its a belief no doctor, scientist ect have any cold hard facts that evolution took place so they have to have faith to believe that, so in a way its a religion, that is teached around in school. at least God is a more intelligent argument I mean the World cannot get up and say well im going to make myself today...
I don't think you're going to have that bold of an attitude while you're standing in a puddle of your own urine [at the final judgement].
He didn't have enough information to come to the correct conclusion, therefore he ought to have concluded the same thing that everyone else concluded. It was the safest bet. And it turned out to be wrong. This is the whole point of Pascal's Wager, if you'll recall. If you're wrong, it's better to be on the safe side.
Prophecies are symbolic. They will be accurately fulfilled, but not literally
... another reason I think its heretical. The RCC wants nothing more than more money. They aren't out to bring anyone to Christ, only to raise finances to fund the Pope's mansion.
Christianity is the only one that passes 'the logic test.' As hard as you may try, I doubt that you can really show the other religions to be very logical at all. Take Islam for example... Wow, who would want to worship THAT god? Oh, and it has both 'love the Jew' and 'slay the infidels' in the same book. We have the Old Testament, aye, with killing in it, but remember that that was judgement upon the tribes of Caanan that was their own fault... Hinduism:.. they can't even decide who to worship!.. Buddhism: Look at it...yeah. Taoism: Doing nothing is the best way to gain oneness with the tao... Wow, 'go with the flow' at its best... Ask any theoretical physicist about entropy, the proven tendency for the universe to go from order to chaos, and you'll see that this tao is a load of cow... Rastafarianism: Black people rule, kill the whities...
[Replying to (paraphrased) 'Unnatural?! Here are some gay animals']At this time are those lesbian monkeys in China making a legal stand to have their marriage recognized so they can obtain tax and other benefits?
Atheists are funny when they become offensive. No doubt about it. Atheists are a whole lot more entertaining when they are emotional, obscene and irrational.
Homosexuals assert that they are 'born' homosexual. If true, this is obviously some sort of defective genetic mutation... Further, since homosexuals, by nature, cannot reproduce, which aids in the survival of the species, why should any rights be granted them period?
Isn't telling a fictional story, something which isn't real, per definition a lie?
But what if you are wrong. I know its practically impossible to prove either way, BUT WHAT IF?
[Replying to 'we SEE gravity']no we don't. we see movements of stars. we assume gravity is causing it. why do you assume that?
The reality is that not only can't scientists prove things 'absolutely,' they can't prove anything period. The selection of one theory as an explanation over another is purely arbitrary.
It would be hard to imagine a more inverted view of reality. *Evolution* (!?) is a compelling explanation for biology? You've got to be kidding. Have you been living in a cave or something?
Europeans in general were singled out, and the reasons are contained in the talmud, 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,' etc.
[On the "Crying" Virgin Mary in Sacramento, 'For men who have been seeing hoaxes like this for years, an explanation is impossibly easy.']
Hoax? You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all the time. Do you think that Christians are morons who will believe everything and anything they are told?
Because sin is a crime, and must be punished. Why is shoplifting illegal? Its a free country isn't it?
Answer me this, if the Bible contradictions represent such a clear proof of its unworthiness, then why is it that scholars on both sides of the fence continue spending entires lives investigating the matter? You don't see anyone spending their life investigating the phlogiston theory or the blood humors theory any more, do you?
Fraid so, it shows that the problem is probably anti-semitism on [Jewish Bible scholar Richard] Friedman's part.
Tell me, you all knowing atheist non creationists, how did the primordial soup decide what an eye would look like or how it should function or an ear or a nose?
How did the primordial soup determine that there should be millions of different species of fish, fowl and mammal etc? and what they should look like, act, behave, build nests etc. etc. etc.?
How did just two microscopic thingamajigs get together and say, Hey, we need to make an elephant! Yes, and this is how it should look. Let's give it huge ears, eyes, a trunk for a nose, tusks etc.? Then two other microscopic thingamajigs also got together and decided that there needs to be monkeys. Then to more and this went of until there were millions of pairings of two thingamajigs that each decided to make an entirely separate animal.
What you in fact are doing is deifying the primordial soup. Maybe you atheists should worship pond skum?
Delusion is believing in something in the face of contrary evidence...all the evidence shows us that what the current evidence shows is not the actual truth, it also shows us that an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and that there are many things that are true that there is no evidence for....yet atheists do not believe these things anyway....
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Ah, speaking in tongues. Glossolalia. "Strings of meaningless syllables made up of sounds taken from those familiar to the speaker and put together more or less haphazardly".
For the millions of other Christians babbeling nonsense and deceiving themselves - yes. But I claim to be perhaps the only Christian who can speak a proper language I don't understand. Listen to it at http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TongueSpeaker
[Arguing against genetic algorithms and evolution]
Think about it for a minute: Software does not exist on the computer, but rather in the minds of software engineers.
(On 14-16 year olds getting pregnant)
It is beneficial for dumb fucks to be forced to live with the consequences of their dumb fuckery.
If I were an atheist...
I'd live a life of debauchery and then commit suicide.
You are the Professer. In your knowledge of the hand/biology/medicine what is a specific gain from an evolutionary premise that has progressed the hand medicine.
Of coarse I think there has been nothing and evolution has just hitched a ride on actual biologists achievments.
Well, let me ask you a question.
If there really is no evidence for creationism, why would creationists insist there is? They can find evidences of the biblical flood and other such Bible claims, but why do they? Could it be because there is evidence? If there was ABSOLUTELY NONE, why do they make good cases about the age of fossils and such things?
[Did any part of "Internet Infidels" tip you off that "godliness" might not be an important standard of behavior here?]
thats no reason not to be godly
Hello Atheists, I am inclined to tolerate you people and must say that atheism is not inherently offensive to me.
You atheist types are such hypocrites. Anytime a theists says something they believe, atheist say, 'but it doesn’t say that'. But when they pull some cockeyed crap out of their hat to ask a question as absurd as 'was Jesus gay?' they want to twist stuff every which way they can. And even still you have others thinking he was married. 'But—but—his mom told him they were out of wine at a wedding. It had to be his wedding.' 'Well—well—he was Jewish, and most Jewish are married.' 'But, Mary Magdelen hung around him a lot. She must have been his girl.' Puullleeeassee. I swear, you atheists will do anything to pervert the truth. And you wonder why you are despised by most of society.
[Replying to 'Homosexuality does not hurt people']Tell that to the woman who comes home to find her husband in bed with another man.
The divorce courts are full of women trying to get divorces simply because they have commited adultery (or converted to lesbianism) and want to be rid of their husbands. Desire takes precedence over reason. Men know they should not grant divorces to women under such circumstances. But they do. Its called 'SIN'.
[Replying to a sarcastic "The Official Atheist Handbook takes no position on Jesus' sexuality"]You mean there is an official atheist handbook? So it has become a religion...thats incedible. Sorry about that last post, it just kind of steamed me a little. My brother tried to stop me. I guess Vinnie is so infatuated with the idea[of a gay Jesus], because he himself may be gay. I wasn't thinking of that. My appologies.
[When the actor in Mel Gibson's movie about Jesus got struck by lightning twice in a row]...being hit twice, on the same set, and 2 different times relatively close to each other is beyond astronomical. I know atheists love to dismiss astronomically rare events as mere coincidences, but being struck by lightning while playing the most controversial character, in the most controversial movie ever made, and walking away with barely a scratch both times is beyond coincidence.
Certainly adultery should be made a criminal offence, possibly punishable by death, at the instigation of the husband.
[Derailing a thread on a support forum]Its no joke! Atheists are not prepared to give advice on how to live one's life.
It is not a fallacy to argue that a proposition which is widely held to be true despite lack of definite knowledge is more likely to be true than a proposition which is not as widely held to be true despite lack of definite knowledge. Like betting on the popular horse.
Second, the Bible is very clear and consistent in this message; there is no one born free from the stain of sin. In other words, there are no innocent children in the sight of God. Third, God was not punishing the people of Egypt insomuch as he was redeeming the Israelites. (A means to an end) This is another clear and consistent message found throughout the bible; any redemption of sin must be done by bloodshed (Death).
No one has ever apologized to me for calling my beliefs a lie or the Holy Word of God a myth and a lie, but what the heck I want to be reasonable and peaceable. However, I'm going to make an exception this time. I believe you should call a spade a spade. I am not attacking Sven or you personally in any way and I hope you know this but I believe there are certain aspects of the theory that are very elaborate lies. Lies that even great minds like yours and christians like the man you mentioned get caught up in. Lies that have some empirical evidence to back them up. Lies that in many cases make so much sense its incredible, but if it isn't totally true then the very fabric and weave of the whole thing is a lie. A lie thats designed to lead mens minds away from the very creator of the universe. The most effective deception is ones that contains 90% or more of pure truth and just enough falsehood to be able to dismiss them off hand as inconsiquential (ms)
Slapping a name on a phenomena only gives dull people the illusion of perception. Call our minds what you will, consciousness (which for all I know resides in my big toe), not my brain, is a spiritual function that speaks of The Word.
And there won't be organ music playing [during the Rapture] - it will be trumpets ( and im not even sure unbelievers will be able to hear them).
atheism is impossible you could not possably know that god isnt real if god is everywhere at once when you walk in the room he could of left in to the next one. you would have to be every where at once to know that god isnt real in other words youd have to be god. im not trying to insult any one. but just giving some logic
I think I have the point, the point that Evolution Theory is not reallly based on natural explanation but in supernatural explanation.
In science, we have OCCAM'S RAZOR and science is using it to choose the simplest and best and most fit explanation, BUt in science it doesn't have, I call it, SAMURAI'S RAZOR, distinguishing scientific explanation from naturalistic to supernatural.
If we have this SAMURAI'S RAZOR, we could help our science to maintain its goal to stay always in naturalistic explanation.