(Eric asked the people he calls Charles Darwin's followers 5 questions & Dave responded)
Dave's Responses to my questions. As usual, no answers!!!
1. Where did the space for the universe come from?
A: Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin.
2. Where did matter come from?
Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin
3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin. The laws came from the humans who worked them out to describe how the world works.
4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
"Perfectly organised"? Nonsense. Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin
5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin.
So, Should I ask more questions?
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all those questions have nothing to do with evolution.
that doesn't mean they have no scientific answers (at least when they sufficiently defined). however, if you keep insisting that those questions are flaws in evolution, than you doesn't have enough scientific understanding or integrity for such discussion. thus, talking to you is waste of time.
feel free to ask the wall your other questions.
>4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
It is not perfect, otherwise structure greater than atoms would not be possible.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DECAorZYErk
>So, Should I ask more questions?
Probably, but no. It's far too late for it to do you any good.
No, you should learn what evolution really is, from creditable sources, and then you would have relevant questions which would be answered using evolution, not cosmology or physics.
As to 4 and 5. A production line probably looks fairly "perfectly organized", but it didn't start that way. Each step was tried, and errors were removed or updated, until the end product works (almost) perfectly. With the Universe, matter were floating around, and either they bumped into each other and went in different directions, or they gravitated toward each other an merged. Sometimes, the bumping stuff tore off chunks that, with gravity and orbit, became planets and moons. This is not a scientific description, just a laywoman's rough understanding of how it probably worked.
There's an answer in there, if only you could understand it>
Let me ask you a question that might help - how high is the upside down blue bowl over the earth?
How... How can one be this stupid and obstinate and still remember to breathe? HE GAVE YOU YOUR ANSWERS, DUMBASS!! Cosmology, Evolution, and Abiogenesis are all completely different subjects. Stop mixing them and stop thinking you're smart by doing so.
I mean, the Hovinds aren't just imbeciles of the highest order, they're actually proud of it! To someone like me, that simply doesn't compute! And that infuriates me, TBH.
Eric Hovind - another speaker of Fundiespeak.
So when he says "evolution" he means "The THEORY (not fact!) that *life, the universe and everything* spontaneously generated from nothing at random by blind chance. God didn't do any creating since THERE IS NO GOD!"
OK, ask more questions. Only make sure they have something to do with evolution this time.
But as we all know, Eric doesn't really want answers. He just wants to ask a bunch of questions which, if someone isn't able to answer, he claims victory by declaring the entire ToE false and biblical creationism true by default.
Should I ask more questions?
Yes, Ask questions about evolution; not cosmology. Darwin never even said where the first life came from, let alone the entire universe.
The problem with a lot of creationists, including, apparently, Hovind, is that they think the theory of evolution denies the existence of God or requires atheism. So they figure all they have to do is argue for the existence of God via the old, well-known Cosmological or Design Arguments and they're done: evolution crumbles in a heap.
Only if you're willing to ask relevant ones. Ask astrophysicists about the big bang and the origin of the cosmos, physicists about the laws of physics, and biochemists about the origin of life.
Eric, "Scientist" is like saying "Doctor". You wouldn't ask your GP to do your heart transplant, would you?
Wait... don't answer that.
So, Should I ask more questions?
Yes you should Eric. It will make you look like more of the idiot you truly are.
To be "fair" to Eric, he defines "evolution" as anything and everything from science that contradicts the Bible, and his daddy claimed in his "doctoral thesis" that Darwin blatantly made the whole thing up at the request of corporate tycoons who wanted to feel better about exploiting workers. Yes, that was in Kent Hovind's doctoral thesis. Yes, the guy is a hardcore super Republican, why do you ask?
Either one of Kentypoos' parole conditions is that he cannot have any contact with any internet-capable device, or his son Eric has gone even loopier than his dad.
It would go some way to explain any cretinist screeds by Kent being conspicuous by their absence. Perhaps he's finally learned - after that ten-stretch - to conform . To STFU.
That's the way things go here on Planet Reality, 'Dr. Dino': as long as what you do doesn't break the law, and you pay your taxes, The Man doesn't give a flying fuck what you do.
That's why the likes of Richard Dawkins are free as birds. And they're not the ones who did hard time in the can.
1) If evolution, then why Boston cream pie?
2) If evolution, then how did DiCaprio win an Oscar?
3) If evolution, then why are bananas so perfectly suited for eating and teaching fellatio?
4) If evolution, then who put the bop in shoo pop shoo bop? Corollary: Explain Darwin's connection to the ram in rama lama ding dong?
5) If evolution, then why are there humans who cannot fathom evolution?
1. The universe does not occupy space. It is space.
2. Matter came from, depending on one's definition of "matter" the interplay of mass and energy.
3. If you mean the "laws" that scientists speak of? Said laws are characteristics of the universe and have been slowly discovered over time.
4. I don't know WTF you mean by "perfectly organized and I'm pretty sure that you don't either.
5. All the energy, and matter, that composes the universe "came from" a singularity that existed at a time in the past where the physical laws understood to govern the universe break down.
“Dave's Responses to my questions. As usual, no answers!!!”
You got plenty of ANSWERS. What you wanted was replies that agreed with your presuppositions OR admissions of defeat.
Your father claims to have taught science for many years. Your homeschooling is what he refers to. Your performance on this issue is his grade on ‘teaching science.’
“1. Where did the space for the universe come from?
A: Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin.”
That’s an answer you dumb shit. You’re asking biologists to explain a complicated physics question. That’d be like going to tax court and letting an uneducated moron being your defense counsel.
“2. Where did matter come from?
Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin”
PHYSICS IS the answer.
“3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin. The laws came from the humans who worked them out to describe how the world works.”
That’s a complete answer. Human attempts to understand the universe is what produces ‘laws.’ And those are the very specific interactions of matter and energy that we feel we can predict every single time.
Again, what you want is someone to validate your idea of a lawgiver.
“4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
"Perfectly organised"? Nonsense. Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin”
You’re overimpressed by the periodic table. But reality is a lot less ‘perfect,’ you know.
“5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
Not evolution - nothing to do with Darwin.”
What does that question even mean?
“So, Should I ask more questions?”
You should learn enough about evolution to ask relevant questions.
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