GOD DOESN’T HATE HOMOSEXUALS — HE HATES SIN
There is a difference between being and acting, just as there is a difference between biology and psychology. Today’s pro-homosexual movement wants to pretend that there is a genetic cause for homosexual behavior and equate it to inherent skin color or other ridiculous claims, but they have no evidence of such a biological claim. As much as they would prefer to have an excuse for their sin of desire, they are stuck without one.
If one believes God should ignore the sin of homosexuality, should God also ignore the sins of murder and rape, thievery and adultery? After all, what’s the difference? Was Jeffrey Dahmer sinning when he sexually molested then killed seventeen young men before cannibalizing them? Maybe he was just born with cannibal tendencies? Don’t be ridiculous! One may as well pretend that God loves sin.
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Crime of eating shrimp, crime of wearing wool blends, crime of touching menstruating woman, blah blah blah, same old shit. Fuck off.
committing a sin =/= breaking the law.
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Doesn't sound to me as if homosexuals are breaking God's law. Of course that's inconsistent with all the other parts of the Bible that criminalize consensual acts, but that's not my problem.
Homosexuality is not wronf.
Murder, rape, and theft are wronf not because they are "sins" but because they are harmful to another person. As much as fundies would prefer to have an excuse for their discrimination, they are stuck without one.
Your 'biologically evident' assertion is not the least bit evident. Did you know honest people actually use evidence to support their claims?
According to your fiction, Dahmer has gone to heaven.
Do you avoid the sins of shaving, eating shellfish, wearing wool blends or having contact with storks?
Your idea of good is just finding excuses for being evil to your fellow man.
I'll have to remember that defense. "No, officer. I'm not drunk! I've just been drinking heavily. Totally different words. Er, suffixes. ... what's with the cuffs?" Dumbass.
Reproduction is a biological imperative. It's instinctive. If a mutation arises which screws with the genes involved in giving you that instinct then what do you suppose will happen to your expression of it, hm? Or did I lose you when I brought 4th grade science into the equation? If you don't like it then that's your problem because that's just how genetics work. All you and your god accomplish by bullying them into pretending to be straight is ensuring that their numbers will continue to increase as they take mates of the opposite sex. If you truly don't like something then don't attempt to force it to breed .
And God absolutely loves the sins of murder, rape, theft and adultery. If he didn't he wouldn't go around murdering people by the thousands and millions (sometimes for their stuff, sometimes just because he's an asshole like that), raping young virgin girls and ordering his chosen to do the same (just not against each other ). And of course he not only supports but (for Christians) outright demands cannibalism from his followers.
Do gods exist? Does Hell exist? There is no evidence whatsoever for any of them.
There is a difference between involuntary force/violence and consenting adults. One of the differences between homosexuality and pedophilia/rape, is that the first concerns consenting adults, the second has a non-consenting victim.
We're a pro-human-rights movement asshole! Scientists have found differences between heterosexual brains and homosexual brains, so yes, there is a biological claim. You have an excuse for your sin of desire; why shouldn't they have one as well. Especially since it's basically the same as you have.
If one believes gods don't exists, one doesn't care whether or not gods should also ignore sins like eating shellfish or cheeseburgers, wearing clothes of mixed fabrics or working on the Sabbath. What's the difference, indeed...
Jeffrey Dahmer "forgot" to obtain informed consent from his victims. He WAS probably born with cannibal tendencies, which is why informed adult consent is such an important point.
One may as well pretend that gods exist.
So God gives people homosexual urges but only sends them to hell if they act on them.
You didn't think that through very well, did you?
Ignoring the obvious fact that homosexuality has no comparison to me going out and acting like the God of the Old Testament on people, there's a few more flaws. For one, if indeed somebody had a mental condition that caused them to be serial killers, they are typically exempt from retribution under the legal system. Of course, they can be locked up for other purposes, such as deterrence, but they are not being punished.
If two people are consenting with each other, what interest of society is filled when we use tax money to deter them?
Anyone stupid enough to posit such a dumb slippery-slope argument is too stupid to comprehend any counter-argument based on why it is wrong.
Therefore, piss off and take your stupid book of superstitious nonsense with you!
While you're leaving, ponder why your alleged God seems to ignore quite a lot, really. Of course, when you say, "God," you really mean yourself, you vicarious mouth-breather, you!
The only failure of atheism is its failure to console those who fear the existential void. Religion, on the other hand, has made a career of failing, hence the endless excuses.
Well, the difference between homosexuality and murder and rape, thievery and adultery is that homosexuality isn't hurting anyone. It's between two (or more) CONSENTING adults.
Why don't any of them get that whole consenting bit?
"Why don't any of them get that whole consenting bit?"
They think that consent has nothing to do with it. To them, it's all about "what God says!" That is, what THEY SAY God says.
You kind of contradict yourself when you say "No one is going to hell because they are homosexual. But some will go to hell for practicing homosexuality", then go on to say "it is biologically evident that no one is born a homosexual"...
If you state that people are homosexual then you are accepting that homosexuality is innate to those people.
@Mithras
You don't get the Christian mindset. To them, God's commands are the law. Two adults cannot consent to rob a bank and get away with it just because they consented to commit the crime together. Thereby, two adults cannot consent to break God's law by committing a homosexual act. Consenting or not, they are still breaking God's law.
OK, it's still bullshit, but as it's Christianity, this is the one true bullshit, as opposed to all the other, false bullshit out there.
mfw that entire page:
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"...should God also ignore the sins of murder and rape, thievery and adultery? "
He does. Every day. Multiple times per day.
What was your point?
If your version of god hates sin so much, why did he set it up so that it was released on mankind? He put the one tree that would be the downfall of Adam and Eve right in the middle. Told them not to eat it even though they had no concept of right or wrong. Allowed the 'devil' to roam the Earth where he had nothing between him and the Garden of Eden.
He basically set it up like a chess master against a novice. The whole thing was entrapment.
Really, if you break it down. Clearly god *wanted* sin in the world, he wanted a reason to discipline his creations because he's a violent douche bag with nothing better to do.
Stonespiral,
Some of the more sociopathic fundies would agree with you, oddly enough. Sye Ten Bruggencate, for example, states that Yahweh wants to torture people as a show of force, and many other Calvinists such as Vincent Cheung would agree.
No one is going to hell because they are homosexual. But some will go to hell for practicing homosexuality.
Since Jesus said that simply having a lustful thought means you've committed adultery, I'd have to say that simply having a lustful thought about the same sex would means you have committed Homosexuality... thus they will go to hell simply for BEING Homosexual.
Unless you want to say Jesus lied... because that's what you'd have to do.
In fact, it is biologically evident that no one is born a homosexual
Um, didn't we prove that people are... 6 years ago?
If one believes God should ignore the sin of homosexuality, should God also ignore the sins of murder and rape, thievery and adultery?
But all you have to do is pray for forgiveness... and God will IGNORE ALL YOUR SINS!
You don't know shit about how any god feels, but maybe you're onto something with all that "hate"
Why is it that you're only concerned with that one sin that Gob hates? Maybe you have a fixation problem?
Why not hate on some real civilization-buster sins? Gluttony = free fucking pass. Greed = it's fucking encouraged. Envy = it's the Merrican dream.
Comparing a loving human relationship between two adults to murder and rape (which are sometimes ok or even commanded by your god) makes you an asshole, and not a very credible one.
Sounds like you're the ridiculous one, projector.
they have no evidence of such a biological claim
Sure they do. There's no evidence that someone's attraction to someone of the same sex (or even the opposite sex) can be changed. There is a positive correlation between being a gay man and having a gay uncle on the mother's side. There is a positive correlation between being a gay man and male birth order. OK. There's three. Now what do you have that suggests otherwise?
Would you care to attempt crafting a rational argument demonstrating that engaging in sex with a consenting adult partner of your own gender is ethically indistinguishable from forcing sex upon an unwilling partner of the opposite gender?
Or would you rather simply admit that your attempted analogy between homesexuality and rape is just one big bag full of fail?
"GOD DOESN’T HATE HOMOSEXUALS HE HATES BIGOTRY
There is a difference between fundamentalism and rationality, just as there is a difference between Assholery and Empathy. Today’s fundamentalist movement wants to pretend that everything in the bible is 100% fact, but they have no evidence of such a stupid claim. As much as they would prefer to have an excuse for their bigotry, they are stuck without one.
If one believes God should forsake the homosexuals, should God also forsake the Feminist and Civil Rights Movements? After all, what’s the difference? All three promote equal rights and basic decency! If one pretends that God condones bigotry, One may as well pretend that God is a sociopath."
fixed, I think. I might wind up quoted for this.
@Morningstar
Quoted For Truth, you mean.
If you were to be FSTDT-submitted it would likely quickly fail in PubAd for not being fundie or darndest. Most FSTDT submissions are a LOT worse than what you have commented.
"One may as well pretend that God loves sin."
One may as well pretend that sin is a thing. One also may as well pretend that Bible God exists. They are both pretenses that will suit the gullible of nature or the jerky arsehole.
GOD DOESN’T HATE LEFTIES HE HATES SIN
There is a difference in being and acting. Nobody is born left-handed that is just the satanic-fascist-communist-leftist-movement pretending that there is a genetic cause for left-handed behaviour. They even try to equate it to inherent properties like Christianity!
If you believe that God should ignore the sin of left-handedness, should God also ignore baby-raping-cannibal-arsonist-serial killers because they were just born that way? Don’t be ridiculous! One may as well pretend that God doesn't want to eternally torture people for behaviour that is completely harmless to others and suppression of which could be really damaging to the individual.
In fact, it is biologically evident that no one is born a homosexual any more than one is born a rapist, murderer, alcholic or child abuser.
Wow, you fail on all of this. There are people who are born with mental illness that makes them predisposed to committing murder and rape if they don't get help. And there are also people who are predisposed to alcoholism. Failed analogy.
And by that same lines, there are people who are born homosexuals, and yes, BORN homosexual.
Confused?
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