The fact is that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. This proves that He is God in human flesh. This means everything He says is right, and if you disagree with Him you are wrong.
He has declared that homosexuality is an abomination. So it is.
So no matter how many "points" you write about, they mean nothing at all if you are going against what HE has said.
You are wrong, HE is right!
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The fact is that Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
That's not a fact. There is no proof.
This proves that He is God in human flesh.
If it happened, it could mean that God raised him from the dead, or he sold his soul to the devil in return for being raised from the dead, and so on.
He has declared that homosexuality is an abomination.
Jesus never said any such thing and if you actually read your Bible you would know that.
FAIL!
1. Prove that he rose from the dead.
2. Prove that Jesus called homosexuality a sin.
We all know full well you're gonna use the Bible. We also know how incredibly unreliable the Bible is so unless you offer some other evidence please leave your bigoted ideologies at the door.
I'm not going to trust a zombie when it comes to morals and codes of ethics.
Also: Chapter and verse, Bitch!
""The fact is that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. This proves that He is God in human flesh. This means everything He says is right, and if you disagree with Him you are wrong."
Unless your big book of myths is a lie, in which case nothing you say is woth the hot air it's made of.
Do you have proof for your assertions?
Didn't think so.
The OT says that and Paul says that, but there is no record of Jesus saying anything about homosexuality.
Also, before you cite Jesus as a source, you must first prove that he existed in the form claimed by the Bible. That there may or may not have been a man named Jesus is irrelevant unless he was the divine son of God, whose existence you have also yet to prove.
He has declared that homosexuality is an abomination.
According to his followers (or, to use the fundies definition of that word, eyewitnesses ) Apollonious of Tyana rose from the dead too.
Guess God was putting it around a bit back then!
Jesus rose from the dead. Therefore, everything He says is right. Therefore, the Bible is true. Therefore, Jesus rose from the dead.
You spin me right round, baby, right round, like that fundy "logic," right round round round.
Shield of faith, you don't know your Bible. Jesus said absolutely NOTHING about homosexuality.
Or if he did, quote me chapter and verse.... You can't? Oh, so he didn't then! LOL
The MYTH
Other than that, from what little direct anecdote is available, I'd say that Jesus was a Mensch, an all-around agreeable good guy. I need to ignore around 90 percent of the bible to arrive at that conclusion, though.
As far as I know, Jesus said nothing on homosexuality. He had a LOT to say, however, on those who would judge others.
Two points:
According to your Giant Book of Hoo-Haw, Jesus said no such thing. He did, however, say never draw to an inside straight.
Damn, just can't find that part in the bible where Jesus bitches out the homosexuals. Heterosexuals? yes. Rich people? Oh, yes. Hypocrits? You better believe it. Fig trees? Didn't like them. But gays? No mention of gays by Jesus.
Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus quoted as saying homosexuality is an abomination. He said plenty about being judgmental, though.
Edit: GigaGuess beat me to it.
You are wrong, HE is right!
And YOU are a complete idiot. Besides, Jesus himself had a number of boyfriends over the years but the church started calling them desciples and whatnot to hide Christ's true sexual orientation. He "tried" women with Mary Magdalen, but couldn't go on against his own nature.
*checks her copy of the Bible*
Hmm, nothing here.
*checks about 20 other copies, all different versions*
Nope, nothing about the gay from J-boy. I think your pastor is pulling your leg.
As usual, Fundies never mean "God" when they talk about "God's will". "God's will" is always astonishingly indistinguishable from a Fundie's personal opinion...
His last sentence, translated into what this Fundie really meant:
You are wrong, I am right!
This fundie is only hiding cowardly behind the name of "Jesus Christ" in order to promote his own homophobia.
The fact is that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. This proves that He is God in human flesh.
This means everything He says is right, and if you disagree with Him you are wrong.
He has declared that homosexuality is an abomination. So it is.
So no matter how many "points" you write about, they mean nothing at all if you are going against what HE has said.
You are wrong, HE is right!
"The fact is that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. This proves that He is God in human flesh. This means everything He says is right, and if you disagree with Him you are wrong."
If there was absolute, objective proof that that is the case, then you might have an argument. But evidence points to the contrary.
"He has declared that homosexuality is an abomination. So it is."
Actually, Jesus never said such. Only Paul, and the writer(s) of Pentateuch did. From reading the gospels, it seems to me that Jesus would have not cared much if someone were homosexual.
"So no matter how many "points" you write about, they mean nothing at all if you are going against what HE has said."
Except the fact that HE never existed, and your god is just a figment of your imagination.
Your first sentence is untrue. Thus, the rest of your post means fuckall.
Try again - with some real, provable facts this time.
Where's the evidence that he rose from the dead? Outside the Bible, I mean.
Eh, that insult stops working when you move on to high school.
A friend of mine once said that whole-heartedly worshipping any god at all doesn't mean that the god cares about you. Therefore, you can believe that Jesus rose from the dead and did all those things you say he did, but that doesn't make a difference whether he cares about you or not. Come to think of it, he probably doesn't care whether other religions exist either.
- Coming back from the dead? Osiris did that long before Jesus was allegedly born. Osiris even reportedly said, "I am the life, I am the resurrection."
I'll tell you something else these mythological figures had in common with Jesus: Not one of them is ever recorded as ever having said that homosexuality was an abomination.
>>Katsuro
Anyone else agree with me that Christianity is not mono-theistic? Jesus being the son of a god makes him at least a demi-god, doesn't it? <<
There have been many many arguments about that one. Perhaps the Unitarians have the right idea, where they just skip the entire idea of the Trinity and all of the associated metaphysics that are irrelevant to everyday life.
And, of course, ShieldOFaith is confusing Word Of Dante (or in this case, Word Of Some Other Guy) with Word Of God.
Mmm, the usual fundie tactic of assuming something to be a fact which isn't, and basing an "iron clad" argument on it.
I could claim as fact that my mother was Anastasia, daughter of the last Tsar, and that I am therefore the heir to the Russian throne. But she wasn't, and I'm not.
So, until you find some evidence (real, not mythical) proof that Jesus arose from the dead the rest of your argument isn't worth shit.
There are shallow arguments... and then, there's this.
Just shut up, ShieldOfFaith.
The closest Jesus ever came to condemning homosexuals was in Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (KJV, since that's the Fundie favorite.)
Of course, this also means Christians should eat Kosher. No lobster, no shrimp, no cheeseburgers! Good luck getting Fundies to part with that!
Incidentally, if all of America decided to boycott shellfish and poly-cotton blends, the state of Louisiana would probably go bankrupt inside of a year.
Confused?
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