Jason Lisle: In the atheist's worldview you are just bags of chemicals with no purpose
Tony: Thats a fallacy of composition
Jason Lisle:It would only be the fallacy of composition if humans are more than just bags of chemicals. If we had a soul for example. But on your worldview, there can be no fallacy because humans are simply bags of chemicals with no design or purpose
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Well done Mr Lisle, you perfectly demonstrated a fallacy of composition.
Even if each and every individual component part of a human has no overriding meaning or purpose, that doesn't mean that the whole, the human itself, has no meaning or purpose.
Just because those chemicals individually can't feel happiness or fulfilment, doesn't mean that the human that they assemble can't either.
That, my friend, is a fallacy of composition.
Cars are merely a collection glass, steel, rubber and fabric. Those materials have no intrinsic purpose, therefore cars have no purpose.
See, I can talk like an idiot too.
1. That's not the fallacy of composition.
2. That's not how the fallacy of composition works.
3. That's circular reasoning.
4. Atheism isn't a worldview, but it can be a part of a worldview. For example I am an atheist, evolutionary constructionist (constructs come from intelligence which comes from a need to survive, constructs are subject to an evolutionary process we call "culture"), libertarian socialist and social libertarian.
4. The fact that atheists don't believe in god doesn't mean they don't believe in souls. Sure, you will have problems finding one in the Western World, but try any buddhist monk.
5. For the "no purpose"-bit: the fact that something wasn't made with a purpose or consciously does not mean it will not be given a purpose later. What the purpose of life is, I don't know, but I can still do something with it which I see as valueable.
No, it's the atheist's worldview that idiots like Jason Lisle are just bags of chemicals with no purpose.
Why is it so hard for idiots like this to google secular humanism?
He is half right, in that atheism generally says there is no TEH LAWD to give humans a design or purpose. This, of course, doesn't mean we cannot give a purpose to ourselves, nor does it make your homebrew purpose any lesser in meaning than the one supposedly given by TEH LAWD.
We know that atheists and fundies have different worldviews. For instance, atheists favour reality whereas fundies favour delusion.
Fundies, in general, are also partial to lying, quote mining, cherry picking, persecuting minorities, ignorance, misogyny and gullibility. Atheists, generally speaking, take the opposite tack.
Anyone ever realised that if there IS a God like this tit believes, there can be no fallacy because that God can go and change the way the universe works at any point...
So every time this twerp goes on about "logic" or "reason" he is stating that the God he believes in doesn't actually fucking exist!
In the atheist's worldview you are just bags of chemicals with no purpose
So what? As someone once said, the purpose of an egg is to make another egg.
Now now, the concept of Emergent Properties is a tough, counterintuitive thing for most folks to comprehend.
Easier just to say "soul," I guess.
Rather than refute this for the billionth time, let's just investigate the alleged "purpose of life" according to Christianity and the other Abrahamic faiths.
Here is the purpose: Obedience to God on Earth, and eternal worship of God in Heaven.
That just isn't a purpose that any modern person can feel is in any way adequate. That idea has very little appeal except to masochists.
If something like a soul would actually exist, we would probably not only know about it by now, but the fundies would probably say something like, "meh, we are not just mere bags of chemicals and ectoplasm, there has to be some kind of a mystic double-soul as well!"
Ok, you're still making this stupid argument, let me put it differently:
A rock has no inherent purpose.
Humans have no inherent purpose.
If I use it to destroy your skull then the rock has a purpose, because I have assigned one to it.
You see, purpose doesn't have to be an inherent end-goal, it can be temporary and constantly changing.
A human has whatever purpose society, the significant ones in their lives, or even they themselves assign to them.
I suspect that there is little chance of anybody assigning you a purpose, though, in fact I'd have more use for a rock than I would for ten of you.
We might not have an inherent purpose, but that does not mean that we cannot be helpfull, caring, intelligent or create or own purpose in live. It does not mean that we cannot live the best possible life, both for our own benefit, and that of others.
"I am a tiny insignificant ignorant bit of carbon. I have one life and it is short and unimportant, but thanks to recent scientific advances I get to life twice as a long. Twice as long to life this life of mine, twice as long to love this wife of mine, twice as many years of friends and wine." Tim Minchin
Humans are bags of chemicals with no design purpose...fact. It makes us feel bad so we invent meaning and religion and art and science and all the rest of it, but this is all a distraction for our impending death. I never said religion didn't have a reason (who wants this to be the truth?). I guess it's not politically correct to say this?
Atheists: The Hows of things.
Fundies: The Whys of things.
Your Phalluses are bags of chemicals with no purpose. After all, if we are all made in your 'God's image, then why does God have a penis?! [/hyper-smartarse] [/Fridge Logic]
And you lot always bang on & on about 'Sex is BAD, mm'kay?!' and all that jazz. Matthew 18:9, and all that jazz II...! Then you lot can Fuck Yourselves! >:D
...meanwhile, I'm gonna think of How I'm gonna give the lady in my life more mind-shattering orgasms with my bag of chemicals tonight. And my plallus isn't a Fallacy! X3
Confused?
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