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various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Marjorie Taylor Greene Misgenders First Openly Trans Congresswoman Sarah McBride: 'He's A Man'

( Riothamus )
2012: Republicans tell ridiculous lies to attack Democrats. Electoral failure.

2024: Republicans tell the even more ridiculous truth to attack Democrats. Electoral success.

This is what happens when you insist 2+2=5 and punish those who object.

( NastasyaFillipovna )
"Math is Racist" was sadly not an onion article

( sylviasmushrooms )
I was trying to explain the other day that gender woo is just as absurd and lacking in credibility as flat earth theory. Conservatives believe a LOT of nutty things, but the left has handed them gender theory on a golden platter to make THEM, of all people, look like the clearheaded ones who aren’t blinded by emotion and faith and are able to just say the absolutely obvious truth.

I’m mad at anyone who gives the nuttiest conservatives that gift, honestly.

( NastasyaFillipovna )
Because they think they won't be the one who would be effected by this shitty ideology. TiMs are not on the face of come corporate executive ( remember that budweiser female executive who pushed Mulvaney ? ) shouting It's Mam!. They are clashing with working class who have to use the public restrooms, working as customer support directly interacting with TiMs.

( Begbie )
Can we also discuss this “openly” transgender description. Really? Tell me who the closeted ones were. They are trying to normalize the “trans people have always existed” thing even in the headline.

Now, do I think there have been transvestites in congress, yes. But sensibly, in the past, nobody would have voted for someone who dressed like this publicly. I prefer those days.

( Toseland )
Men dressed up as women may have always existed - but in the 1970s we called them perverts and took care to bring our laundry in, in case it was stolen!

( NastasyaFillipovna )
Rembmer Silence of the Lambs ?

( Iggyana )
Cross dressing is a common fetish of serial killers. Buffalo Bill was a compilation of many real world serial killers.

( readfreak )
There has always been transvestites. It's just that in the past they had the good sense to only do it at home in private, and in the 60s they got arrested for cross-dressing in public. A lot of cross dressers have more than one paraphilia, and a lot of serial killers have been cross-dressers.

eatmypussy & Jane_Merrydaughter #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Are we nearing mass peak trans? Is the tide turning?

( eatmypussy )
Recent legislation has made me extremely optimistic. (Almost all gender critical legislation is coming from the Republican Party though, as Democrats continue to double down on gender ideology and alienate voters). Regardless of which party is passing it, we should celebrate the progress we've made in the U.S to protect women's sex-based rights!

When it comes to gender critical legislation, we've come a long way from 2019. A few examples:

- 25 states now ban TIMs from competing in women's sports. This is a huge change from 2019, when 0 states had this legislation in place.
- 22 states ban the chemical castration of minors ("puberty blockers") and ban butchers from performing double mastectomies / phalloplasty / vaginoplasty on children. A HUGE WIN for child safeguarding!!
- 10 states have some version of a bathroom bill on the books which enshrine in law that bathrooms and locker rooms are single-sex facilities
- 7 states ban the teaching of gender ideology in K-12 schools (unfortunately, teaching about LGB is also censored as a result, as the TQ have linked themselves via the alphabet soup)
- 3 states have passed the WoLF sponsored Women's Bill of Rights in 2023, with more posed to pass it this year
- 2 states restrict drag performances from being performed around children
Half the country has made enourmous progress on this issue. I hope the Democrats will be forced to come around eventually as more of their base peaks.

( Jane_Merrydaughter )
I think the popular feminist schism has occurred at last, and that is a major development.

We are

Sex feminists

Gender identity feminists

I also think the TQ+ tail is falling off the LGB as people tease out for themselves that sexuality and “gender identity” have duck all to do with one another.

It’s pretty much double down or think your way out.

As a sex feminist, trans men and women in detransition are welcome to hang at my wimmins camp, and let this be a lesson to us all about why single-sex cultural and institutional spaces are critical.

I love that the final question in the Kathleen Stock lecture at UATX is a women’s college student asking about a revival of women’s colleges.

I say “Let’s go.”

Ground up.

If Bari Weiss can do it, why not a band of merry sex feminists of Ovarit?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Crowd cheered as two transgender women were attacked at Minneapolis rail station, advocates say

( dasehe )

After overhearing a group making derogatory remarks toward them at the station at Hennepin Avenue and Fifth Street in downtown Minneapolis, the pair “confronted” the group, which led to a “physical altercation,” Minneapolis Police told The Independent in a statement.

They should not have been attacked, but I'm not really interested in giving energy or compassion to TIMs at the moment. It's a very male response though.

( Joedi )
The last thing actual women would do is confront a bunch of men who were making derogatory remarks towards them.

( Mandy )
So a bunch of men got into a fight.

( notapatsy )
Exactly. Male behavior on both sides. If the two "transwomen" were really women, there is no way they would have confronted a crowd of men.

( shewolfoffrance )
See, it's because of incidents like this that I don't think TiMs are really that scared of male violence. They're definitely more cautious about starting something with other men, but they aren't exactly quaking in their sparkly pink boots. They like provoking a reaction and, if anything, they're more aggressive than the average man.

( hard_headed_woman )
People who are being "genocided" don't start fights.

( Carrots90 )
This works against our cause. Figures men will F this up

I mean, let’s see what the real story is.

[...]

This is a trans activist wet dream. Finally some transphobia to activate the activists.

Demand has been way outstripping supply when it comes to violence against TIMs. They are overwhelmingly perpetuating it

( Lillith )
Oh, I don't know. Being kind hasn't won us anything useful. Maybe this will drive some of them indo hiding or discourage others from ever transitioning.

And if the hecklers get away with it, it may make ppl less fearful of letting gender specials know how they really feel about them.

( Elizabelch )
We don't need this witch-hunt bullshit any more than we need men in women's restrooms.

However, the TIMs certainly got the female experience there. They'll have to learn to handle this like women do: Read the situation and most of the time, choose to ignore instead of escalate.

( neonbandit )
Must be nice to have male bone density when being attacked too.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

JK Rowling is on a roll today!
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( MardyMcMare )
She sounds a lot freer now compared with her carefulness just a couple of years ago. She knows she’s on the winning team, and has the support of millions of women. I admire her so much!

( LizardQ )
I think she genuinely tried to extend good faith to trans people...and they gave her nothing in return. They went full mask off. These fuckers seriously kill any goodwill that comes their way with their absolutely insane demands. People are waking up. JK is amazing. So eloquent and always spot on. She rules.

( Spencer_Shayy )
It's sad, but it's the path most traveled. At one point, we all tried to extend an olive branch to "trans" people - only to be beaten, threatened, insulted, degraded, dehumanized, and attacked by them in return.

"Trans" people create "transphobes".

( MardyMcMare )
”Trans" people create "transphobes".

This is so true. The more I “get to know” them - as I was advised to - the more repulsed I feel.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Yup. It wasn't "TERFs" who made me hate "trans" people. It was "trans" people. Their horrid behavior, their vile beliefs and evil ideology... they go against everything I stand for.

( Gray )
Relatable. I felt a lot of empathy at first for those feeling gender dysphoria because of course I could relate to it. I think a large majority of women and girls in the world do relate to not wanting to be female at least a few different points in our lives, for a variety of reasons. I still even feel some empathy for the TIFs who aren’t too far gone and unhinged. But the type of mental illness that TIMs is very different. It’s terrifying. And the way that TIPs and TRAs rally together to be abusive towards primarily the women who speak up against them. It disgusts me so much. I don’t have much empathy left for them no matter how much I try.

( proudcatlady )

Man isn’t a slur

Well they can be forgiven for thinking it is. If someone called me a man I’d be super offended. Worst group of people on the planet.

ApricotThoughts, Mari11 & Wsbfom01 #transphobia ovarit.com

Can men breastfeed is asking the wrong question

( ApricotThoughts )
Men want to "breastfeed" for the same reason they want to "menstruate." The are both faux/foe activities (foes to women and children). They are simulating women's experiences to experience sexual arousal, if not in the moment, then afterwards.

These men breastfeed with the baby as a sex toy. Once they've established "sex toy" status for the child, when does it stop? Wide open for continuing sexual abuse, even at a low level - the child has been sexualized, how does a man with a sexual fetish walk that back for the sake of the child?

Taking pictures of themselves doing this is porn for other men.

( Mari11 )
That’s the biggest red flag to me. I’d never publish photos of my toddler breastfeeding because I know there are gross freaks out there that would use it for nefarious purposes. I’m suspicious of anyone who publishes those sorts of photos on social media (some mums are just naive I guess but I’m sure these men doing it must know)

( Wsbfom01 )
Men have breasts yes, but the breast tissue is not as developed compared to a woman. If you have to induce both the growth of the breast tissue along with the production of milk with massive amounts of hormones and other medicine can you really say that it’s healthy and safe? Where are the studies showing that the milk produced by a transwoman is sufficient and healthy for a child? Is it really ethical? The study they love citing is based on a group made up of women who were not pregnant , trans identified females and trans identified males.

Woman who can’t produce milk are simply told to give formula and even women who breastfeed have to stick to a specific diet.

I don’t see the point of supporting this abomination just for the sake of “gender euphoria”. The funny thing is that if they ever manage to normalize this they’ll immediately want something else, menstruation , giving birth etc. they’ll never be satisfied , because they’re chasing something unattainable.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The idea that people who don't support gender ideology are on the far-right

( LunarMoose )
People live in such bubbles. If I went to a local coffee shop in my very liberal town and said anything mildly GC - chances are I'd be asked to leave.

Add to that, the media are captured. They are all 20 somethings who don't believe in journalism. I watched libs of tiktok and Taylor Lorenze (sp?) talk about trans-trends in kids. Libs was disappointing (she wasn't in command of the facts) and neither was Taylor (a left wing 'journalist'). She had NO CLUE. I don't think she's ever even researched the issue - despite the fact that she writes about it all the time.

( worried19 )
It's a deliberate attempt to paint us as villains. Because to most liberals, conservatives are villains, so if someone doesn't have the "approved" view on gender ideology, TRAs have decreed that it must be because we're conservative in our hearts.

I'm a moderate overall, and I think moderates, liberals, and conservatives should be able to agree on how badly gender ideology is affecting women and children for many of the same reasons. It's wrong to sterilize kids. I think all sides can agree on that because we all believe kids have the right to grow up with their bodies intact and not altered by hormonal disruption.

( Gwenllian )
I think it is because the gender brigade have attached themselves like a rabid limpet to the left, they automatically view any dissent as being right wing.

Ironically their ideology of womanhood being a commodity they can purchase is capitalism on steroids. Their pursuit of privileges that take away women's rights, history and ability to protest is downright fascism. They attempt to convert lesbians and gays using brutal medical means. Forced speech and behaviour. Disobedience is punished severely through violence and censorship. They try to indoctrinate young children to their ideology. They disregard safeguarding procedures in favour of male sexual fetishes.

So it makes me wonder...how in the hell can they consider themselves left wing?

( Autumn-Aprodithe )
Gender ideology is all about letting men in drag invade our spaces as a birth right. I'm not right or left, I am a Matriarchy supporter.

Syndaballet #transphobia ovarit.com

"Big Brother" "Star" reports J.K. Rowling for "thoughtcrime"
So I just finished reading Orwell's 1984 and the irony can't be lost that a "Big Brother" "Star" has reported J.K. Rowling to the Thought Police.

So in the book, the children of the Party undergo "elaborate mental training" and in "Newspeak" terms, this involves "crimestop, blackwhite, and doublethink." Crimestop is where one realizes one is thinking a thoughtcrime and must censor oneself immediately.

The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought.

If you've ever been an active member in leftist spaces, you know exactly what this feels like. To even entertain the idea that a TiM shouldn't be in some women's sports for example would be a heresy.

Then blackwhite, which is literally training onself to believe that black is white or 2 and 2 make 5, if that's what the Party says to believe.

Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.

And honestly to believe a man can be a woman, to know a man can be a woman, and stopping yourself from believing or ever saying otherwise, has quite clearly been warned against in one of the most prescient dystopian novels to have been written.

I do recommend reading 1984 by George Orwell. I will note that the book can be extremely misogynistic at times, but I think it makes sense in a book where everyone is literally trained to be, as the book describes, stupid and hateful.

Big Brother is Watching. Let's see what the Thought Police verdict against J.K. Rowling brings. If the result is dystopic, I believe we need to react accordingly.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Transgender-rights advocates say the election of Trump and his allies marks a major setback

( hard_headed_woman )
Well, at least we have one thing to celebrate!

( mathlover )
Let's hope it's a permanent setback.

( Mandy )
So sad. No special rights for the transgenders. Now they'll just have to make do with having the same rights as everyone else. Much unfair, very oppression.

( GenXer )
They're completely out of touch with reality. And, finally, it's being noticed by the greater population.

( Lillith )
I wish Trump would go after trans intrusions as hard as he went after women's choice.

( shewolfoffrance )
I remember when he banned them from serving in the military. At the time, I was a good liberal, but in retrospect it's perfectly sensible to ban men and women who will be lifelong medical patients, and, more often than not, are extremely emotionally unstable.

MaryDyer, crodish & Elle_x_oh #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Are we nearing mass peak trans? Is the tide turning?

( MaryDyer )

Public support for LGBTQ is declining (likely due to the TQ)

It’s absolutely due to the TQ. Public support for stuff like gay marriage was at an all time high until the freaks started changing the meaning of words, demanding access to spaces that they are rightly excluded from, issuing violent threats to anyone who didn’t bow down to their demands, dismantling common sense protocols like safeguarding of children, teaching a new, warped, regressive, highly controversial ideology to children as though it’s undisputed fact, making an effort to alter the very way that humans identify and address one another, as well as the ability to perceive and react to threats, defending literal rapists and murderers simply because of their magic genderfeelz, etc.

( crodish )
I've seen increased homophobia all around too, and not just trans-flavored homophobia ("lesbians can like dick" etc). Shit like "this is why we should never have let the gays marry" and "slippery slope is a fallacy my ass". The downfall of it constantly being marketed as "the LGBTQIA2S++" is that the LGB are forever collateral damage. Also doesn't help that as many LGB people want nothing to do with TQ rubbish, that there ARE LGB people who have been caught up in it, along with the spicy straight and queer with extra steps crowd. It's a fucking ugly mess. Everything wrong with the "LGBTQIA" movement can be traced back to "TQ" roots. They've made everyone associate "gay lifestyle" with "pedophilia" and "weird" again, the VERY THINGS gay people were fighting so hard to destigmatize.

Sorry I could rant about this forever.

( Elle_x_oh )
While I can appreciate the global move against trans creep and the efforts of all sane people fighting against it...I can't wait for the day when the members of my family, who at the moment don't talk to me, actually peak themselves.

WrongToy #transphobia ovarit.com

Trump invites 'brave' women's swim team that 'stood up to' transgender athlete to rally stage

As someone else said, the Dems could have and should have fixed this issue in their party after 2016 as it was said then that Obama’s pro trans policy sent voters to Trump. Instead, their pushback under Biden was inviting Mulvaney to the White House, hiring old AGP Richard Levine as a senior health official backing child transition, and trying to ram through an equality act ensuring all women’s spaces and sports would be Tim infested. Oh, and then the Easter party where some Tim flashed his boobs next to a couple of bare chested tifs with amputated breasts.

These days, the Dems don’t want to talk about it. So Trump will.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Trump plans to kick transgender troops out of the military with 15,000 service members to be 'medically discharged' on his first day in office, report claims | Daily Mail Online

( Mizuna )
The most shocking thing about this is that there are 15,000 transgender people in the military. The US military has a long and ugly history of medical experimentation on its own members. How many of these 15,000 transgender members are unwitting test subjects for whatever sick experiments the higher-ups in the US military are running? I strongly suspect that this the latest chapter in that long and ugly history.

( itsnotaboutewe )
I recently read somewhere that it's to do with serving members requiring regular medication to sustain life. If you have type 1 diabetes you will not pass the medical exam to join. If you are diagnosed after joining, you can be discharged as medically unfit. It's all about being able to serve in combat conditions and being physically able to withstand difficult circumstances in battle. This was how the trans service members were discharged last time. They can't claim that without daily hormones they would die yet still say they are fit enough to serve.

( ProfTerfMom )
How many trans-identifying people enlisted solely to have their medical transitions paid for by the military? The government is going to save a ton of $$$ and have a healthier fighting force.

Good riddance.

( MadSea )
Most of them are considered non-deployable so there really is no point in keeping them in the military. They are a drain on resources better spent elsewhere. Also female soldiers deserve to have their dorms and showers free of males. This is a win and I hope it’s what happens.

( Biologia )
We still eat the costs of their medical if they are medically discharged, along with unemployment/disability benefits.

Simpler to just stop funding for transition & stop letting people legally change their sex. Then the ones who are in the military for free cosmetic surgeries/steroids will leave on their own (or even better- accept the reality of their sex instead of creating 15,000 TRA martyrs)

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

I love that someone in a position of power in America is finally saying what we’re all thinking

( syntaxerror )
I appreciate that she’s able to be so bold about it. Usually people like her (celebrities, politicians, influencers) go through a period where they try and be more gentle about it and sugarcoat the message, which is totally ineffective. We need to be clear.

( KevlarMagnolia )
Evergreen: the "Pronouns are Rohypnol" essay

"Of course trans women should use women's restrooms and locker rooms" hits normies a lot differently than "of course men who think they're women should use women's restrooms and locker rooms," and the trans rights activists fucking know it, hence their tireless efforts to keep statements like the latter from seeing the light of day.

I hope Mace is just getting started--I would love for her to bring this kind of clarity to discussions about, say, men in women's prisons.

( twinklebarbie )
Agreed! We need her! I really think she should use her platform to highlight some of the things that have been going on. Reduxx has plenty of new stories each day that the American public isn’t preview to but should be. This is how she will help women win the public. Unfortunately just calling them mentally ill (which they are) helps support the bullying argument, and she may end up setting us back on the left. I don’t think this should be a partisan issue. For example, she could have retweeted the video of the track and field runner begging school officials not to include males in their female track team. Democrats will have nothing to say to this.

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
Their fetish is not our new reality either

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Will the Democrats finally start listening to the TERFs? [by Kara Dansky]

( wildclovr )
I think there are some people who are deeply invested in this and have no real way to back off of it, and so for that reason, the Democrats are going to wind up losing a few more election cycles before they give up on transgender.

But we're already seeing some cracks, and I think change is coming. Maybe the new up and comers won't be supportive of trans.

But, the old guard will hang onto it and are never going to admit they were wrong.

( Gray )
I really hope Democrats wake up soon and start listening to TERFs before they lose all the sane people from their political party, or before they cause enough liberal Americans to become so disillusioned by politics that they give up voting entirely.

I didn’t vote in the recent election due to living in a solid blue state and because I felt so unmotivated to bother registering to vote on time this year. The transgender ideology propaganda that Democrats are trying to push onto everyone without limits or boundaries is part of the reason why so many liberal Americans either didn’t vote, voted third-party, or voted Trump.

The Democrats who are brainwashed into believing that “allowing males into women’s spaces if they identify as a woman” is the hill that they want to die on, are the ones who are ruining the Democrat party and are leading to what’s allowed the US political system to become so broken and polarized to the point that a misogynist rapist clown like Trump got voted in.

( PeregrineWitch )
No, they won't.

They are still making excuses and denials and claiming it's the ignorance, selfishness and bigotry of voters, doubling down on the righteousness of all their positions, decisions and opinions.

But all of this is just a smokescreen for the real problem: massive money from Big Tech, Big Pharma and the Medical Industrial Complex. Why would they listen to Terfs -- or any feminist -- when trillion dollar industries offer them billion dollar slices of pie?

( rkin )
This is the answer. When trans fails politically and potentially ideologically, some new version of transhumanism will take hold as an ideology. [...] Science isn't going to calm down on trying to edit the body post-birth with so much money on the line, so they'll come at it with some other social ideology to justify the science.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

I’d much rather share a ladies’ room with Sarah McBride than with Nancy Mace | Margaret Sullivan | The Guardian

( mathlover )
Well, then feel free to share the men's room with Mr. McBride. That is the only place where he will ever belong.

( babygrandpiano )
These handmaidens are testing my patience. We're supposed to be more concerned about TIMs getting UTIs than women getting assaulted, raped, and recorded. Won't someone think of the poor crossdressing men and their UTIs!?!?

Shut up.

( Cronelogical-order )
Also, you wanted to be a woman man, welcome to getting UTIs more often

Weird how they never find the downsides of being a woman gender euphoria UWU

( Carrots90 )
Cool.

If you can’t stand to be away from fetishistic cross dressing men, you and the other handmaidens have multiple options. You can pee with him in the mens room, in the all gender restrooms, in his private restroom, etc

You and the handmaidens can also try out for men’s sports or mixed sex sports with him

( dasehe )
Being a woman does not give you the right to consent on behalf of other women. We used to understand this. Women opposed women's suffrage, too. The mere fact of their disagreement does not mean women should not have had the vote.

( dasehe )
Someone should ask her about sharing a ladies' room with Isla Bryson.

( CrimsonSoleil )
Anytime people are asked about pedos in women’s bathrooms, we’re told, “those aren’t transwomen! Those are men!” So how can we tell the difference..? (Hint - we can’t)

( pennygadget )
They're making McBride the poster boy for this issue because he's a non-threatening, swishy gay man. Its easy for Sullivan to say that she'd be fine pissing in the stall next to him. But how would she feel if she or her daughter had to spend the night in a prison or homeless shelter alongside a male sex offender claiming to possess a lady soul? Would she choose sharing a cell with "Karen White" over sharing with Nancy Mace? I'm guessing the answer is "no"

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Trump wasn’t the candidate who made women feel bullied and repulsed

( Women1st )
Women are not a single issue. Expecting women to vote while continuing to dangle the abortion carrot is garbage. Too many women clued in that they will not codify rights into law. We were very clearly told that our rights to define ourselves, have single sex spaces, have women’s sports, and protect women’s prisons meant nothing. We were TERF bigots to complain about the erosion of women’s rights.

( NoName )
I remember a non USA resident on this forum asking prior to the election what Harris could actually do about abortion if she won. I remember commenting that Harris couldn't do anything without a majority in both houses. Seriously though, this issue should never have been left swinging in the wind for fifty years on the basis of Roe vs Wade. Some years back I remember hearing why RBG never liked abortion being hinged on Roe vs Wade.

( NastasyaFillipovna )
The forgot women have lives outside of you know, getting pregnant and having abortions on a daily basis.

Republicans did face the music during mid terms after Roe, but states stepped in. The stories about miscarriages are coming out rn are mostly medical negligence and poor interpretation of law, rather than being abortion ban.

But TiM infestation into the daily life is horrible

( Amareldys )
Are most women dealing with TIMs in their daily life?

( sanitycheck )
Might not be a great idea to ask that on this forum where many women here have dealt with tims and tifs and have children being taught this in school and family members being indoctrinated into medical self harm. Women in prison are dealing with tims in their daily life. Not having free speech to say men are men is an incursion into one's daily life. Worrying youll be fired or lose your career for stating the truth is something i'm dealing with in my daily life.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Welcome back, queen
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( Calamity )
The breather was nice, but my itch to scroll got the better of me halfway through,

It's nice to be back,

Watching the T blow smoke up their asses about consequences that will never come has been amusing.

There's something sickly bitter and entertaining to me, watching the demographics least likely to be impacted (heterosexual males & those engaging with them) from their own none-sensical bullshittery (sorry, the privilege to be in a space not wanting you there, and taking man-made pharmaceuticals to appease a subjective and socialized concept - is not your 'right').

Crying and moaning about their upcoming 'genocide' on their materialistic, lecherous and leeching demands, insane.

Meanwhile, actual women are losing bodily autonomy.

Clown world,

( RappaccinisDaughter )
Is it wrong that I ran to the MtF subreddit to see the tears after Trump was reelected?

( Turtlefuzz )
I did the same, it was so delicious 😈

( Jinera )
omg gyns it was ROUGH without any sanity from this website. Jesus what a long two weeks

( NastasyaFillipovna )
Is it weird that I used automation software to alert me when this site would be back online ?

( Turtlefuzz )
No lmao. I just checked habitually the past 10 days even though I knew we were on vacation. Today I just happened to be here when the site was up!

( Starburns )
So glad it's back with everything going on I'm desperate for this community's support and analysis!

Persimmon64 #transphobia ovarit.com

I don't care why dysphoria exists...
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Dysphoria, as these people like to think of it, doesn't exist. It's a made up concept, sort of like the whole "multiple personalities" schtick. No, you do not have this fictional condition that makes you unable to function in your own body.

What you're experiencing are feelings of self-consciousness, envy, shame, anxiousness, and dissatisfaction that every person on earth feels, except unlike most people who deal with these feelings in healthy ways and learn to let them go, you've obsessed over them to the point where it's all you think about.

That is what "real dysphoria" is. Self-centeredness to the point of not being able to function correctly.

Either that or sexual compulsions brought on by paraphilia that you indulge in to the point that they become a behavioral addiction that, like all other addictions, is hard to break and causes you "discomfort" when you stop indulging in it.

Edit: I'd also like to add that addictions tend to take over all of your thoughts and begin to consume you and you end up centering your entire life around them. These people don't need "gender care." They need addiction rehab.

Like many other addictions (food, drugs, hoarding, alcohol) this addiction may have come about due to adverse childhood experiences. Regardless, that's no excuse for allowing your addiction to derail your own life and the lives of others. Stop using examples of little gay boys calling themselves girls because they don't understand homosexuality yet, are afraid of being bullied, and don't actually know the physical differences between sexes, therefore associate being men and women with superficial sexist stereotypes to excuse your own perversions or your own behavioral addictions.

Leave the rest of us alone and get some help. Seriously.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( dragonheart )
The idea that people who don't support gender ideology are on the far-right
One thing that I have noticed being discussed in TRA circles is the notion that the "rise in transphobia" or any "transphobia" (aka critical thinking) is a result of far-right politics; the consideration that center or left leaning people could be gender critical and have "transphobic" opinions doesn't even enter the conversation at all.

I haven't actually come across any far-right gender critical people - conservative sure but nobody who I would consider extremist. It seems to me that the majority of gender critical people I come across are actually left leaning or somewhere in the middle depending on other factors.

Do you think TRAs purposefully ignore this fact because they can't as easily brand left-leaning people as hateful bigots or they are just delusional about it and think that left-leaning people all engage in groupthink and automatically support gender ideology?

( hellamomzilla )
I hate this formulation because I feel that opposition to the systemic politicization of trans theory isn’t basically political. I feel that opposing it is a reality, scientific situation.

I am opposed to this not because of my political leanings but because it’s all lies. Humans come in one of two sexes, the end. THAT is the basis of my disagreement with the idea that anyone can change her sex. Sure, as we all know, there are political ramifications, but at base, I’m standing on biological truth. I also get why most of the political fighting against the lie of trans is freedom of belief/speech, but I kind of hate it. Understanding the reality of human reproduction is not an OPINION.

( Eava )
You won't find far right or conservative gender critical people. [...] You will find plenty of far right people who are anti-trans, pretty much every legal organization that takes on cases is Dominionist Christian like the ADF, and any anti-trans belief is labeled "gender critical" because the media and TRAs don't understand feminism.

Believing sex is real and men can't be women and women can't be men isn't a gender critical belief, it is one common among right wing Christian extremists like the Duggars and other Quiverfull adherents.

( BellaBlue )
I self-identify as a Gender Critical Conservative. I'm right here.

Lilith-Fair #transphobia ovarit.com

I don't read it that way though. When they say "all students/people", "all" actually refers to transwomen and other gender specials.

For a long time, I used to be really confused when they say, "Protecting trans rights protects all women". (Or something similar like "Excluding transwomen harms all women".) The way the statement is phrased, I assumed "all women" is a follow up to say that protecting trans rights would also protect biological women. The statement made no sense to me because the infringement on women's rights was precisely what GC feminists were talking about. Until it finally dawned on me that "all women" did not mean us. To them, biological women are the default, and "all women" is the catch-all for transwomen.

In other words, when trans rights are not protected, some women are not protected. Those some women are the transwomen. By protecting trans rights, all women are protected, not just the biological ones.

It's a very sly way of sounding like they care about biological women, when in fact the entire statement is about everyone else except biological women who don't identify as some other gender.

So now, when they say "We support all students/people . . .", it may sound like they are saying they support the girls/women too, but what they're really saying is "We won't consider only the needs and safety of girls/women who are the default. We support ALL students/people". "All" being the trans identifying ones. And no one is excluded.

I swear when they say "all", we need to make them explain clearly what do they mean by "all".

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Moderation Is Not the Same Thing as Surrender. Democrats do not, in fact, face a choice between championing trans rights and completely abandoning them. - The Atlantic

( ArtemisCitrine )
On the contrary, I think TRAs are correct that moderation is not possible. Once you keep boys out of girls sports, you've admitted that trans-girls aren't really girls. Chait exhorts the Dems to, in effect, cherry pick where they'll pretend that TIMs are women and where they won't pretend. Chait doesn't see that the cherry-picking goes on forever: why should TIMs be allowed in women's restrooms, locker rooms, shared hospital rooms, rape crisis shelters, domestic violence shelters, La Leche breastfeeding support groups.....

( pennygadget )
Well said.

The core of trans ideology (and TIMs specifically) is the colonization of female-only spaces. They have already made it clear that they won't settle for their own third spaces. They won't compromise. They want unfettered access to ALL women's spaces and opportunities. And once you deny them one space (like, let's say, sharing prison cells with women), you're already admitting that their claims to be women are bullshit. So it doesn't make sense to compromise on smaller things like letting them into the bathroom or letting them change their IDs to "female"

It really is all or nothing

( Wokeuplate )
In addition to all the direct harm this ideology causes, I resent that it necessitates me being so stridently, virulently “extremist” in that my conclusion is always “No, there is no compromise. No, there is no middle ground. No, there isn’t even an inch that I can budge.” It is all fake, all a lie, all destructive. There are no redeeming elements, not one. If I heard someone speak this way, I would write them off as a kook, or worse. But with this ideology, there is no choice. It has to be #holdtheline and #noquartergiven.

( worried19 )
The problem is that fervent TRAs do not want compromise or moderation. It's all or nothing with them. They would rather see all their progress go up in flames than make reasonable concessions. Purity-driven ideology is simply unsustainable when you are asking the American public to believe in biological impossibilities and act as though the two sexes do not exist.

[...]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Rep. Seth Moulton: Democrats Are Wearing an ‘Ideological Straitjacket’

( NoName )

“I do know that women’s rights are important and trans women’s rights are important, so we have to find a balance that makes sense,” he said. “And if we can find that balance as a party, I think we can turn this around and actually win on this issue.”

Want to know what the balance is? Men out of women's spaces. That's all it was ever about. No feminist has ever advocated for any harm or discrimination against trans people. They just want men out of women's locker rooms, sports, prisons, rape crisis centers. Seeing as they have so much funding, they can make their own rape crisis centers and trans shelters. It's odd that they don't. Actually, it's not odd that they don't. We know why they want in women's spaces.

( pennygadget )
The problem is that the "rights" TIPs are demanding are the right to force their objectively untrue delusions onto everyone else (even if that means destroying society in the process). Coddling TIMs is no different than banning non-kosher food to please observant Jews or forcing all women into hijabs to please Muslims. Its trampling all over the majority's objective needs and rights in order to serve the nonsensical religious beliefs of a small minority

Comparing the trans "struggle" to the fight for women's basic civil rights is an INSULT

( hellamomzilla )
Yes. And, it’s all based on fetish driven sexual compulsions and once you recognize that, you can’t unsee it. There’s absolutely no reason to privilege the sexual desire of perverted men over all girls and women. Keep your sex life out of the public square. The end.

( MascaraRunsFree )
He needs to learn the difference between "rights" and "desired privileges." As long as he uses TRA language, he's not going to get to the fundamental issue. Women have no obligation to grant privileges en bloc, here ya go guys! Whatever you want!

In fact, it goes the other way round - we must ZEALOUSLY defend the rights of women and girls. There is no contest between privileges desired (so someone can derive the MOST sexual pleasure from their fetish, not my fucking problem) and rights. There's no contest.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: AOC wonders what the Democrats can do to not fucking fail.

( Lilith )
Democrats just need to quietly drop the T. Like how they quietly dropped peace. Like how they quietly dropped labor unions. And age discrimination.

It seems to me that they have NO problem whatsoever dropping issues that are inconvenient to their donors. It's the issues that are unpopular at the polls they insist on dragging us down with.

( Veneficca )
This is where the forced teaming with LGB really hurts, because it's so hard to decouple now and so any attempt to talk about trans gets branded as homophobia or good old "anti-LGBTQ." I noticed that even snarky sites that make fun of trans anything got upset with Mace and branded her as "hating queer folk." Which immediately shut down all discussion of the real issue.

AOC knows her brand is being young and progressive so it's going to be impossible for her to go too far off script. All these "let's have hard discussions about where Dems go wrong" already have preset topics in place.

That said... I do think behind the scenes a few politicians understand. I just don't know how much the messaging will change. The best thing we can do is be vocal online and IRL to show that people are sick of this toxic shitshow.

( CharliXX )
I have no idea what it's like to be AOC. She's been a politician for so long she is part of "the swamp" but the lefty swamp of victim hierarchy thinking which puts a regular working joe of any color, sex or orientation as privileged over trans people (including rich perverts like Jamie Lee Curtis' son) or people from war torn countries a million miles away (including when those people commit literal atrocities and upload themselves to their victims' facebook doing it), and therefore unworthy of sympathy and policy. I genuinely doubt she will ever come around. We need new blood and even though Nancy Mace is on the right, I hope her bravery will inspire more left wing oriented women to become champions for reality. I think it's a real damn vote winner.

( Hollyhock )
I think that she knows trandgenderism is a massive problem for her political party, but she also knows how even she can be cancelled. It's as plausible that she's scared as it's plausible she doesn't get it, but I'm not sure.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Opinion | The Secret Behind America’s Moral Panic: What Democrats Are Getting Wrong About Transgender Rights - The New York Times

( Researcher1536 )
The election gave people the breathing room to finally start speaking out and up about all this gender crap. People aren't afraid of being socially and financially sacked by expressing common sense facts. So much tongue biting and swallowing feelings occurred over the years. Now reality can hopefully return to the forefront, even if it's currently being drowned out by TRAs screeching about trans genocide and how trans is connected to abortion and women's rights.

( ArtemisCitrine )
I read this op-ed twice and still don't get how trans rights are reproductive rights, as she asserts.

Not to be mean, but butch lesbians who transition late in life always look to me....not very bright. A young confused lesbian....I'll cut her slack. But this person is supposed to be a major intellectual.

( camino_medio )
She's glomming onto a popular point among leftists (reproductive rights) and working her arguments in from there. Fairly standard for the pro-gender ideology side, but her writing and arguments on the subject have always been embarrassingly disjointed to the degree of being bizarre.

( dasehe )
tldr; she's arguing that all objections to trans rights boil down to a cultural anxiety to force women to keep churning out babies. Trans rights break that paradigm - some of her argument acknowledges the sterility issue but 90% of it is "look, Putin is all for traditional family values and he hates LGBT and this is true of Trump and Vance too, therefore these issues are clearly linked."

If trans rights break the cultural anxiety to force women to keep churning babies in half, then defense of trans rights is no less than defense of reproductive rights.

I can kind of see where this comes from because I know some academics still tying themselves in knots, but I just feel her analysis misses a lot of things.

( faerieclaire )
I don’t understand either, unless she’s saying that since adults have the right to sterilize themselves, children should have the same right??? Which, obviously, no they shouldn’t

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Speaker Johnson restricts capitol bathrooms for trans people

( somegenerichandle )
McBride has already posted images of himself breaking the law by going into women's rooms to take selfies. https://x.com/RealityEnthusi2/status/1858849704160735661

I bet he's going to pull this in the Capital too.

( scriptcrone )
Figurative pissing to mark territory, as well as literal pissing to mark territory.

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
So completely male

( wrongthink )
great, now just extend the same courtesy to the rest of the women’s bathrooms across the country.

( WrongToy )
McBride announces he will follow the rules.

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1859318581105988091

( Turtlefuzz )

This effort to distract from the real issues facing this country hasn't distracted me.

Except women have made it clear that males in female bathrooms IS A REAL ISSUE.

Christ on a cracker, he is so pretentious.

( pennygadget )
Its not a real issue when women care about it. But when a man wants to shit in a ladies toilet, its literally a matter of life and death. 🙄

( girl_pash )
The list of trans hypocrisy is extremely long lmao

( realityismykink )
If it's not a real issue then he should have no problem staying out of the women's bathrooms 💅

( sensusquaeram )
Once again, they left out the "each Member office has its own bathroom and there are unisex bathrooms throughout the Capitol" part (see https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/624991/first-trans-congress-member-is-banned-from-using-women-s-bathrooms-after-marjori) -- so if McBride insists on using women's restrooms in the Capitol, it's not an infrastructure-based necessity.

( Riothamus )
Oh please.

How is Congressman McBride supposed to jerk off in the presence of defecating women when he's in a bathroom by himself?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Transgender women to be banned from Capitol Hill female bathrooms under new House GOP proposal

( babygrandpiano )
From another article on the topic:

'The cruelty is the point,' Democrat Rep. Becca Balint, a co-chair of the Equality Caucus, told Axios. 'This is not just bigotry, this is just plain bullying,' Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said.

What a shame that two congressWOMEN came to the defense of this male colleague. Let his male colleagues help him with his fight.

( pennygadget )
AOC and Becca Balint can just go into the men's rooms or the special trans bathrooms with their TIM BFFs. Problem solved!

( faerieclaire )
It’s cruel to keep men out of women’s bathrooms LMAO

What about the actual women who want to have privacy? Oh right they’re not real people, we can be as cruel to them as we want 🙄💀

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
It's only bullying when a male is on the receiving end of it, apparently

( HelenaHandbasket )
How are they gonna keep their handmaiden bonafides if they don't stand up against this "injustice" against Mr McBride?

( pennygadget )
The country has a ton of REAL problems right now. But thank God women like AOC are willing to put all that aside so she can advocate for her male coworkers to shit in the ladies room

( RumorsFromInez )
There's only one transgender-identifying person in Congress, and that's a TIM named "Sarah" McBride. This is clearly directed at him, which is why AOC called it bullying lol.

( WrongToy )
McBride could be in a roomful of gop male senators using the toilet, and no one present would care.

Him being in the women’s means that gop women like mace would care.

( HelenaHandbasket )
Well, the GOP does have the power in the upcoming Congress.

If they use some of it for this issue, I'm not gonna be mad about it. Everything else they do will probably piss me off, but this one I'm fine with. Mr. McBride can go "hang out" with the other dudes in the men's room.

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
I'm a little salty congress will pass it for themselves but not for women nationwide.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: What can we do?

( RusticTroglodyte )
I'm voting third party. Sorry but there is just no way Harris is secretly GC. She was giving rapists and murderers free breast implants years ago

( Veneficca )
Talk to people. Make this visible. People tend to support it when it's an abstraction - then they see real world consequences like Mr. Johnson the math teacher is now Miss Johnson and he's also coaching the cheerleaders and in their locker room. During abortion talks, I bring up the women getting pregnant in prison. Support falters when people see it in real life.

It takes bravery and a willingness to risk the loss of friendship. But more and more people are open to the conversation. Parents are mobilizing. More detransitioners will be suing. We can keep opening people's eyes and that's going to be very effective for women in particular, because so many of our groups and events and communities were given away by other women who thought they were being kind.

Essentially, we can focus on taking back women's spaces and let Democrats know this is not supported by their base. And we can get active locally by seeking leadership positions and then Trojan horsing them just like TRAs Trojan horsed the Left.

( truthisnthate )
You could become a supporter of DIAG (Democrats for An Informed Approach To Gender), it won’t cost you a penny. DIAG is working to educate democratic lawmakers and policy makers at the state and federal levels about the harms of sex-denialism. But to be effective, DIAG needs high numbers of supporters in state and federal districts to convince lawmakers that it is in their own best interest to change course on policies that erase women’s sex-based rights and endanger the health of minors. DIAG also has a forum for supporters that allows them to communicate with other supporters in their state so that they can plan actions and meet-ups.

( Opals )
Every now and then I go through my finances and try to look if I can leave companies that support gender identity ideology - and tell those companies why I am leaving

Might be something possible even on a low income

They will change when it costs them

And for people who are doubtful… look at ABInBev and the ‘Dylan Mulvaney’ scandal. People no longer buying their beer hit them hard