California Gov. Newsom blasted the Trump administration’s violent, heavy-handed crackdown on anti-ICE demonstrations in Los Angeles, claiming that “Democracy is in the balance.” White Christian nationalist pastor Joel Webbon agreed that it is, but declared that democracy is “wicked” and must “fall”

Webbon played a Sky News video of Gov. Newsom reacting to President Trump’s order to federalize the California National Guard in service of his authoritarian, anti-immigrant agenda, which Newsom called “illegal,” “unconstitutional,” and “immoral”

Webbon replied that he didn’t believe the order was “unconstitutional” or “immoral.” And while he acknowledged that it may very well be “illegal,” he said that “if that’s the case, it’s because California is corrupt.” But, he did say that he agreed with Gov. Newsom that democracy is “in the balance” — with one caveat

“[A]nd I just wanna agree with Gavin when he says, he’s, like, quite literally, our democracy is at stake,” Webbon said. “And what people need to realize is, that’s absolutely true. And we are rooting against democracy. Yeah. Democracy is at stake. If good prevails, democracy will fall”

“And may it rest in peace, you know, or rest in pieces,” he added. “But, like, we, like — he’s right. Like, he’s like this is against [democracy]. So in the same way he says this is illegal. He’s right. The laws are wrong. Or this is against democracy. He’s right. Democracy is wicked. It’s wrong. It’s immoral”