For me, it is very clear. Women have our own culture, which has been nearly erased by patriarchy, men, (and yes, with the collusion of some women, who, as Sonia Johnson says have “terror-bonded” with their oppressor) as has been said here. We are our own sovereign biophilic beings. Our essence has nothing to do with men/maleness, which is on the decline–from 1000 genes on the y chromosome to somewhere near 45. Since we have experienced near erasure in too many ways to count for at least the last 5000 years, I see it is imperative and absolutely necessary to have as much truly women-only space as possible to re-memeber, to re-claim, to re-joice, to re-juvenate so that we may re-trieve and be re-stored–like re-storing a battery with its charge. “Transwomen” still carry that depleted y chromosome. They are not women. Anywhere they take up space–and it seems to me the nature of the y, as it has become, is to take–they want to own. The essence of woman is entirely different. I just completed a retreat in Ashland OR on “Uncovering the Biophilic Autonomy of Women” for women only. At one point in the retreat, a huge V appeared in the sky directly over us–chem trails, perhaps, but it was still a synchronous validation of our work in women only space and phenomenal to see.
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Women do have a culture of their own, just as we men have a culture of our own.
Plus the shared culture of the community.
Please note that "Shared culture" and "Community" bit.
I still don't get this radical feminism. Are the problems supposed to be caused society or is it part of male genetics? Oh well, either way, I hope these crazy people become female separatists, that way they will stay a long way from me.
I used to subscribe to a long-running lesbian magazine. I finally had to un-subscribe when they issued a statement that they do not welcome transwomen to participate in the magazine's community.
Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.
If you're a woman, half your ancestors were men, and they gave you that extra X that made you female. If you are a man, half your ancestors were women, and they gave you your only X, which makes you viable. If you hate the opposite sex, your enemy is within you and will never leave. Peace. Now.
I'd ask this nasty person to get out of my gender, but I can't bring myself to wish her like on the dudes and the genderqueer peeps.
Can we ask her to step out of our species? She's creepy.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that most of the genes on the second X chromosome were copies of the genes on the first. That's why men suffer from genetic defects from mutations on the X more often than women. They don't have a backup set.
Really, I don't get all this hate on transgendered people. Some people do it voluntarily, but some are transgendered through no fault of their own. The biological default is female. The change to male is triggered by the Y chromosome, but sometimes it doesn't turn on. So the fetus is XY, but develops as a female. It's called Swyer syndrome. Are these people not women either?
On the flip side, there are also people who are born XX, but develop as males due to an incomplete crossover between the father's X and Y chromosome during meiosis. Some of the trigger genes move to the X chromosome and activate during development, turning the fetus male.
What do you bet these idiots would consider both types as men?
Chem trails.
Riiiiigghht...
"Depleted Y chromosome", my ass!
WOMAN, MAKE ME A SANDWICH!!
For some insight about that whole diminishing Y chromosome thing she's talking about. Basically, over time the Y chromosome has become more and more specialized focusing on only certain traits. It's basically shrunk over time. Like, millions of years. These radicals say that because of this the entire male gender, both in humans and animals, is a genetic aberration that will eventually die out in the future. (And they imply that since that's gonna happen there's nothing wrong with trying to speed up the process.)
Obviously, they have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
"Wonder how she feels about transmen? Not that I really care..."
From what I've noticed, radfems tend to see straight trans men as self-hating butch lesbians and gay trans men as either self-loathing women or yaoi fangirls.
I'm all for some women-only space, like this math program I took in high school at the University: It was all females and taught by all female professors. Really helped me gain confidence in math and science, since my uncle was very misogynistic about proper "women's" majors and "men's" majors.
Now, right rest of this is completely nutters.
"At one point in the retreat, a huge V appeared in the sky directly over uschem trails, perhaps, but it was still a synchronous validation of our work in women only space and phenomenal to see."
Jones Syndrome: The tendency for crazies to morph into Alex Jones towards the ends of particularly insane rants.
"At one point in the retreat, a huge V appeared in the sky directly over uschem trails, perhaps"
So THAT'S how Raddumb hub is going to thwart the patriarchy!
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"Depleted y chromosome"?
Wait, what?
"Essence of women"?
Wait, what?
Funny how sexist cliches end up being recycled by those that claim they fight them...
Obsession over a purity of essence.
Her antics may seem amusing, until she sends out jets (with chem trails) to bomb the Russians and trigger their doomsday device.
@ Darlene
You have my respect.
This is why so many people misunderstand what feminism really is. The Radfem Hub people make me nearly embarrassed to call myself a feminist.
Hey, shemama, it is entirely possible to be a feminist and still love the fact that men exist. Also, I know many men who ARE feminists. Without men, you feminazis (how I abhor using a Rush Limbaugh term) would die out post haste, you moron.
You're not special because you have a vagina. You're a hateful, transphobic psycopath who needs to keep her thoughts to herself.
"I see it is imperative and absolutely necessary to have as much truly women-only space as possible"
"...it seems to me the nature of [men]... is to takethey want to own. The essence of woman is entirely different."
This right here is why women should make sandwiches, not arguments.
"we have experienced near erasure in too many ways to count for at least the last 5000 years"
Citation desperately fucking needed.
"1000 genes on the y chromosome to somewhere near 45"
I'm no genetecist, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's a damnable lie. Anyone care to confirm?
Oh, and apologies for my own sexism. Personally I think it's an entirely reasonable comeback to sexism; others may disagree.
@1422020
The pioneers of computers are not male-exclusive. Women like Grace Hopper contributed as much to computer science as their male counterparts such as Alan Turing.
Of course the combined brainpower of the entire Radfem Hub wouldn't hold a candle to either.
I hate to pull a goodwin, but c'mon....
"I see it is imperative and absolutely necessary to have as much truly women-only space as possible to re-memeber, to re-claim, to re-joice, to re-juvenate so that we may re-trieve and be re-storedlike re-storing a battery with its charge"
Doesn't this remind you of somebody.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
"men/maleness, which is on the declinefrom 1000 genes on the y chromosome to somewhere near 45."
You make it sound like this shrinkage of the Y chromosome happened in the last few hundred years.
When, actually, it occurred when the dinosaurs still walked the earth. (That's 65+ million years ago, not 6012 years ago as Kent Hovind would have you believe.)
I used to be a man-hating radical feminist. I was all for the mass-murder or exile of men. I hated them for past and, in some places, present oppression of women. I hated them for starting wars and polluting the planet and stoning girls to death for not marrying seventy-year-olds.
Then I came to my fucking senses.
I realised that, just as women don't choose to be born women, men don't choose to be born men. White people don't choose to be white, blacks don't choose to be black, and nobody should be discriminated against for things they didn't choose to be. To assume that a whole demographic is assholish is fucking stupid. Men are no more assholish than women are. And saying things like "MEN DESERVE 2 DIE" will only perpertuate assholism in and between men AND women.
I am now...seventeen, and not afraid to claim that I am already smarter than you.
@ScrappyB
Actually, being transgender in general is not a choice but an inherent part of one's persona, like sexual orientation. Neurological studies have supported this.
@1422013
"May" disagree? It's like fighting fire with oil.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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