[I hope this is some kind of Poe/Troll]
"All sources is the WORD of GOD. Who should I beleive, something a hairless deformed monkey-man tells me to believe, or something out of Gods Own Mouth?
Sorry, I dont know who Pascal Wager is"
Vestigial organs are the invention of evolutionists. My grandmother was lost her tailbone from an accident when she was 50 years old. For the next 40 years she had pain sitting for any length of time. I have all my teeth----------wisdom and all. It is very hard for me to bight off more than I can chew....... Goosebumps help to warm one up when one stands in a draft. GOD did not make any unuseful parts; however, HE has allowed man's body to cope when some parts (because of a sinful world) go bad. That was a blessing.
[Well, DNA contains coding and it's occurs naturally so I guess the proof [that codes do not occur naturally] has been toppled. That was pretty easy. Got any more?
Do we find DNA in Outer Space? Did we discover DNA on the Moon? Is DNA found in meteors? If not, it isn't a "natually occurring" phenomenon. It is quite unique to unique living things on this unique planet.
(So? The root of the word "gay" is that of being happy and joyful.
Words change over time, and so do their meanings!)
In that you are quite wrong. Words do not change meanings. When someone is trying to corrupt the language they are always trying to hide the true intent of their agenda. Saying that black means white will never make black be white, it only confuses the issue.
I stand behind fully capable and professional scientists that sound alot more plausible and in line with scripture imo.
tossing around scientific lingo doesn't impress me much - I hear both sides going at it and you may as well be speaking in Chinese; when nonscientific people hear 2 opposing scientific experts going at it, it doesn't convey one is more correct than the other becuz they are ignorant of the science itself.
Apply Bible text to it, and then some can start making better assessments. & some may never know or come to any conclusion.
and that's Ok too.
Thankfully none of us have to know science of any kind to be a born again Christian, so I don't divide on that merit.
[Scientific Theory - very similar to a scientific law, it is an explanation of many sets of related observations made by many different researchers, the difference between a law and a theory is that a law governs one single action, a theory explains a whole group of related events.]
This is the great lie the evolution purveyors tell us.This was never a proper definition of theory until the last 30 years or so. As I said in that other post, the root of the word "theory" in Attic Greek is that of an unproven hypothesis, something that is "pretended" for the sake of argument. The evolution fraud has a tremendous amount of influence in all realms of society, because Merriam-Webster doesn't even give the etymology of the English word or its Greek root, as it commonly does for almost every other word that comes to our language from another. That is downright scary, to a certain extent, because it means the evolution fraud is actually a conspiracy against God, and is intended ultimately to displace Him with "good loving kind" concepts of a fallen race, a race that has no hope without Jesus Christ but which will never know that if the gospel is swamped and sunk by this ludicrous pack of lies disguised as "science."
Genesis is literal. It is not only literal in context, but its language is scientific, within the scope of the original Hebrew. Sorry, but you really don't have a grasp of the reality of God's word. Yes, I just called into question your scholarship, which is sorely lacking.
In response to: "The bible clearly condones slavery in the OT. So wouldn't condemning it in our modern age be a betrayal of traditional bible values?"]
i'm ok with indentured servitude, provided the slaves are provided with survival necessities and an eventual alternative career plan, such as the ownership of 7 acres farmable land after period of 3 yrs slavery (ect.), and think this should be legal.
God is awesome.
He had me born into a family I love. Besides God and family, I like video games a lot. He had me born when video games just started to come out, so a lifetime training in them makes me a world class master in many games. He commissioned me as a messenger, and my task is easy compared to early Christian's persecutions.
I have a great life thanks to God. And the cool thing is that it only gets better in Heaven.
I refuse to use the word "evolve" to describe anything.
Nothing evolves.
Couples who are fertile and do not have children are indeed selfish. They don't want to bring new lives into this world that they can then care for. Why? Because they're immature and care only about themselves. I know couples who cannot have children and desperately long for them. Compare them to these wastes of space who believe its their decision to let their family line die with them because they can't be bothered with diaper changing, 2AM feedings, parent-teacher meetings, soccer games, teenage rebellion, tuition fees, etc.
Blah. All part of the new Western culture that says love yourself above anyone, and your every desire should be met - instantly, if not sooner. I'm nauseous.
[Originally Posted by EnemyPartyII:
doing it the way you call God's way sounds like brainwashing... and by "brings much success" I think you mean "produces people incapable of original thought or questions" ]
Hardly. It produces kids with questions that are answerable!
[Originally posted by EnemyPartyII:
Funny, thats what the Hindus say. ]
Well of course they are wrong.
Doing it God's way brings much success in child rearing. They become people of excellence! Children of Christian homes make their own decisions for Christ. They are introduced to Jesus as their own Saviour and when the Holy Spirit reveals to them their sinful state as He does with everyone else He reveals to, then they come on their own. A Christian family provides that opportunity early---which is God's reasoning.
There is no reason for children to consider any other choice. There is no salvation or value in any other choices!
The universe is geocentric during the day because you cant travel where the light shines from and geocentric at night because the earth is the best place from which to view the stars (God has arranged them for viewing from earth).
I am speaking practically, of course (I doubt you will ever find a person who productively uses a heliocentric model of the universe - this is the only habitable place in the solar system for a start!).
And Evolution isnt based on lying, dishonesty, and a horrible twisty of creation based evidence?
Examples? Or is that just common opinion by evolutionists?
Amazing then how folks seem to be getting more stupid with time rather than more "evolutionary advanced" as the supposed "theory" goes.
Besides, IF we supposedly evolved from apes, why then the anatomically and genetic similarities with pigs and chickens as well? Unless we all supposedly started off as some horrible "apigicken" looking thing, with 4 legs and covered in feathers! lol
The FLOOD....duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh! Look at how they cannot explain why levels of the earth are "out of order"...or how large amounts of sea creature fossils have been found in deserts.
Oh, yeah!! Way to go for man-made graphs! W00t.
[On OT-laws that force rape victims to marry their tormentor:]
Consider the times: raped women were considered "Damaged goods" back then, and still are now in many countries. Even in developed nations, raped women are stigmatized; it was even more so back then.
Raped women would never get married if God didn't make thier attackers marry them. Furthermore, God punishes those men not only by ordering that they pay fines to the family of the girl, but those men are never allowed to divorce those women; this is regardless of how obnoxious, disobedient, fat or lazy she gets, and regardless of whether or not she refuses to have sex with him. And those men will never abuse her, because he's already been publically disgraced and labeled as a rapist, and already had to answer to her family; those men will not do anything to risk further humiliating themselves.
[on the subject of interracial marriage]
"I don't believe in interracial marriage. The Bible says each creature after it's own kind. I love my race. Also, it would be cold to fight for your own country in a war, only to fly back to your own country and find an alien race in your living space."
[PRATT. "Theory" in a scientific context is different from the common use of the word; atoms, relativity, and gravity are theories too. Evolution is both a fact and a theory.]
That's just word play. Science used to be much more approachable and practical before the time of godlessness. A theory was a theory no matter who used the word; it meant the same thing. And it was understood to mean unproven. Generally we didn't think gravity was an unproven theory and likewise we didn't think the atomic theory or relativity were unproven. We didn't call them theories then. Rather we considered them proven theories or science.
[Trying to explain a modern Christian's stance on slavery, in relation to the OT]
We have man-servant and hand-maids to this day. We purchase them through paying for them and they become part of your "property" as they handle your property. Obviously your own property you handle with care and delicacy, be no different. The only reason why "property" sounds degrading is because its considered "politically incorrect". Also, these settlers as the Bible called some of them, needed work so the work was given to them and usually they stayed and became part of the family. To this day many servants and maids stay in the family even if a original "owner" passes away, as the servant becomes part of the family. A servant doesn't have to just take care of the house a servant could also become an apprentice for a blacksmith.
In referring to your second question, if you are in the market for servants this yes treating them good and all this would apply to you. If you aren't then it doesn't. In a sense it still does but you do not have to think about it as you aren't taking care of one.
<On how the fossil record disproves evolution>
-- the fossil record should show countless organisms that are the failed experiments of evolution -- eyes on the back of heads, noses on feet...cats or other mammals with worthless wingsprouts....countless bum organs or useless tissues -- yet we don't see any of that. All we see are millions of different kinds of animals....there is no evidence of any animal "evolving" into some other type of animal.
Genesis is scientific....much more scientific than ToE.
Yep - if you want to buy slaves, and you are a believer, you'd better be treating them the way God says to.
Atheistic dinosaurs
Worldviews affect conclusions very much when it comes to paleontology. One example is scansiopteryx. This feathered dinosaur had very long third fingers. Atheists see this as just another oddity in a world that they deny points overwhelmingly to creation.
http[dot]//oficina[dot]cienciaviva[dot]pt/~pw011/jazidas/JaimeHeaddenEpidendrosaurus%5B1%5D.jpg
^Just in case you're ignorant.
However, Christians see something entiraly different. They see one of the wondrous marvels of God's creation. It goes even deeper than that. Long fingers are very similar to spears, which angels have. Angels also have feathery wings. Based on theology, it is safe to suggest paleontologists angelic animals of company in China.
It is by faith... I fail to see how people belive theroys such as the big bang which break the laws of phisiscs.
How does it oppose science? Were you there? Are you the God of science? Why can't you accept that we accept God's word for what it is? I believe it because it's in his word, is that not reason enough? Am I allowed to be a Christian? Honestly, this is why I detest evolution and would rather stay away from it's adherents. This stuck up attitude. Did Jesus rise from the Grave? How can you believe that someone rose from the dead after they had clearly died? Or are you more prone to accept the Pharisee's story?
To all the heathen (hearthen, people of the hearth, or earth; a.k.a. heathen) on this board who are constantly taking shots at the Christians, the Bible, and God Himself: did you read the above passages?
Do you understand what this means? If not, let me explain something to you.
I know that right now you think its funny to laugh at me and my brothers when we come against homosexuality, abortion, and all manner of filth that this country is mired in. I understand that you think its funny and all that... However, if you understand the passages above; then you will understand that one day there will be no more laughing.
One day in the near future, the HEATHEN WILL BE FORCED TO OBEY!!! When Messiah begins His reign on this earth, there will be no more mocking/laughing at Him and His Word. There will be only FORCED OBEDIENCE to His authority. Justice will be swift and instantaneous. And this will be a glorious thing!!!
FORCED TO OBEY!!!
I like the sound of that.
[Excellent point. The Bible can pretty easily be used to support a variety of arguments, many of which conflict with each other.
That's why I tend to let reality be my final arbiter. If someone has a Biblical interpretation that does not agree with reality -- be it creationism, geocentricism, condemning homosexuality, etc -- I don't buy it.]
Which is exactly why you are a false teacher.
Uhm, OK, applied science..? What do you mean by that? We see life around us, there is a God, he told us that the OT was true as we have historically accurate accounts of Jesus written by his disciples that we have evidence for that too. So then, are we going to disregard what God tells us to be true?
Wheres your applied logic?
You think you're playing with a fool, but I'm a fool for Christ the King of the universe.
Abiogenesis is life from non-life.
So, for instance, if a bunch of styrofoam packing peanuts suddenly turned into racoons, that would be abiogenesis.
[OP explains how her best friend was just diagnosed with HIV]
I agree with sharing Christ with her now more than ever.
She's battered, she's bruised, she's lost a lot of pride, she'll be more open to these things.
Atheistic Geology
Unbelievers (secularists, humanists and muslims) have long been attempting to throw the world into chaos by overturning the biblical order set by Christ 2007 years ago. And if youwant to poison a tree, what better to do to poison its roots? As such, Biblical nay-sayers have been attempting to kill the tree of Christianity and send everyone to HELL by attacking the Bible's foundation, the book of Genesis. Their favourite tool is not evolution, which even they realize is a shoddy theory, but geology, a full field of study.
In order to contort geology to conform to their twisted ideology, deists, secularists and muslims invented uniformitarianism, the idea that small, gradual geological processes. One of the fathers of uniformitarianism aditted he was trying to overthrow "Mosaic Geology" (that is, geology from Moses, who wrote Genesis) Uniformitarianism is BUNK. No-one has seen a river forming or a mountain being made- it is somptuous inference.
Radiometric dating is based upon uniformitarianism. No-one can prove that the decay rates are constant. However, some have proven they have changed in the past. The RATE group, Ph.D. scientists, have figured out that the helium content in some rocks, that are supposedly millions of years old, is so large that they must be 6000 to 10000 years old. Yet radioactive dating is still used to prove antichristian philosophy.
Similarly stupid are the assumptions of plate tectonics. I don't deny they happened. But a global flood could easilybreak plates apart and smash them together, creating mountains and deep ocen trenches. (In fact, marine limestone is on top of mount everest.) Rock could also form then, where the heat and pressure required would be present, burying unsuspecting dinosaurs.
In fact, to make rock, you don't need much of this. All you need is a kettle, although you probably won't get enough to bury dinosaurs!
God bless!
Dear IFG1P315,
Apart from abiogenesis, we can also attack materialistic evolution in other ways :
(1) materialistic evolution cannot explain many human characteristics (especially spiritual ones) , for example :
free will;
self-awareness;
sense of dignity;
sense of beauty;
musical abilities;
language abilities;
sense of morality;
aversion of dirtiness;
aversion of bad smells;
preference for cooked food;
fear of seeing blood.
All these are found lacking in animals;
(2) Many supernatural incidents are effective in disproving materialistic evolution, including apparitions of God and saints, miracles (like miraculous spring water of Lourdes , incorruptible bodies of saints), etc.
They are not scientific facts but are FACTS.
Point is. Iraq was a national threat to the US security and the safety of the people. Again were not the ones flying planes into their buildings..
Killing infants has nothing to do with security or the safety of this country.. Infants have not commited terrorism or have done anything wrong. You can't compare the killing of the guilty with the innocent.. Abortion has nothing to do with national security..
[Further in the thread...]
Again your comparing the innocent with the guilty. And you do not know for sure that Iraw was not involved. Terrorism goes through all areas of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Arabia.
Abortion has nothing to do with national security or the safety of people. There is a human rights issue with abortion that is violated and such we should not have to pay taxes to support the killing of innocent people...The government needs to cut off ALL FUNDING from planned parenthood and other abortion clinics who mooch off the government
[So you're ok with killing people who don't share the same beliefs as you (justifying it by saying they all want to kill people of your faith), but forcing someone into giving birth is a-o-k with you? Are you insane?]
Christians are being exterminated in the middle east. They are nearly extinct..
Forcing?? Its not my fault they got pregnant. They were the one having sex outside of marriage and doing careless things. Does a baby have to be ripped apart because of someones carelessness?
I say no. They have a right, just as anyone else. They need to deal with the consequences or adopt.
[You've failed to answer the most damning criticism, that if people didn't pay for what they didn't like, the United States would grind to a halt.]
Funding abortions with tax money does NOTHING for this country. It just makes it worse. I agree in necessary things that people don't want to pay. But abortion isn't one of those necessary things
[You defend the abolition of slavery, which granted millions of black Americans their rights as citizens, but you advocate denying women their reproductive rights. That tells me that you are only for people having rights when it doesn't bother you specifically.]
A woman’s reproductive right ends at the choice to have sex or not to have it or to have sex with or without contraceptives. Once a new life is formed the mother has no right to decided whether or not to kill the baby growing inside her. The woman’s body is not her own neither is the body of child in the womb, they both belong to God. We have stewardship over our bodies and those of our children but we must remember that God owns us and we need to obey him.
[Then why do a majority of Christians accept the Theory of Evolution? And please don't use the No True Scotsman Fallacy. I'm really getting tired of it.]
Because the Majority of people (who might identify with christianity) are christian in name only. I know people who call themselves "christians" who do not even believe CHRIST was actually GOD with us. I know people who call themselves "christians" who do not believe JESUS actually rose from the dead. I know people who call themselves "christians" who do not believe satan exists. I know people who call themselves "christians" who dark the door of a church maybe once or twice a year.... What care I what the majority thinks or says?
The universe was created by God about six thousand years ago according to the geneologies of the Holy Bible, the infallible Word of God.
I like to to tell people, "the earth is about 5,767 years old".
God obviously created the earth with the appearance of age i.e. Adam and Eve were created as adults with the ability to speak a language and do farming. Adam and Eve also had the abilty to procreate (have children). god does creative miracles today so it is no reach to believe he did the same thingsix thousand years ago, but obviously on a grander scale.
Science cannot conclusively determine the "age of the earth" as defined by natural means (evolution). I have heard some people, usually young impressionable students say, "evolution is a proven fact - science proves the law of evolution". This is not possible because evolution can only use historical science to estimate ages and origins. Operation science cannot be used to prove evolution. Operational science is the kind of science done in laboratories where things can be demonstrated and/or repeated.
Historical science confirms the eye witmness account of creation provided by the Bible i.e. God is the eye witness to his own creation and he communicated the history of it to scribes and prophets of old. This should not be unreasonable even for a traditional Chirstian to understand. Shortly after his descendants were making musical instruments and doing metalurgy.
I challenge the participants of the this forum who are convinced of evolution to give one example of evolution. If they cannot do that tell me how you can believe in a very old earth without sin and death before Adam.
[Do you have any evidence at all that organisms without brains can believe anything at all?]
I have seen insects believe. Insects that believe are markedly less erratic in their flight paths, etc.
See above for my comments on the definition of belief and its simplicity.
It doesn't follow that you need a brain to believe.