[Replying to the remark that we as a human species are not weak, but robust as shown by our scientific advances]

Scientific advances? Like polluting the environment and inventing cancer!?

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I was an atheist most of my life, since the age of about 12. After ditching the tooth fairy, easter bunny and santa claus, God was next in line. This was my liberation. I was of the opinion that there was no God, and that all rational people should draw the same conclusion. The only thing that could possibly budge me from my position was EVIDENCE.

Well, in September 2004, I got the evidence. Absolute proof in fact. I got it shortly after I wrote message 666 on the 3rd anniversary of 9/11. Message 666 was the culmination of my 37 years of searching for the words to describe my ideology/religion (as an atheist I was STRONGLY supporting freedom and human rights). You can read about message 666 here (I've posted it before):

<a href="http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html" target="_blank">http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html</a>

However, as you have probably guessed already, the proof that I was given was not independently scientifically verifiable. Which means you have no option other than to dismiss it. Or at most, you can only accept it as a theory. So anyway, here is the "theory":

We are living in a computer simulation, and God is the computer programmer. This model does not require supernatural powers. All it requires is for us to have computer technology more advanced than we have at the moment - Artificial Intelligence for starters. In a 15 billion year history, don't you think it is quite improbable that we happened to be born just when computers, nukes and the internet were invented? And also just when the USSR collapsed opening the way for worldwide freedom. And on a millenium year as well. A mere 1 million years either way would have drastically altered the simulation. Hell, even 1000 years either way would have drastically changed things.

I believe the universe is only a few decades old. God didn't sit around twiddling his thumbs for 15 billion years waiting for us to evolve. The whole thing is simulated. The whole universe is just a "virtual reality". We're probably really on a space ship, and this simulation is being run for entertainment purposes (can you think of anything better than a virtual reality to keep yourself entertained?).

And the reason God doesn't want to prove his existence is so that people will become atheists and be totally free. This is what he wants. He doesn't want to tell people how to live their lives, he wants us to make up our own rules. The only way we can be totally free is if we believe there is no God, or at least, that there's no God who's going to sit in judgement. In actual fact, we are all NATURAL ANIMALS. None of us are sinners. We all act in accordance with our genes, reacting to our environment, and using our imperfect logic skills. None of these things are our fault.

Anyway, my point is that there is definitely an intelligent entity in another dimension to us. So if you're a hard-core atheist, think again, because you're actually wrong (even though I can't scientifically prove that to your satisfaction). You need to update your model and allow for the possibility of a God, and convert to agnosticism instead. BTW, a computer simulation gives a logical reason why we can't reproduce life from raw ingredients - the properties are defined in software, which we don't have access to.

Here's my logic. If God exists then there must be natural laws(which He created and are easily observable) and supernatural laws(which He also created, but rarely play a part in the natural world). If God does not exist then, at no point in time will there be a 'law' in which science cannot explain.

But anyway i will just say to you that Islam is unlike anything you know,if you inspect its sharia (Islamic law) you may realize that its really common sense.Put by god to protect each human from protecting sin and if he did it the society or the state must punish him in order to keep the society safe and secure.

[Replying to 'every mass murderer says that']Yes, but mass murderers are not omnscient.

There is an apostate religious power which has existed from antiqueties which is and will enforce the mark of the beast in the last days. This power is none other than the papal power from Rome. I can show you right from the Bible how to id it and how its going to come about in prophecy.

I'm askin if you have heard of this specific theory, because its really not too far fetched

Interracial marriages involve a man and a woman, the legally and socially accepted version of 'marriages.' So based on that, no, you cannot compare the two as the issue is SAME SEX (at present, the legally and socially unaccepted version)...

No, genocide is the 'punishing' of groups of people because of who they are and the hateful feelings toward them by fabricating their crimes. While the Israelites were God's capital punishers of actual criminals.

... the calendar has remained basically the same with some minor changes happening when we went from a Julian to a Gregorian calendar or vice versa... Its really a miracle if you think about it and I almost believe that God has had a hand in maintaining the weekly cycle through the years. Theres certainly no logical reason to hold onto a 7 day week cycle. A ten day cycle would probably work better but the fact we have stayed on the present system speaks for a possible supernatural support of it.

Yeah, I know, sorry, its just so shocking to see Lana who made the most convincing oncological arguments for god is an atheist now. [Emphasis added]

The bedrock of marriage has for the better part always been between a man and a woman, period! Now, if you'd care to prove otherwise then please feel free to do so. And try keeping it in the Eurocentric and American perspectives and not some tiny village in South America or something.

[Replying to 'Homosexuality does not hurt people']Tell that to the woman who comes home to find her husband in bed with another man.

I mean really, if it was that acceptable then why don't we have more gays represented on television, radio, movies, etc.? Sure, we have 'Will & Grace,' but why not 'Jack & John' or 'The Days of our Gay Lives?' Hmmm...?

And what does being a great pacifist mean? Ghandi was still a sinner and still fell short of God's glory. Had he repented of his sins to God, he'd be in Heaven and probably receive many rewards for his good deeds on Earth. But he rejected God, and died to his sins.

... another reason I think its heretical. The RCC wants nothing more than more money. They aren't out to bring anyone to Christ, only to raise finances to fund the Pope's mansion.

Of course they were against freethought, that is a Judeo-Christian principle!

Life isn't fair and it wasn't meant to be. Just suck it up (deal with the fact that your gay marriage isn't accepted, legally and/or socially - at this time) and move on...

You can ask all the brain bending, faith testing questions you want, but all I will think is (I know you hate this) 'goddidit'. And yes, that is exactly how Christians think about such things.

i[t']s basically saying that to give gays the same benefits and status as heterosexual marriages is tantamount to giving something of what you earned to another who didn't rightfully earn it.

No... it is faith in Jesus Christ that leads unto salvation and if your bible tells you that it can make you wise unto salvation [II Tim 3:14ff] you better burn it before it burns you.

[After being made fun of]Don't you think that actually addressing the merits of the discussion would be a far more effective method of argumentation than throwing every curve ball (i.e., logical fallacies) you can muster in some foolhardly, yet vain attempt to discredit that which you clearly cannot do with a valid rebuttal argument?

The hoops I jump through now defending orthodox xianity is nothing compared to the hoops that many will be jumping through when they cry, 'But when were you hungry and needed food; and thirsty and needed drink; and sick and in prison and needed visitation?'

The Earth used to have another layer around the biosphere which was mostly moisture(most anthropoligists agree the earth used to stay at a constant temperature-this may help explain why...) , and a passing planet with an elliptical orbit to our own destroyed it, causing a great rain in some form or another... As far as I know this as the same as the planet x theory, 12th planet, or nibiru

[Replying to (paraphrased) 'Unnatural?! Here are some gay animals']At this time are those lesbian monkeys in China making a legal stand to have their marriage recognized so they can obtain tax and other benefits?

[To a poster who explains, from personal experience, that surviving lightning is surprisingly common]How do you know Satan didn't try to kill you with lightning bolts, and God was protecting you since it wasn't your time?

In this particular instance God is giving a 'deceiving message' to the prophet which has spoken to the idolater... God didn't lie to anyone here, He's misleading false prophets to show them for what they are.

Other groups of people probably abandoned God and his people, and went their own separate ways. They had different, unknown languages and... outcasts sought shelter in caves, and its there they further developed their language, art, communication etc, originating the concept of the 'cavemen'.

Yes I think there is a verse in the Bible saying Satan has the power to control lightning ( don't know it off the top of my head though). He is the prince of the power of the air.

Just because we closely resemble something [found earlier in the fossil record] does not mean we evolved from it. What about the pig. We are closer to the pig genetically than the ape. Are we evolved from pigs?

No, our rebellion brought about women to have pain in childbirth, ie narrowing of the pelvic girdles

And even if they did choose which scripture was put in the Bible, the Catholic church was never the heretical temple of blasphemy that it is now... You can whine all you want about me objecting to the RCC. It is a creation of Satan and the Pope is his greatest asset.

No, knowledge is permanent, nutrition is not, it has to be renewed. The Tree of Life was a super nutritious fruit tree that protected us from disease, mutations, and etc. So after it was metabolized we needed to eat some more in order to live forever.

I know why I don't believe it. I have reasons... - I think the universe is way to complex to have to come from single cell organisms.

I didn't come to start a fight, just to get the minds working, wow. My point is, as time goes by people are fighting harder and harder to try to prove evolution. Theoretically as science continues and knowledge increases, shouldn't it get easier to prove evolution if its true?

You assume what you see [in the fossil record] is correct. Well, last Saturday I watched this guy by the name of David Angel [sic] (the street magician) literally walk UP the side of a building. I saw it hapen therefore, he must have really done it, right?

Why do you feel that you must create controversy...? Would it not be better to just try to tolerate someone who is different from yourself...?

If you are gonna call something a fact that can't be proven as such, i'm gonna call you on it. Either prove, 100% undeniably that humans descended from apes, or cut the arrogant 'we know all' crap.

At least I have hope that the millions of children in the world dying and starving will eventually be happy, and cease suffering... In the atheistic world, children will die and suffer endlessly as long as the Earth is still here. Thats a heck of a lot more depressing than the children eventually getting to be happy and experience joy and love, instead of hunger and disease.

If Jesus is the person who he said he was, and truely performed the miracles the Bible says he did, then that obviouslly affirms the exsitence of God. 1)What scientific evidence exists to disprove the existence of Jesus as a man? 2)Further more, what reasoning can disprove his relation to God?

But what if you are wrong. I know its practically impossible to prove either way, BUT WHAT IF?

Darwin wasn't even a scientist... There are simply too many gaps in the fossil records to prove Darwinian evolution. Many scientists today say that Darwins ideas are hypothetical at best

It doesn't say how God did it. For all we know, He teleported the animals there. It's irrelevant. If God can create an entire universe by speaking, He can certaintly bring some animals to an ark safe and sound.

... I know for a fact you consider their [creationist] reasoning and claims absurd at best. I'd say because it goes against the only world view you know. Talkorigins isn't all its cracked up to be, and I think atheists use it way too much. Its like their security blanket.

They were doing something unscriptural and God was warning them to get back on track or Satan ( who can control the weather) tried to kill off the main actor so the movie couldn't finish, and God protected him. Either way, its beyond a freaky coincidence.

God assigned sinfullness to humanity long before Christians existed. ( And don't give me that arrogant crap of 'I know God doesn't exist, so He didn't assign anything' - i'm so sick of atheists superiority complex i could spit).

That is exactly what I'm talking about. Christianity is the only religion that warrants all these attempts at refutation. (warning very general statement here) Other religions are so obviously false that there is really no point.

More stupid rants that make you look like a child throwing a temper tantrum... And news for you, I'm not a protestant, so how about you shut up?

I'm not saying might is right, I'm saying God is perfect, and therefore is the only being in existence who can fairly judge people. And people are born deserving eternal torture, they are born deserving spiritual separation from God. And atheists want just that, so God isn't being cruel, He is just giving you what you want; a place completely devoid of God and everything good that goes along with Him. Without love, peace, joy, happiness, rest, fun etc., i'd imagine life would be pretty torturous.