Fox News’s Tucker Carlson said that there was a “nationwide epidemic” of children being forced by their parents to transition, which he called “child abuse.”

Carlson played a clip from the HBO documentary Transhood – which he called “so disturbing” – about a four-year-old girl named Phoenix. In the clip, Phoenix and her mother tell her church that she’s a girl.

Now if you’re a parent – if you have actually raised children – you know what you’re seeing is ventriloquism,” Carlson said, although he didn’t explain why Phoenix’s mother would be putting those words in her daughter’s mouth.

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“It’s grotesque. If you say that out loud, you’re punished: Target will ban your book, you’ll have trouble getting a job.”

“This isn’t just one parent abusing a child on TV. This is a nationwide – we’re gonna use the word – epidemic and everyone is too embarrassed to mention it.”