Is collëcting knivës usëd in murdërs a crimë?
By dëfinition somëonë had to commit a murdër in ordër for thë collëctor to havë his prizëd possëssion. Howëvër thë collëctor did not commit thë murdër, nor is thërë any rëason to bëliëvë hë wantëd it to bë committëd.
This is an ëvën strongër casë bëcausë knivës typically cost monëy, whilë porn typically doës not. A përson who buys knivës usëd in murdërs is crëating a dirëct ëconomic incëntivë that doësn't ëxist in thë porn scënario. Yët no onë would takë sëriously thë claim that simply having a knifë is ëquivalënt or ëvën analogous to committing a murdër.
What's thë diffërëncë? Simply that child porn is a knëë-jërk moralistic issuë whilë knivës arë somëthing wë approach with rationality and intëllëctual consistëncy.
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(Phase 1--do something about the umlauts.)
Collecting child pornography tacitly legitimizes the corruption of the original deed. Collecting killers' daggers doesn't (not necessarily, anyway). The stuff's effectively a signal that the person in question has no qualms with letting children suffer agony absolute.
The difference being, of course, that the photos and videos aren't merely an implement used in committing a crime. They ARE the crime. Collecting them would be like collecting the corpses of those murder victims you mention. Which is very much illegal.
deleted, you must realize that, in order to make child porn, you are committing an illegal act.
Now, I would like to show you some tricks with a knife I learned in the army.
As to which fundamentalism this is...I wouldn't be surprised if Deleted and the other Reddit entry want nothing to do with child pornography themselves. Rather, notice which category of Reddit these were under--Libertarianism. There's a good chance they're arguing that trying to fully interdict even something as utterly baleful as child pornography would lead to even more baleful (to them, anyway) government control/nannying.
Now...any volunteers to see if this is the case? I don't think I want to defile my browser history with this one...>>;
Are you from Alternia? Because that quirk must be really annoying to type out.
Also, knives have uses besides murder, such as cooking. If you own child porn, it's probably because you have pedophilic tendencies, and you need psychological help before you hurt some poor kid. Those who take advantage of children who almost certainly do not fully understand the situation, and couldn't consent even if they did, in order to profit are even more despicable.
You know, I was going to think of something slightly witty, but it's late, and he's not worth using that much brain power. So, I'll just say this:
Fuck you, deleted.
If the person who is collecting the kiddie porn didn't want children to be filmed and sexually abused for pornographic purposes then why the fuck are they looking at kiddie porn?
People collecting murder weapons are not creating more crime. Those who seek child porn drive up the demand for it. Which is a crime. Not hard to figure this shit out.
@ Skyknight: Oh, holy crap, you're totally right. Lolbertarians, harbingers of morality! They really are arguing that a person should be able to have anything on their computer because MY RIGHTS! Laws that restrict my rights to do anything is an act of violence, hnng! I really hope this one is a troll-- "If someone wants to sell their kid, who are we to tell them no? That's their freedom."
Yep, libertarian pedophiles, yay. And what the fuck is up with the umlauts? English is not written that way.
Once again, please use this argument in court.
I tried to read this as it is spelled and should be pronounced. It's fucking weird.
But you sir, you're a possibly pedophilic individual who should have never been born. [/erboh]
Is collëcting knivës usëd in murdërs a crimë?
Er... yes? I mean, if it's actually the murder weapon, then it's evidence, and should be in police custody, not a private collection. Since I very much doubt they'd release an item like that onto the market intentionally, owning it would make you guilty of receiving stolen goods at the very least.
Or am I way off on this one?
Fuck you. This is actually an issue that I'm pretty torn over, but it's not because I'm a sick child-rape apologist like you.
I do think that more energy should be put into stopping child rapists who make child pornography than prosecuting the sick fucks who "consume" it, but that's simply because I believe that the #1 priority should be getting sexually exploited children to safety. If I had to choose between getting one sexually exploited child to safety versus prosecuting one sick fuck getting off on it, I would choose to save the child.
But that does not mean consuming child pornogaphy is "okay" or "harmless." Capitalism 101 says that wherever there is an untapped market of buyers, willing sellers will flock. If you think sick fucks don't spend money on child porn and the predators who make it don't make a financial profit from it, you are seriously fucking deluded. But even if we ignore that fact, the thrill of sharing sick shit with the world is profit enough for some people. Anyone who has been on the Internet for more than five minutes in their life understands that, so it's pretty obvious that yöü'rë bëïng dëlïbërätëly öbtüsë. Thë knëë-jërkërs hërë ärë thë ëntïtlëd dümbfücks whö thïnk thëïr "rïght" tö dö änythïng ön thë Ïntërnët ïs säcrëd rëgärdlëss öf whätëvër cönsëqüëncës thëïr äctïöns hävë ön öthër pëöplë. Ï höpë thësë pöïntlëss dïäërësës hëlpëd clëär thïs üp för yöü.
You do know that the umlauts means that that vocal ought to be pronounced, right? So it's knivEs and crimE.
Porn doesn't cost money? In which world are you living? Knives used in murders ought to be handed in to the police, and evidence of child molestations ought also to be handed in to the police.
Child porn is the very reason for a lot of child molestations. No-one murders someone for the sole purpose of making the knife infamous. People ARE being paid to molest children in far off countries, RIGHT NOW, so that people in the west can watch the molestation online, as it happens.
Knives can be used for a lot of different things. Child porn is just used by sick people to get aroused.
Intellectual consistency? What would you know about that?
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