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Mick Williams #fundie

“Before you demand that another removes the plank from their own eye, first douse your scalp because your hair is on fire” …An evil person who points out evils which they don’t engage in is not a hypocrite is what I was going to say, but then I remembered that Mick Williams comes from the school of thought where all evils are equivalent if not identical… so.

(Responding to the “all the evils unknown to their side” part, if that’s not obvious.)

And then he goes and claims all lefties are communists. As if.

Lady Checkmate #fundie

G2geek #psycho

@Malingspann: If you’re trying to be inclusive of transfolk here, that’s not how you do it, as a transman’s vagina is still a male genitalia, for example. What you do is say something like “penis-having person” or “vagina-having person”. I’ve also seen things like “bepenised” and “vaginated”, though usually only in a humorous context.

Maggots on a Train v2 #transphobia

@SpukiKitty: Just remember that *all* of Natalie’s personas, current and former, are varying degrees of fiction. The closest one to her real, current self is Josephine, but even that’s not quite her. If you want to see her speaking as herself, here’s a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ix9jxid2YU (This is *not* on the Contrapoints channel). It’s okay to be infatuated with her characters, even if they’re male, or at least not any worse than being infatuated with any other fictional character, so long as you don’t mistake them for whoever plays their role. It’s also okay to be into androgyny, or be a Kinsey 1 who is into Natalie herself even though you’re not generally into women, or whatever reason.

(Disclosure, if it matters: I’m a Kinsey 2 who finds her attractive both pre- and post-transition, but I don’t like a lot of the drag outfits. That doesn’t mean I’d want to date her; the whole minor celebrity thing’s kind of a turn-off, among other things.)

@Everyone on the whole skinny transwomen thing: While it’s true that a lot of transwomen try extra super hard to be conventionally attractive, and losing weight is part of that, there are plenty of heavier transwomen. I know one personally. They just don’t show themselves off nearly as much.

kingturtle #sexist #racist #psycho

These female sex slaves come from poorer countries, are criminals, whores, etc.

Let’s go through this in reverse order:

etc.: What would even be among the etc. after this? Parents selling off their daughters for being LGBTQ+ or “disobedient”? That’s the only thing I can come up with offhand. I can’t imagine that there would be anything less cruel than this.

whores: Redundant in most places currently, as prostitution is illegal. Also pure semantics even where it isn’t, because if you’re kidnapping voluntary sex workers and forcing them into involuntary sex slavery when you’re also doing the same to criminals, then the only difference is lack of trials.

criminals: When oppressed people are in demand for slave labor, there’s also a demand for trumped-up charges. Aside from the fact that quite a lot of attractive women would be locked away for trivialities, or even nothing, you’d basically be creating prisons which are brothels even though brothels are essentially or actually illegal… and also incels mostly don’t like brothels, which kind of defeats the purpose. (I mean, if it being presumably voluntary was the only thing holding them back, then why don’t they seek out child sex traffickers or some other such shit?) So they’d be having lots of sex with… people who are not incels… so… um… hmm. I’d ask if this is this secretly an elaborate “fuck me or I’ll accuse you of a crime” setup, but that’s almost certainly overthinking it and they’re just stupid.

poorer countries: Being born in a country with low GDP is equivalent to committing a crime now?

Lady Checkmate #fundie

@SpukiKitty: The way at least some of them see it, if the world is a very unequal place, then the virtuous will “naturally” rise to the top, and the sinners will sink to the bottom. There’s a lot of self-serving fear and neuroticism going on here, because some have a desperate need to know whether they’re among the “good” ones. This is often in addition to or instead of the “antisocialism”.

Of course, they forget something: camel, eye, needle, and all that.

Seqeu #sexist

This is a distortion of a real phenomenon which occurs in humans and other species, but “hierarchy” probably isn’t involved here, and it’s not specific to women.

To use a highly simplified example, let’s say that there are three men and three women, all hetero, who know each other very well and aren’t much involved with anyone else. None have any standout traits which might make some of them more interesting to certain others, and all would be reasonably happy with any of the others of the opposite sex. This may lead to a situation where everyone wants to date, but no one’s sure who to go for. Regardless, at some point a couple semi-randomly forms out of this group and dates for awhile. It goes well. And then, one of the couple needs to move far away so they break up amicably, or dies, or otherwise becomes permanently available.

What’s likely, but far from guaranteed, to happen within the next few months: The remaining member of the former couple will have the remaining two people of the opposite sex fighting over them. Perhaps out of envy (“I want what they had”) perhaps out of proven reliability (“they were a good relationship partner, I don’t know about the others”) or even out of curiosity (“he/she must have seen something special in them, I want to know what it is”). Regardless of the individual motivation, there’s a subtle instinctive bias going on here - it probably has a name, but I don’t remember what it is. It can result in a pretty unfair situation, but life isn’t always fair in far more ways than that.

RadiantUpstairs #sexist

Good people get taken off the dating market. Bad men linger. Bad women get harassed by bad men and leave. A gross oversimplification, but you don’t need to get into eugenics to explain the online dating market.

Andrew Anglin #racist

If it wasn’t for the bit of racism, I don’t know if this should be tagged “body shaming” or “adipophobia” because neither of those terms actually refer to this particular flavor of bigotry.

I *really* hope this is just Anglin, otherwise we’re going to need a new word for talking about all the forms of Nazi hate.

Mitch McConnell #racist

Look, Turtleman, people only care about two things from you right now: 1. Are Republicans going to condemn Trump and back off the racism? 2. Are you going to stop being an even bigger threat to American democracy than Trump himself? Nobody cares about your whole “virtues of pure capitalism” thing you’re trying to push here.

CuckCuckITChicken #sexist

@J68_Blair: Of course it’s the woman’s fault! If women were pure virgins who constantly fuck incels on demand because incels are virgins since all those women who are constantly fucking them on demand aren’t fucking them at all, causing a paradox where everyone on earth is simultaneously an eternal virgin and has had an infinite number of sexual partners… then… um… what was I talking about again?

Kay Fay, 20years as a trained and experienced catechist and lay minister #fundie

I’d ask why Satan “brings death” when God is doing 99.999% of the smiting and ordering all of the wars and purges, but then again some fundies refer to heaven as a gift of “eternal life” but don’t refer to hell as the same way. Instead they say the “wages of sin are death” and hell is where the sinners go, so… they probably just have a weird concept of “death”.

Kevin McCarthy #racist #wingnut

The increasingly open, increasingly difficult-to-deny racism by Republicans has been going very poorly outside of their base, and the usual tactic - redefine “racism” to mean not them - has never worked well, and still isn’t. Kevin McCarthy seems to be among the few who are experimenting with an outside-of-the-box approach, by framing racist speech as a free-speech issue, and also framing criticism of racist speech as something which only people who hate free speech (such as “Socialists”) would do. On one level I’m curious if this comes from a perversion of Karl Popper’s tolerance paradox, or if it comes from somewhere stupid… on the other hand, I hope that it crashes and burns in an embarassing way before we ever find out.

Liptusg #sexist

TL:DR’d most of it, so focusing on the beginning:

"We have nothing against virgins. Also, only a terrible person could end up a virgin."

Says no one ever, unless they’re being a huge troll. Look, maybe you never figured it out in high school, but some teenage girls are assholes, and some aren’t. They’re not a chaotic hive mind. For that matter, hive minds don’t even *work* as minds when they’re chaotic.

"We don't hate virgins, some of my best beta orbiters friends are virgins! We just hate those pathetic misogynistic incels who are entitled and blame their problems on whamenz! Work on ur shitty personality"

Even on it’s own terms this is not a contradiction, unless you assume that “beta orbiters” are inherently misogynists, or that women/girls *only* like them because they’re virgins. Which is not something I recall any incel even hinting at.

"The reason I can get face-fucked by 10 Chads on Tinder in a rape-play session…”

Let’s stop right there. This is pure incel misery wankfest. Also, Tinder is a *terrible* way to arrange a gangbang.

trilllizard666 #sexist

especially women that say "oh yeah gender roles are fake"

You fail at gender roles vs. gender identity. And possibly gender performance as well. You can be forgiven for your ignorance, but that forgiveness doesn’t come with a passing grade.

“The rules” are mostly no longer being made by people who insist 2+2=1. Get used to it.

Christopher Cantwell #racist #wingnut

Dude! Banned from Gab?! When even other Nazis deplatform you from their safe space, maybe you might want to do a little self-reflection?

Marse Jim #racist

Gary Pearse #wingnut

Funny thing: The real-world “New World Order” concept was created by the Senior president Bush in 1990 - a Republican. Liberals rejected it from the start, conservatives rejected it later when the conspiracy theorists got a hold of it and turned it into something more sinister, and may have contributed to his being a one-termer.

Since then, there have been some liberals who dreamed of a One World Government, though that idea never gained any political traction. And this sometimes gets tarred as a “New World Order”, which in a sense it is. But none of the three (Bush’s Original, the Conspiracy Theory Version, or The Liberal Version) have much of anything to do with each other, despite the occasional insistence that they’re all the same thing.

Dave Gahary, James Fetzer and Mike Palecek #conspiracy

Donald Trump #conspiracy #wingnut

Andrew Anglin #racist #psycho

@JeanP: How does that make sense? Have someone else run a Nazi site and make profits off promoting Nazism?

[Edit] I suppose if there was a separate bank or merchant account used to fund the site, and he’s the sole owner of it, then you could seize the account, but that’s not taking the website itself. I also don’t imagine that would pay more than a trivial portion of the money he owes.

canino1997 #sexist #psycho

Whether this happened or not, a lot of incels are trying to out-edgelord each other. It’s not like they have anything better to do. They’ve sunk so low, or were born so wrong, that anything they would do of their own volition could not meaningfully be called “better”.

Anonymous #psycho

@Passerby: Blind rage and calculated disposal don't quite follow so naturally. Neither does remorse and dismissive justification.

Normally, someone who kills in a blind rage will then go about their day normally after repressing that incident entirely (even sometimes if the corpse is present), or flee the scene, or panic and call for help. That being said, there do exist people whose response is a calm “welp, that was dumb, how do I cover up the crime?” such people might feel regret at their own stupidity, especially if they get caught, but will almost never display remorse - they’re either repressing it or not capable of it.

Of course this person might still be making it up for attention, but sadly, it’s plausible.

Semencollector5000 #quack #crackpot

Semen retentionists think that not ejaculating gives them more energy and a minor boost to IQ, while ejaculation drains them of “vital force” and deprives them of that benefit for days. And when they do eventually have sex for the purpose of procreating, all that stored-up semen will increase the chances of causing pregnancy of in the first few tries, allowing them to regain their vital force sooner. This supposedly gives them an edge over other men in life, allowing greater long-term success than they would otherwise achieve, which is what the “investment” here refers to.

This is not a new idea. It’s been around for a very long time, at least a century, probably longer. It’s also just as stupid as flat earth, homeopathy, or anti-vax, just more obscure than any of those.

Richard Houck #racist

It’s not like those who are relatively privileged, at least enough that trivialities like a time capsule seem like a fun and reasonable thing to do, wouldn’t show only what they considered to be the best of their world. No, they’d go out of their way to show an even split of the good and the bad. The fact that there is no meaningful bad meant their world was perfect, right?

Amos moses #fundie

“…sanctioning a sexual revolution that will culminate in the legalization and whole-hearted support of transgenderism but will also support the legalization of pedophilia.”

I don’t know if this was the intent, but this seems to suggest that “transgenderism” is a sexual orientation. Which, to be fair, if you’re really dumb, it might be “obvious” that this is the reason why there’s a T in LGBT+ and why pedophilia will eventually be accepted, because they’re both non-hetero orientations.

Which, of course, is not how it works. Nor is it true that boogeyfolk like Soros and Clinton, even if they were engaged in some evil plot to make child trafficking legal, could simply brainwash or bribe the LGBT+ community into openly letting pedos in. It’s not like non-Christians are magically vulnerable to every form of “sin”, no matter what they think.

throwaway61244846 #wingnut

Lots of low-paying jobs are harmful. Where medical coverage doesn’t exist, the pay isn’t worth the future medical expenses, and where it does, it’s just externalizing the costs to society as a whole. And almost no one actually enjoys those crap jobs.

So, people should only “harm themselves” if it’s involuntary? Or for someone else’s profit? And it’s not like the vast majority of people who do the more extreme S&M stuff do it every day!

GallaPlacidia69 #kinkshaming

Teledildonics could have been a big thing already (assuming, you know, it ever being a big thing turns out to be a well-founded prediction) if it wasn’t for an overly broad patent (yes, a patent on the entire field of teledildonics) which didn’t expire until late last year. So you were spared the indignity of it even existing in any meaningful form until now thanks to malicious patent trolls, lucky you.

Not any more. Poor baby.

Pukalo_Reincarnate #transphobia

austinmonster #transphobia

Hi! I’m a tetrachromat! That means I can see subtler shades of colors across most of the spectrum than the majority of people, who are trichromats! And yet, this is just as much of a “mistake” as partial color blindness! And no, I can’t tell you how the experience of it is different from seeing “normally”, but I imagine being a trichromat’s kind of dull in comparison, and wouldn’t care to change it just to be “normal”! Seriously, screw differencephobes!

Oh yeah, and most of the major trans studies in North America are being done in San Fransisco or Toronto, and it’s only in the past few decades that they’re being studied as people and not as severely disturbed mental patients, so what would you expect?

Rev. Ronald E. Williams #fundie #sexist

Points to women who are fulfilled at being a stay-at-home parent, declares that they represent all women, ignores that the post-WWII white middle class was a historical anomaly which barely exists anymore, part 133648.

Xavier Naidoo #conspiracy

Napoleon de Geso #sexist #psycho

Hmmm, let’s run key phrases in the header through the Misogynist-to-English translator:

“High-cultured desires” = desires based on imagery too perfect to exist
“Primitive bio-cunt” = not a sexbot
“Low value” = does not act like a combination sexbot/domestic laborer
“High price” = I have to act like a decent person all the time

Xavier Naidoo #conspiracy

genesistorevelation316 #fundie

If you consider the Apocalypse of John to be a metaphor for the struggles of the early church (which some bible scholars believe, but I’m not sure how common that belief is) then the “thousand-year reign of Jesus” already happened. It’s called the dark and middle ages.

Edago #psycho #transphobia

I used to be a fan of communism and i loved Obama, but when i saw how the democrats reacted when Trump won i was both horrified and ashamed of them.

How are we meant to interpret this line?
1. I am a Very Serious Person™ who values the appearance of rationality over political reality.
2. I have no ethical or moral values and support whoever I see as the current underdog.
3. I am the political equivalent of a fundie who lies about having once been a devoted atheist.

shadowPerla & Aperfectlynormalguy #sexist

There are a number of species where the male protects the female, and the female protects the offspring, because this is a tactic which works reasonably well for their particular species to insure that they, as individuals, manage to produce a next generation. The male isn’t committing “sympathetic suicide” here, but getting stuck in a situation where his instincts fail him. Generally speaking, fish aren’t very smart.

fuck_the_world22 #sexist

While not all incels are clinical narcissists, virtually all of them have a narcissist’s idea of love. Basically, it’s that your needs and wants don’t much matter, you must be prepared to give your everything to them despite the cost, otherwise it’s not love, just selfish indulgence. When pointed out that this (not unheard of among non-narcissists, but thoroughly messed-up, impractical, and contradictory all the same) ideal applies to both parties, not just your partner… error, does not compute. That’s when they don’t go for the more sociopathic idea that women are incubation devices attached to malfunctioning sexbots, in which case love doesn’t enter the picture at all.

Jared Taylor #racist

Andrew Anglin #sexist #racist

That’s called “rape by deception”. Consent was obtained under false pretenses. Obtaining anything under false pretenses is generally a form of crime known as “fraud”.

Would you find it acceptable to rename it “sexual fraud”? I suspect you would, because then you would get to dismiss it as a meaningless or victimless crime. Or, I don’t know, use it to bash women for divorce, or something. I mean, people like you do thing like that anyway, but at least this way you’d perceive it as a weapon which exists in abusers’ arsenals and not victims’, right?

Steven R. #fundie

Blaire White is a right-wing, moderately anti-feminist transwoman, which is weird enough - though not unheard of, see Caitlyn Jenner for example - but White still supports Trump, and Jenner eventually realized that, no, he’s actually pretty terrible for trans rights.

Also the extreme wingnut fringe eventually turned on the Bushes for being “too liberal”, so there’s that.

John Ray #wingnut

Nazi is short for “National Socialist”, socialists are left-wing, left-wingers are Nazis. Q.E.D.

(Quod Erat not fucking Demonstrandum, you disingenuous nincompoops.)

It doesn’t help that some of them have a desperate need to believe that their side only does terrible things because they have no choice - because liberals would do “far worse” to them given half a chance. As if “shut up and stop making people different than you miserable” was actually code for “later I’ll kill you and everyone you love” or something.

Some incels #transphobia

I support total body autonomy. Even if being trans was just a “wiring” problem, even if “fixing” it was easy and didn’t turn them into a completely new person or other such extreme side effects, even if most trans people were inclined to choose that option if not socially pressured into it - I still support the right to alter one’s body as one sees fit. I’ve even heard piercing and tattooing referred to as “mutilation”, which… no.

That being said, I recognize a couple of factors which complicate matters - one, dysmorphia is a real thing, and letting such people have free reign with altering their own bodies can potentially make them worse, and two, there probably exist people who have a broad enough “uncanny valley” sense that they might experience chronic disorientation and alienation living in a world where nearly anything goes in regards to personal appearance. Still, that only means that some caution is needed, not that it shouldn’t happen.

Trans people wouldn’t be a big deal in such a world, and it might not even be a very meaningful concept.

Also, is it or is it not a coincidence that the clown emoji 🤡 seems to keep showing up on these transphobic incel posts? [Edit] Okay, it’s not a trans-specific thing, it’s an incels-assuming-other-people’s-reality-is-nonsense thing.

saganist #sexist

Women warn each other about creeps and abusers, and what has worked to protect them against certain predictable individuals in the past. They already know about you. That’s why they all act similarly towards you.

Thot Patrol #sexist

Weird how they assume that women who engage in frequent casual sex will eventually end up alone due to having no social skills whatsoever. My personal experience suggests the opposite.

Sandra Porta #quack

Aside from the part where our modern sewer system ultimately results in the very gradual depletion of farmland soil phosphorus which mostly ends up in the ocean, which is a real problem that can be slowed by returning fecal matter to the land, this not how anything works.

caamib #sexist #psycho

@Bastethotep: I’d love to share the way it gets so-ridiculous-it’s-funny towards the end, but unfortunately the two people I’d like to share it with most would have no idea what “Daesh” refers to, and then I’d probably have to explain the whole ISIS thing, if it wasn’t for the fact that they’d mostly be offended by the “homeopathy works” part. Sigh.

…And of course it’s the person-who-should-not-be-named, as literally one else would ever say things quite like that. Also sigh.

UnchosenZombie #transphobia #conspiracy

@Anon-e-moose: Please do not refer to people as “things”. I mean, I’ll tolerate it in the case of that-person-who-should-not-be-named, as it’s kind of understandable since they’re the closest I’ve seen to someone who can’t human at all… but dehumanization is what evil people or extreme BDSM roleplayers do. Engage in consent practices even where sex isn’t involved, please.

Side note: I’d find it plausible if Alex Jones was looking at trans porn at some point for research purposes so he could “more effectively” bash transpeople later. Unlikely, but plausible. Also, transphobic in a weirder way than usual and really dumb. Most of what we see is purely an act, so who the hell knows what’s really going on in his head.

itsgoingtobealtright #racist #psycho

First they came for the KKK, because they were Kommitting Kopius Krimes.

Then they came for the Neo-Nazis, because they were promoting genocide and engaging in heinous acts of terror.

Then… they did not come for the incels, the MRAs, or any other breed of manospherian, except for individuals who engaged in illegal activities motivated by their ideologies, which most didn’t, because they were too busy acting like whiny assholes.

And then the White Supremacist Wingnuts spoke out, but it didn’t matter, because they still had full free speech rights and political privileges and were in no real danger of losing them, plus there were no other potential targets. So the Wingnuts revolted, because no one was taking them seriously…

What will happen next? Who knows.

Robomont knows #conspiracy #quack

There is a condition commonly known as “EMF Sensitivity”. Whether it is actually caused by slightly-stronger-than-normal electromagnetic fields, by something else which is incidentally often co-occuring, or is purely delusional, is still unknown last I heard. But it has real symptoms and most sufferers blame electromagnetism. Assuming it’s real and as claimed, I’d expect that their nervous system isn’t properly filtering out spurious signal fluctuations, or something similar - there’s a small degree of randomness in the way our nerves fire, and it’s at least theoretically possible that this could make things a bit more random. This could cause some problems if we are inadvertently creating a new class of disabled people.

That being said, the condition attracts quite a lot of kooks, quacks, and conspiracy theorists.