[Replying to the remark that we as a human species are not weak, but robust as shown by our scientific advances]

Scientific advances? Like polluting the environment and inventing cancer!?

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I was an atheist most of my life, since the age of about 12. After ditching the tooth fairy, easter bunny and santa claus, God was next in line. This was my liberation. I was of the opinion that there was no God, and that all rational people should draw the same conclusion. The only thing that could possibly budge me from my position was EVIDENCE.

Well, in September 2004, I got the evidence. Absolute proof in fact. I got it shortly after I wrote message 666 on the 3rd anniversary of 9/11. Message 666 was the culmination of my 37 years of searching for the words to describe my ideology/religion (as an atheist I was STRONGLY supporting freedom and human rights). You can read about message 666 here (I've posted it before):

<a href="http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html" target="_blank">http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html</a>

However, as you have probably guessed already, the proof that I was given was not independently scientifically verifiable. Which means you have no option other than to dismiss it. Or at most, you can only accept it as a theory. So anyway, here is the "theory":

We are living in a computer simulation, and God is the computer programmer. This model does not require supernatural powers. All it requires is for us to have computer technology more advanced than we have at the moment - Artificial Intelligence for starters. In a 15 billion year history, don't you think it is quite improbable that we happened to be born just when computers, nukes and the internet were invented? And also just when the USSR collapsed opening the way for worldwide freedom. And on a millenium year as well. A mere 1 million years either way would have drastically altered the simulation. Hell, even 1000 years either way would have drastically changed things.

I believe the universe is only a few decades old. God didn't sit around twiddling his thumbs for 15 billion years waiting for us to evolve. The whole thing is simulated. The whole universe is just a "virtual reality". We're probably really on a space ship, and this simulation is being run for entertainment purposes (can you think of anything better than a virtual reality to keep yourself entertained?).

And the reason God doesn't want to prove his existence is so that people will become atheists and be totally free. This is what he wants. He doesn't want to tell people how to live their lives, he wants us to make up our own rules. The only way we can be totally free is if we believe there is no God, or at least, that there's no God who's going to sit in judgement. In actual fact, we are all NATURAL ANIMALS. None of us are sinners. We all act in accordance with our genes, reacting to our environment, and using our imperfect logic skills. None of these things are our fault.

Anyway, my point is that there is definitely an intelligent entity in another dimension to us. So if you're a hard-core atheist, think again, because you're actually wrong (even though I can't scientifically prove that to your satisfaction). You need to update your model and allow for the possibility of a God, and convert to agnosticism instead. BTW, a computer simulation gives a logical reason why we can't reproduce life from raw ingredients - the properties are defined in software, which we don't have access to.

Even if a man and a woman do not want children, 99.9999999% still have sex with each other. Thus marriage=sexual union.

It would be hard to imagine a more inverted view of reality. *Evolution* (!?) is a compelling explanation for biology? You've got to be kidding. Have you been living in a cave or something?

Similarly, even if you understood the details of how the gods control the weather, you still couldn't know what the weather would be without knowing the laws of meteorology, because other factors than the gods' actions are involved.

According to my theology, the gods' primary influence on the world is chance events. And what's more of a chance event than gambling? Therefore, each god must strive very hard to be the one who controls the state lotteries, and even standard casino gambling must be valuable.

How is it that there are so many happy, joyous, and fufilled nuns in the world? These women have given up freedom, possessions, children, and marraige, and yet, they are joyful... Does this speak to any athiests in support of the existence of God? If not, to what do you attribute their happiness?

Well, if it makes you feel any better, the god in question might have chosen those numbers [in the lottery] on the basis of who he wanted to win the large runner-up prize. After all, every choice has a certain amount of by-product effect.

I know your type and a mountain falling on your head wouldn't convince you. Just remember, if you can, the following word : 'Ooops'. It'll be most appropriate for you on a certain special Day.

I feel sorry about your (apparent) lack of intelligence... But that is not the point of this thread. You have still evaded the question -- Why are sisters happy?

Well in science there is a rule called Occam's Razor which, roughly translated, means one shouldn't contrive complex and unneccesary explanations. The explanation that presents appear on Christmas morning because of Santa is one such explanation. The explanation that God is the cause of existence is not one such explanation.

Hey, why mess around with religion, politics, the weather, and the populations of small animals (all of which are also excellent ways for the gods to influence the world) when you can just decide which numbers come up in the lottery? But anything that valuable must be a highly coveted commodity, so any given god doesn't control the lottery all the time. In this vein, it seems strange that Yahweh would forbid gambling. I think the likely explanation is that that was a non-inspired mistake in the Bible--an imperfection not put in by Yahweh at all.

A gay person CANNOT have sex. How do two men have sex? One sticking his {graphic detail deleted}? Is this sex? No. Why? Because ... [the structures involved] were not designed for this.

Marriage is a bond of love and unifying sexual union. Two gays cannot have this, because there is no sexual union between two people, there is no procreation, or the sembelence thereof.

Now to humanity. Unlike animals, we have feelings and emotions.

Let's look at biology. The male and the female are designed tio have sexual intercourse with each other for the sake of procreation. Two males or two females cannot procreate, thus there is no sexual bond or activity, thus unnatural acts.

'Mindless slaughter', you say? Do you have a direct hot-line into God's mind? Do you know His purpose and reasons?

I believe you are refering to when a single woman is raped and then given in marriage to her attacker. he is never allowed to leave her, as defined in the old testament laws. I believe this system was in place to protect the woman and any offsrping she might have as a result.

If you say there is no reason to believe in theistic evolution, I will agree with you. I find theistic evolution the best way to keep my cherished beliefs without having to go to war against the facts. Theistic evolution is a compromise, certainly, but it's the only way to keep vital faith without resorting to creationism. If someone should convince me that theistic evolution is an untenable position, I will inevitably become a creationist, because full-fledged materialism is for me not an option.

Yes, science has got us out of the 'Dark Ages', certainly, but at what price? I think I'd be much happier if I were living in the so-called Dark Ages than now. Then there was certainty, now only doubt all the time.

I use reason for most of life. When I drive my car, I use reason and logic, so I'm quite safe to be driving by. But as concerns beginnings and endings, logic and reason lead to a place where I do not want to go, so I dispense with them. I assure you, I have no choice in the matter: it is either faith or the lunatic asylum for me.

No scientific evidence, verified or unverified, can be allowed to take precedence over the existence of life after death. That is my dogma, my fixed assumption, and I have an absolute and desperate stake in that belief. If I stop believing in life after death, I shall find myself in a lunatic asylum very soon. I will not debate life after death, and I will not look at evidence against life after death. I believe in theistic evolution because it provides the promise of an afterlife.

And how could Muhammed be in the Bible? He wasn't born until 500 years after it was written.

And I also believe I have a right to ignore science when it conflicts with my personal happiness. Scientists have the freedom to give naturalistic interpretations to Near-Death Experiences, and I have the right to ignore those interpretations completely. I accept heliocentrism and evolution because the price to pay is not unbearable; but I will never accept a scientific finding that points to the absence of life after death - that's really too much to bear.

I'm not a Christian. Notice is 'they' can't find any other reason to be right, then 'they' go to the basic religious insult.

My attitude towards science is very much one of mistrust, contempt and fear. Man had many comforts of faith in the past, such as geocentrism and special creationism, and science has done all to violate those shrines. I concede heliocentrism and evolution, but I will not let science touch God and the afterlife. If science says there is no God and no afterlife, then science can go to hell.

I don't give a rat's ass about Occam's Razor. That's just another idol people worship.

People generally accept atheism so they can indulge their own selfish desires and ideals...

And read the verse again. God will send them a delusion so that THEY may believe a lie. God isn't lying - He specifically states He will send a delusion.

Atheism is about an inflated ego trip. This forum reflects that. You all are so full of yourselves that you have painted your self into a corner, so when your back is against the wall, your pride won’t allow you to look to Jesus for help. What a sad state you are in.

The way I look at it, faith in God is something we're born with...

Things can be real even if you can't prove them to others. I can't prove to other people that God and the afterlife are real, but the fact remains that they are real, no matter what people believe.

And there won't be organ music playing [during the Rapture] - it will be trumpets ( and im not even sure unbelievers will be able to hear them).

I've heard of women boasting of having orgasms during abortions. They are no doubt very rare, but there isn't a doubt in my mind that some women hate the children inside them.

What if you were a kid [in Noah's day]? Do you know what the world was like back then? 100% pure evil and corruption. The only good in existence was found in Noah and his family. Which means, like kids do - they follow their parents example - become murderers, haters, rapists, theives etc., grow up to the point of understanding sin - reject God's warning - receive just punishment and end up in hell. As oppose to judging their original sin, along with the rest of the world - and taking them to heaven - before they are held accountable for their sins.

The Constitution doesn't grant rights to anyone, because only dictators have that power.

I had a tree limb hit me in the head, and by all appearances to all who were present, I was dead. But when my wife cried out a prayer to God, I began to breathe again. Now you can discount all this and laugh it away, but the fact remains that they and many other miracles have happened during my walk with the Lord. Why didn’t He just heal my bones and why did I have to spend 5 days in the hospital after I got hit by that tree limb? God knows.

It was because of atheism that I reached a logical conclusion that allowed me to lose my compassion for other people. I realize that not everyone who holds an atheistic belief will follow that belief to its logical end, and/or act upon that conclusion if it is eventually reached. The only way I can logically see me losing my compassion for people again is if I lose my faith.

I don't care how you interpret your experience. For me, N[ear]D[eath]E[xperience]s are evidence of life after death, and nothing anyone says could ever change that. And even if there weren't NDEs at all, I'd believe in life after death. My beliefs are independent of evidence. Blind faith is what makes me tick.

I heard it on a radio talk show where the caller who brought it up was a rabid anti-abortionist.

My claim is that the God of the Bible created all men. This statement must be either affirmed or denied. I will limit this argument to two types of people those who affirm this statement and those who deny it. Those who deny it need to give proof that God doesn’t exist.

The main philosophical argument for the existance of a deity is, in my view, if God did not exist we would never mention Him.

Why was slavery allowed? It was a way to repay debtors, a good many of the slaves were willing.

[Replying to 'have you looked into other religions?']No I haven't. Don't need to, Christ is the real God, all others are offshoots and false religions that mimicked the Christian/YHWH religion.

My idea of what we will do in heaven is the same thing we were supposed to do in the beginning. Love God, let him love us, revel in that relationship, and do whatever work he assigns us to do.

You are in a state of denial. Gays are their own worse enemy, and misery loves company. For example, almost 50% of the gays segregated themselves into isolated communities in NYC, SFS, and LA.

this is true. and the reason is because man is a supernatural being, and the experiences of a human ordinarily point him to the supernatural, thus evidence that God exists.

[Replying to a statement that heaven sounds boring]I see, so that sounds worse then spending all of eternity in an unquenching fire with nothing to do but suffer and be tormented, with no relief whatsoever? Are you a masochist?

You really don't know much about Roman Catholicism do you? It is the most heretical, unbiblical load of crap there is. Ever been to Rapture Ready? The apologetics topics are 90% of the time about Catholics because of how completely unbiblical they are. The Catechism and the Vatican/Pope take precedence over the Bible. 90% of the Doctrine Catholics follow are based on the Catechism, not the Bible, and they not only have no scriptural support - they have scriptural verses that specifically say what they believe in is wrong and blasphemy. The Catholic church is the biggest disgrace to Christianity there is.