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Parodyx:
(Homosexuality) is found throughout nature, therefore natural.

Oboehner:
Rape, murder, incest, cannibalism, torture, bestiality, etc. are all found in nature so according to you - natural.

Parodyx:
Here we go again, back to the same acts of abuse which homosexuality isn't. Is this a fun game for you?

Oboehner:
Here we go again using lame nonsense about gay being natural and running to hide when someone points out that your logic makes all the other things the occur in nature natural as well - by the exact same standard.

Parodyx:
The response to that is still the same response it has always been, the same response you've gotten from other people, the same response you will always hear from anyone halfway reasonable: CONSENT. Which, not coincidentally, is the word YOU unfailingly run hiding from- every single time.

Oboehner:
You stated if it happens in nature it's normal, you lying bro?

Parodyx:
I'll play your game. I stand by my statement. Now you get to explain to me why you think rape and torture are normal.

Oboehner:
My son and I recently witnessed 10-15 male ducks gang-raping a female (who repeatedly tried to get away). Have you ever seen a cat with a torturing a mouse, or heard the death scream of a rabbit caught in the talons of an owl? You also neglected to address cannibalism, incest, and pedophilia which also occur in nature so therefore according to you are all natural. Homosexuality is a state of being - being mentally/emotionally ill.

Parodyx:
None of those things is what any reasonable person would call torture (or incest or pedophilia). The animal kingdom has its own set of rules for what takes place. Cats eat mice. Owls eat rabbits. Since the medical world has no issue with homosexuality, I don't either. And your reason boils down simply to the superstition you were raised with.

Oboehner:
Now we are attempting to create different rules to justify you lame ridiculous statements?
Animals mate out of instinct, for example when a whitetail buck is in the rut, it will "breed" anything that resembles a doe (including each other). My wife's aunt one sent her a postcard depicting a buck doing a German Shepherd, so according to you bestiality is natural.
The honest medical world know homosexuality is a mental/emotional disorder. Nothing changed since the APA first put it on their list except political pressure.

Parodyx:
Bestiality is defined as a human being having sex with an animal. It's not defined as an animal having sex with another animal. The APA changed their stance because they got better data and it's only gotten better since then. I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can lobby a medical organization. Especially when you are a marginalized group with little to no power as it was with homosexuals in the 1970s, but I get that you need your confirmation bias provided by hate groups.

Oboehner:
Cross species is cross species no matter who does it. Then homo must be two humans and not two animals - so you lie again.
"The APA changed their stance because they got better data." Another lie, it was political period, no new data, just PC BS.
I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can't lobby a medical organization with enough pressure.

Parodyx:
You can't. Science is science. How do you lobby something that is authoritative? That's your problem right there. You don't accept authority. So running away with your hands covering your ears means that you can pretend evolution doesn't occur and even consulting a dictionary to you is an "appeal to authority". It isn't an appeal if the source is iron-clad factual. This is your way of trying to level the playing field so that everything becomes "faith" when your own faith is ridiculed when it makes bigoted statements. Who's the troll now? Daresay it's you.
Speaking of authority and the dictionary, look up "bestiality" to see how your attempt to twist its meaning failed so horribly.

Oboehner:
"Science is science" What is that some kind of magic phrase to somehow prove anything?

"What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from
the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific
breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated
this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people
started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make
themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed.
And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle
would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their
entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and
forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally" - Behaviorism and Mental Health dot com

Jenny Ondioline:
Your problem Royce is that you want the decisions about who gets to form romantic relationships to be determined not by the governments who can determine if someone or something is being taken advantage of or abused, but by yourself based on nothing more than what your holy book tells you.

An incestuous relationship is vile to me because it blurs the areas between romantic love and nurturing love. If both parties are of consenting age there's nothing I or anyone else can do about it taking place. It doesn't mean I like it. And you could take a page from this - you can disapprove but still recognize that it's none of your business. I'm not overly concerned with this one because people aren't lining up to marry their mothers.

Who am I to say the children are being abused and are not consenting? Nobody, but I don't have to be. I point to the law that says a child can't consent until a legal age. At what point does a child stop being a child? Where the law says so. The line needs to be clearly drawn. What evidence is it you're looking for here? It's the law. Children need to be protected from predators just as animals do.

Different nations have different ages defining age of consent - some are lower than others and I might not like that but the law is the law. If enough people can make a case, in some of those countries the law gets changed. That's the best we can do.

See, Royce? No contradiction. Just thought out, reasoned words. Now how about you tell ME why two adult people of the same sex shouldn't legally enter into a romantic relationship. Please tell me who they are hurting. Please tell me where the abuse lies. Please tell me why you should be the one we all listen to to get it stopped.

Royce E. Van Blaricome:
LOL. There's that faux omniscience again! Or are you just practicing psychology without a license? Tell ya what, need time I wanna know what my problem is, just rest easy and know I'll rely on God who can actually tell me what it is because He knows!

Of course it's easier for you to divert from answering the questions by focusing on me being the problem instead of yourself. No surprise there. But you are spot on right when you say I let God's Holy inerrant, infallible, and timeless Word of God make my decisions for me.

Who are YOU to say an incestuous relationship blurs the areas between romantic love and nurturing love? Who appointed you God of the Universe and Omniscient to say that?

"If both parties are of consenting age there's nothing I or anyone else can do about it taking place. It doesn't mean I like it."

Now you know why I thanked you for showing that the Mother & Son should be allowed to marry. And that you lied when you said, "I don't support a mother and son incestuous relationship". Doing nothing to stop and prevent the incestuous relationship IS supporting it. Any good soldier knows that when you do nothing to prevent the advancing of the enemy you ARE aiding and abetting the enemy. So, once again, thanks for publicly showing that you do support incestuous relationships. And I imagine the other things I listed that were deleted as well.

"And you could take a page from this - you can disapprove but still recognize that it's none of your business."

What a hateful and totally unloving thing to say!! But hey, again, thanks for showing everyone just how hateful and unloving you are. That you would standby and do nothing while holding to an empty claim that it's none of your business. How pathetic.

"I'm not overly concerned with this one because people aren't lining up to marry their mothers."

Wrong! I just gave you the names of one who is and of a father/son marriage too. But, again, I thank you for putting your total selfishness on such a display.

"I point to the law that says a child can't consent until a legal age. At what point does a child stop being a child? Where the law says so."

Thank you for publicly displaying your acceptance and support for the two teachers who preyed on 13yo boys because it was LEGAL to do so. Thank you for publicly showing that if the age is changed to 10 or 9 or 8 or done away with, you're gonna be just fine with that because it's the LAW.

And, most of all, thank you for showing that your morality is contingent upon the will of the majority and whatever laws can be passed. What a grand witness and testimony for a superb reason to die to self and surrender to Christ and place your trust in Almighty God!!!

"Children need to be protected from predators just as animals do."

Thank you for equating children to animals. That explains a lot. I'd love to hear how you're gonna protect the bunnies from the coyotes, deer from the cougars, elk from the wolves, impalas from the lions, seals from the polar bears, and all animals from humans. That oughtta be a grand plan! LOL

"Different nations have different ages defining age of consent - some are lower than others and I might not like that but the law is the law."

There ya go again. What an utterly bankrupt morality.

"If enough people can make a case, in some of those countries the law gets changed. That's the best we can do."

Wait a minute, it's the Law! You said it's ok if it's the Law! Why bother trying to change it? In fact, why not just go back to the days when you weren't allowed to vote or hold certain public offices? After all, it was the LAW!! Why not follow the Law when Blacks weren't considered fully human or interracial marriage wasn't allowed? Do you support the Law or not?? Do you follow the Law or not? Ya need to make up your mind.

And I don't know who the "we" is that you refer to but it certainly does NOT include me or any other Christians. There is FAR MORE we can do!

"See, Royce? No contradiction. Just thought out, reasoned words."

Oh yeah, you've made that abundantly clear! LOL NOT!! Your "thought out, reasoned" words are insanity. LOL

"Now how about you tell ME why two adult people of the same sex shouldn't legally enter into a romantic relationship."

Ok. GOD.

"Please tell me who they are hurting."

Ok. Themselves and every single person who accepts, approves, and supports them.

"Please tell me where the abuse lies."

Ok. SIN.

"Please tell me why you should be the one we all listen to to get it stopped."

Ok. Because God says so. I am an Ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ. An image bearer. A light in the Darkness. One who brings the Truth. Commissioned by Christ to do so.

Now, I've answered your questions. Try answering mine. And answer this one too, just exactly why are you here? Exactly what are you trying to accomplish?