This doctor in India had 2 family members with serious side effects from the COVID shots. If such effects are rare, say 1 per 100K people, and there are 10 people in her family, we expect to see 1e-4 events, but observed 2. This can happen by chance with probability 5e-9.
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To list the obvious forever-failures:
1. A thousands of a percent is a very excessive threshold for something to be considered “rare”.
2. There are over eight BILLION people, so even one in a hundred thousand still yields eighty thousand instances.
3. Humans are indivisible. As such, there cannot be actually be such a thing as “1e-4 events” in real life - only a few cases where one person is affected, one person is affected, even fewer where more than one person is affected, and the vast majority of cases where nothing happened.
3a. Alternatively, both of them survived and are recovering, which could be counted as a “partial event”, lowering the number of events.
4. The only connection in this anecdote is a vague post hoc ergo propter hoc . She does not tell us anything about the distance between vaccination and incidents, nor the incidents against each other - remember, it’s been three and a half years since the vaccine in question was rolled out -, nor the time between the attacks. Furthermore, both suffered different crises.
5. We are talking about a father and daughter here. Two immediate blood relatives. People who are a 50% genetic match to each other. As such, the odds are not independent of each other - if one of them carries any genetic risk factors, than it is not unlikely at all that other members of the family also carry it.
Someone is lying to you
Yes, you are.
Also, the ages of the people involved could be a factor. Her sister could be within the age group most at-risk for a heart attack, and her father is certainly within the age group most likely to have a stroke!
If a thing has appeared to happen, you shouldn’t use the prior probability of it happening in order to determine how likely it is that it really happened. If someone is dead, but it’s unlikely for them to have died, that doesn’t make it unlikely that they are currently dead.
“If such effects are rare, say 1 per 100K people, and there are 10 people in her family, we expect to see 1e-4 events, but observed 2.”
The chances of a child being a boy are fifty-fifty.
So, one child being a boy is 1/2.
Two children being boys is 1/4.
Three children being all boys is 1/8.
All three of my kids are boys. No one, not the math-inclined in our family, or the doctors, nurses of maternity and pediatrics were ever amazed at that result.
Odds evaluate outcomes, they do not dictate them.
Could it be that said family members share a common background which could dictate their susceptibility to certain adverse effects? Like a genetic predisposition to certain auto-immune reactions?
A statistical chance does not account for one’s actual outcomes. You can have a very rare genetic condition. It still remains that the chances of you getting that condition are 1, despite it being rare…
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