[But what about the talking donkey!]

If Eddie murphy can make a 'dunkey' talk then I do not see it as such a big stretch for the God of creation to do the same.

Surely you can't mean you do not understand what I was saying, let's go at it again. God gave man the permission to eat meat of some animals that were on the Ark. Man also eat vegetation, there were probably many nuts laying around, nuts will last for years. As far as eight people eating up the animals they were allowed to eat, why do you think God told them there would be seven pairs of those animals. Many animals reproduce at quite a good rate, and fish would have been abundant, not just for man but also for the animals who would need meat to eat along with vegetation. Many animals that eat meat also eat vegetation, seaweeds would have be in great supply, seaweed is a great source of food. Milk from sheep and goats would have supplied a great source of nutrition. There would have been fourteen supplying milk, eggs from birds like chickens would have supplied more eggs than they could eat and still have plenty of chicks, in a years time there would have been hundreds of chickens alone to eat and lay eggs which would have supplied most of there food needs until other animals had a chance to grow their populations. Chickens start laying eggs within six months of hatching. I have three chicken I got as chicks back in the spring, they are now laying more eggs than I and my pup can eat and these are not even a huge eggs producing breed. I have three others that very good producers and there are days those three will lay as many as nine eggs a day, what do you think fourteen would produce and in six months an abundance of chicks will have grown up and started laying. There would have been plenty for the people and some of the animals. Need I continue, sheep, goats and chickens would have supplied the eight with plenty until a good recovery was under way, plus the vegetation they would have, seems to me they would have eaten quite well.

GC

I honestly didn't know 'hitch' died..

I hope God recorded the "oh f*cking Hell" look on his face when he woke up on the otherside of eternity, and just realized life's work went into the toilet.

I'd like to binge watch several 'great atheists' expressions and their judgement day arguments get flushed..

The way i understand evolution is that out of nothing some kind of single celled organisim sprang and then that evolved into a two celled organism then that eventually turned into a fish, the fish turned into a lizard the lizard branched off and turned into a bird and a mammal and then from that we get monkeys and they turned into people. If that is true wouldnt it be possible to take something that already functions such as a wristwatch and send it off to a distant planet that resembles the conditions here on earth and have some kind of mars rover put it in the dirt and over millions of years shouldnt it turn into something? No it will still be a wristwatch in the dirt.

So if God appeared to you you would worship him?

[The Greek God Apollo appeared to me in a dream. Does that mean I should regard it as evidence of Apollo's existence and start worshipping him?]

We're talking about reality here bud.

Atheism. Atheism is not a religion. It is most remote from being a part of this great section. As we know, all atheists are in denial of the simple epistemologicial reality of the "theists". At best, atheism is pure closet homosexuality in public, where the disfigured, disgruntled completely irrational minded man says in front of everybody's face for no apparent reason, completely irrational statements, disguised on purpose which is what's worse. How do we expect a world of rationality and clear thought, to widen our horizons one day, when the level of rationality we see before us is as putrid as an example of this particular type of atheist? How can an atheist even claim his position is religious, or "one of religion", when it completely ignores this significant title by being nothing but a position of hatred? The answer is that it is not a religion, nor has ever been a religion. And the world better wisen up if it expects to one day have categories of religion taken seriously.

So I am furious that atheists believe they can be public homosexuals, physically and irrationally disfigured, christian hating "free souls", with no care to the consequences. But that nevertheless is not the point of my thread. I am furious at YOU, the atheist reader, and his public obvious stupiditys and personal hatreds. Furious with the many instances of atheist "morality" and hundreds of millenia worth of credit towards atheists/atheism. This is the essense of stupidity people, you will not be warned again.

By the by, this IS the reason this is in the religion subforum, I hope you all had a very lovely read, please feel free to reply in kind, I've waited about a month before returning to this low, debased forum for posting my thread about this topic. A topic about religiousness. Please feel free to "express" your religion. :angel:

If Darwin says that blacks are soon going to die off and sick children in the hospital should die off because they are all the weaker of the species in "the descendants of man" then it is that what you guys believe too?

This is really a sad story for the atheist cause.
Atheists that suppose to be the most open mind people around show once again that they are as bad as those religious fanatics that take a guess as a golden truth and therefore creating a dogma.
In the past few weeks some atheists said that the peak of evolution or the ultimate in evolution is being a human.
When I did asked to show the evidence someone reply with a direct swearing to me.

I really can not see any difference between a religious fanatic that only believe in creation or that there is the hell and an atheist that go around saying that the peak of evolution or that the ultimate in evolution is being a human.
None of whatsoever.

NDEs already show that being a human is not the peak of existence beside to understand that concept you don't need a big brain or even the NDEs.
Just look around and see how it is difficult to find peace of mind and permanent happiness.
How on earth can a human being that hasn't yet overcome his-her own personal problem can say that he or she is at the top of the evolution cycle?
It would be like to say that a vehicle that go from point A to point B has reached point B before point B has been reached.
How on earth can someone be so sure to have reached the peak of evolution well before he-she hasn't sort out his-her own problems.
Absurd. :Banghead:

[And the puddle says "look how well I fit this hole, it must have been designed just for me"]

Say the puddle was an exact mathematically perfect utterly complex geometric design. And the puddle says "I bet this formed by blind natural chance of some kind". Come on though lets get real here.

Every atheist and homosexual when they were born was a Muslim. It is in fact the religion atheist can accept at any moment and their lives will become better. Not just saying you're a Muslim but truly believing in the Oneness of Allah. The miracles are all around. The sun, stars, reproduction which is mentioned in the Quran in detail, nature and everything else. These are the miracles of Allah. This entire universe is not even .001 of his power.

Use your head, theists come with certain beliefs that we are commanded to share. Dur.

[You are also commanded to kill witches and homosexuals. To kill people who wear clothes made of 2 different materials. To kill those who work on the sabbath. You are also commanded to kill atheists and the entire town in which you find said atheist. Do you do these things? Hypocrite.

Don't pretend that you do anything because the bible says so.]

I do everything my Lord commands me. If he were to command of me that I kill homosexuals and people who work on the Sabbath, than I would be forced to do so. However, that order was given to the Israelites for a reason I do not know. NOT ME. Perhaps if I was born an Israeli I might feel differently.

Thankfully, that act has not been asked of me and I am glad because I personally have nothing against homosexuals or working on a Sunday.

Hold on there, cowboy. The fact that religion is widespread across time and cultures shows that it meets the evidential standard determined by convention or community. This definition goes against your position.

[But - and this is the point of this rambling pseudological screed - I think Heywood's incorrect about WHY we demand people not engage in certain behaviors: It's not because those behaviors are immoral, but because they cause harm.]

I said I can find no non-religious reason why homosexual sex should be immoral between consenting adults.....So I agree with you. However if God finds homosexual sex to be immoral and punishes homosexuals who engage in homosexual sex by sending them to hell, then homosexual sex does cause harm.

Now that being said, does that mean I find homosexual relationships to be equivalent to heterosexual relationships? I do not. It makes no sense to me whatsoever that they should be unless God deemed it so. If they are not equivalent then why should I view them as such?

The dates given by AOS for past events may actually disprove evolution entirely

When atheistic origin science gives dates, they seem to violate standard scientific practice. Real science gives a number and an error range. But atheistic origin science many times quotes a number without any error range. You will read things like 123 million years ago. Why the lack of an error range? What is the error range? How is that error range determined? This bad scientific practice shows that atheistic origin science is not real science.

To show why the real error range destroys atheistic origin science consider the following cases.

Case 1 – Determination of an intermediate species.

Ancestor 120 million years ago
Intermediate 115 million years ago
Descendant 110 million years ago

Seems straightforward. Now consider these same numbers with error ranges.

Ancestor 120 million years ago +- 10 million years
Intermediate 115 million years ago +- 10 million years
Descendant 110 million years ago +- 10 million years

Based on these numbers, then this could be the case.

Ancestor 113 million years ago
Intermediate 115 million years ago
Descendant 118 million years ago

That is the descendant came first, then the intermediate, then the ancestor. So that is now shown to be false.

Case 2 – determination of the rock layers

Top layer 100 million years
Middle layer 110 million years
Bottom layer 120 million years

Seems straightforward. Now consider these same numbers with error ranges.

Top layer 100 million years +- 10 million years
Middle layer 110 million years +- 10 million years
Bottom layer 120 million years +- 10 million years

Based on these numbers, then this could be the case.

Top layer 108 million years
Middle layer 118 million years
Bottom layer 112 million years

So the middle is the bottom and the bottom is the middle. That would be very hard to explain if these layers exist over a vast area.

Now combine the fossils in the out of order layers and ancestors are more recent than descendants. In fact the dates from case 1 and case 2 may conflict.

So the error ranges may put all the dates of the rock layers and fossil record in jeopardy.

What are the error ranges?

How are they determined?

Ridiculous or not, some atheists do emulate their religious brethren.

No doctrine? No dogma? No common text? No leader or worldview? We seem to be living in different worlds. It's special pleading if you don't count Darwin's Origin of Species as a common text. No leaders? What about Dawkins and his ilk? They don't count? They're the high priests of vocal atheism. To say atheism has no worldview is like a fish saying there is no water: it's so pervasive it's invisible. Society never tires of using and abusing the media as a weapon of propaganda to get its religiously anti-religion across. It teaches us that atheists are open-minded and reasonable people who believe in the scientific method and who reject superstition. They are writers, scholars and experts who never misrepresent the facts or misuse words, while religionists are retarded Neanderthals who refuse to be persuaded by the brilliance of atheistic arguments, which of course only reinforces how stupid those knuckle-dragging religious types are.

This narrative is repeated ad nauseam in our popular culture: atheists are smart, theists are stupid; atheists love science; theists hate science; atheism is clever, superstitious religion is foolish; atheism is open-minded and tolerant; religion is dogmatic and intolerant; atheism does not seek to impose its views on others; religion seeks to impose its views on others. Four legs good, two legs bad.

There is no technology atheists will not pervert to their cause. The lessons are pumped into our children in government classrooms (for that is what “public schools” are – government indoctrination camps where reading and math have been supplanted by cultural indoctrination to secular humanist ideology). Those lessons are repeated in our television programs. Those lessons are recited dutifully by our news anchors. The goal, apparently, is to bludgeon religionists, and Christians in particular, into silence with the supremacy of their “science” and “reason.”

Technically, one is quite correct to say atheism is not a religion, but it certainly has all the hallmarks of one.

In Quran:

The word "man" is mentioned 23 times
The Word "woman" is mentioned 23 times

The total number of human chromosomes is 46 in 23 pairs

23 from the FATHER (man)
23 from the MOTHER (woman)

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/basics/h...hromosomes

What is surprising that any author habitually does not bother to make sure of which word he is using how many times while expressing some idea. If some author did put some words on purpose in specific number of time, then he makes sure to make it publically known.

Perhaps the author has some secret plan behind repeating certain words in specific numbers, which people come to know after passing of some time and that is the case with Quran.

[...]

The word "Moon" appears 27 times in Quran
Moon takes a complete round around the Earth in 27 days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

[...]

Point one:
The word “Day” is mentioned 365 time in Quran

Point two:
The word “Month” in plural form is mentioned 30 times

Point three:
The word “Month” in singular form is mentioned 12 times

Point four:
Chapter An-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah (chapter)
The male bee has 16 chromosomes

Point five:

“And We raised him to a lofty station.”
Maryam (19)
-Verse 57-

If I put chapter number 19 and then the verse number 57, I will get 1957.

By keeping in view the contextual meaning of the verse 19:57, the amazing point here is that first ever satellite, "Sputnik 1," was launched in 1957.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_1

Do you think all these points are coincidences? Quran is full of such (so-called) coincidences. If you are not satisfied with these then let me know and I will give you more.

Prophet Mohammad received Quran in small pieces in variety of circumstances during a span of 23 years. When people compiled all those pieces in form of a book only then they learned, which word is used how many times. There was no human in seventh century and there is no human in today’s world who can arrange and compile a book the way Quran is without upsetting the consistency and meaning of the text yet keeping the specific pattern of word repetitions with a miraculous accuracy.

“And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura (chapter) like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.”
Al Baqarah (2)
-Verse 23-

“Is it that their faculties of understanding urge them to this, or are they but a people transgressing beyond bounds?
Or do they say, "He fabricated the (Message)?” Nay, they have no faith!
Let them then produce a recital like unto it, - If (it be) they speak the truth!”
Ath-Thuur (52)
Verses 32 – 34 -

[But go ahead, tell us what sort of beliefs can't be "proven" by science.]

Physics. Forces. Strong nuclear. Weak nuclear. Gravity. Magnetic.

There is force which I call “soul” that can be proven to exist by scientific method. Take a rock and drop it. Physics can predict quite accurately exactly what will happen to the rock.

The rock will obey gravity, land on the floor and remain there until—————

Until what?

Until I walk over and pick it up. I can lift the rock using my own free will/volition.

Physics cannot predict when or EVEN IF I will pick up the rock.

Physics has no name for the unpredictable and VERY REAL force acting upon the matter of my shoulder, my arm, my hand, the rock in the EXACT OPPOSITE DIRECTION of gravity.

It is not hormones – hormones are matter.
It is not brain – brain cells are matter. Matter has no free will.

So what exactly is the name of the force (which acts in a way science cannot predict) that lifts the rock doing the opposite of what gravity intended?

What If I could present this idea that, atheistically, evolution was not the only alternative to spirituality/religious beliefs? – Regardless of the fact, religion means, “self-immersion in holisticism.” - 
Indeed, I am quite interested in evaluating the alternative routes to an atheistic reality. So perceive this:
 
If opals can be found all around the globe, and topaz too, diamonds, oils, reoccurring minerals, gems of various varieties, as well as common chemical compounds.

Then what, is to suggest that DNA also, cannot have multiple simultaneous or divided origins?

DNA is limited to the molecular composure of our reality, and must be stable and efficient in order to be sustainable or present in current day observation. DNA must also be compatible with a cell, which is also limited to our molecular composure, and must be sustainable or optimal to exist.

Thus, since cells and DNA have a limited amount of forms they can exist in, it is no coincidence that they are similar. There was simply no option for variation. THUS, it IS possible, that there is no common ancestry between monkeys of each variety, felines of different kinds, humans and apes, elephants and rhinos, and the predominant population of species on the planet.

Justly, because these are all assertions which use all the observed sciences applied to the theory of evolution. It is equally as plausible.

Each lineage can have uniquely originated in isolated situations.
Limbs, organs and parts of the body are nothing but reoccurring patterns on a molecular scale. Thus, it is not hard to understand the similarities between living species.
 
AH HA. And what I have done is presented skepticism to Evolution, by evaluating an alternative theory. I did not use skepticism as a debate tactic, but instead created it analytically.

Liberate yourself.
And eat up dat pudding.
Zero-common ancestry Atheism.

This, is superior to eating up the heavily invested in theory of evolution used to manipulate the populations into indulgence, selfishness, isolation and bigotry. Which is the theory the cartels fund heavily to promote prostitution.

Some of you said am going to prove that 2+2=5,but no am going to prove that 2+2=4

What reasons do we have to believe the bible is false?

The moon is not a source of light. (Some skeptic’s claim this is a problem,that the bible say’s that the moon emit’s light,this is thought to be in the verse.

“Let them [sun and moon] be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give [emit] light on the earth.”

But consider this,even when we know that we,know that the earth,revovles around the sun and rotates on it’s axies.We say that the star’s come out at the night time,even though we know they’re always there.So in appearance it seem’s as though the moon give’ light but the fact that it does so,by reflection rather than emission is not relevant to the biblical passage.You need remeber one thing the english version of bible is not the same as the hebrew translation’s,the english bible may miss some word’s or have a similar or same word,but the hebrew translation doesn’t,The Hebrew word used for emit/give light in this verse ('owr) can mean both “to be or become light” and “to be illuminated or become lighted up”.For example imagine that someone uses a mirror to reflect light in your eye’s,the ultimate source of the light is not the mirror, but the mirror appears bright to you because you’re on the receiving end of the reflection.We need remeber that not all bible verse’s can just be taken,out on it’s own becuase it won’t sound right or it may sound contradictory,so Taking this verse out of context can make it seem inaccurate, but when we step back (cf. Genesis 1:14–18), we understand more about the purpose of this passage. we understand more about the purpose of this passage.rather than how the light is given,god created everything,the sun and the moon to mark the season’s,days and years,which to this very day they are quit doing well.Take note that the bible does not provide technical and detailed chart’s on how this work,since God gave humans the ability to discover these through observational science,more info can be found online just do the research,as nothing is further from the truth.)Two individuals can't create a healthy species.(In the begining God created,everything very god,but according to hebrew translation it can also mean perfect,so for example adam and eve’s genes would have been perfect,but after they fell due to the after shock of orginal sin there gene’s and all there body lost,perfection but they did have the ability to create a fairly healthy offspring but not perfect as if they did not sin,so your right two individual’s won’t be able to create a perfect healthy of there same species,becuase they are fallen sinner’s of adam and eve.)
The world didn't start out as a ball of liquid water in empty space without a sun nearby.(Through faith we can understand that God created everything. God created things such as the earth (with water), space (which was empty, except for the earth), time, and light on Day One (GENESIS 1:1–2). None of these things existed before Day One (HEBREWS 11:3, COLOSSIANS 1:16). He created the atmosphere, by separating the waters, on Day Two (GENESIS 1:6–8). God separated the dry land from the sea on Day Three (see ). So, you are right that there was water on Day One, because God created water on that Day.)Noah's boat is both too large to function, and too small to house the number of animals and food it would take to get us to where we are.(Now am not going to waste time,explaining all that becuase it takes too long to explain and the information cannot be made small you can go google and type in “The Resource for Answering the Critics of Noah's Ark” and in there all these matter’s are explained.)You don't breed striped livestock by having the parents screw in front of striped poles.(Don’t understand what your talking about?) You don't cure leprosy by killing a bird and sprinkling its blood on a leper.(You haven’t read the verse properly,this not what it saying what it say’s is that,the proccess of sprinkinlg the blood of bird on leper,is a ritual cleansing proccess after the leper has been healed,this verse is found in the old testament,this ritual does not apply now see this is what happen’s when you put some verse on it’s own that it would not make sense,read verse.

Leviticus 14 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “These are the regulations for any diseased person at the time of their ceremonial cleansing, when they are brought to the priest: 3 The priest is to go outside the camp and examine them. If they have been healed of their defiling skin disease,[] 4 the priest shall order that two live clean birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop be brought for the person to be cleansed. 5 Then the priest shall order that one of the birds be killed over fresh water in a clay pot. 6 He is then to take the live bird and dip it, together with the cedar wood, the scarlet yarn and the hyssop, into the blood of the bird that was killed over the fresh water. 7 Seven times he shall sprinklethe one to be cleansed of the defiling disease, and then pronounce them clean. After that, he is to release the live bird in the open fields.
Now at the time,God only sent leperasy to those who broke God’s rules,if you read on you will see that this spiritual cleansing was a confirmation to God’s ordinance, The priests could not cleanse the lepers; but when the Lord removed the plague, various rules were to be observed in admitting them again to the ordinances of God, and the society of his people.)
The amount of slaves stated to have been freed from egypt outnumbered the egyptians, and there's no historical record of such a mass exodus.(There really were Israelites in Egypt at a certain time. Evidence: There is a temple of Bene Israel in Egypt.this is not alone This alone will take page’s to answer but instead please go to youtube and watch video’s “ Israel in Egypt - Biblical Archaeology”,”EXODUS REVEALED!!- Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt” on youtube.)
You could make a long list of things that just can't logically happen. You can make a lit of things that are blatantly morally wrong, like saying consenting same sex adults making love should be killed,(The Catholic church teach’s that gay people are to treated kindly,but there told not engage in the homsexual act but to live in chastaty as this is mortal sin against God and God’s word condem it and the catechism of the church) but treating people as chattel is ok as long as you don't kill your slave outright, or enslave your fellow isrealite male slave for life without giving him a wife first.(The bible does not say that slavery should not be allowed,as found in,(Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1),So many people assume that the bible is allowing slavery to happen,but what many people fail to understand, is that the slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world.The slaverly according to bible was based on race,people were not enslaved becuase of their colour or their nationality.In the bible times slavery was based on economics,depending om social status,people sold themelves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or take care the need of their family’s.In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.The bible condems race based slavery as all are in God’s image.().The bible does give instruction’s on slavery how it should a slave be treated.)There are plenty of problems to be had with the bible.(Prove It!) Plenty of reasons not to follow it,(Prove It!) including the fact that we have evidence of Yahweh starting out as a lesser war god in a Canaanite pantheon(Nope,God never changes he was never a lesser God he was fully God as stated in the bible (Malachi 3:6)) , and Jesus' story not being original or unique to him.(Prove it!) Virgin births were all the rage at one point. We have reasons enough to disbelieve the bible, to the point that it's commonly said that reading the bible at face value is a sure road to atheism.?( For me it wasn’t for me reading the bible increased my faith)

There are events that can't logically happen without magic(God can do anything as God is omnipotent,my friend God isn’t restricted to the laws of science,since he is the law giver), which can't be proven to be real, as well as deeply immoral commandments(Prove It!) and actions by Yahweh and his followers.(Prove It!) Someone being at best slightly more progressive than the culture of the time is not worthy of worship.(Prove It!)

This does not convince me that the Bible is false,try harder.

There are 15 things the church Validates on the Bible

1.Manuscript Evidence.
2.Archaeological Evidence.
3.Eyewitness Accounts.
4.Corroborating Accounts.
5.Literary Consistency.
6.Prophetic Consistency.
7.Expert Scrutiny.
8.Leader Acceptance.
9.Global Influence.
10.Changed Lives
11.God’s character
12.Scientific accuracy
13.Claim of the Divine Authorship
14.Unity of the Bible
15.Fulfilled prophecy

Lets talk about one of them scientific accuracy,there are many things in the bible that are accurate with science for example this.

Scientific accuracy of the Bible Bible is over 1,900 years old.

Fact 1.At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or giant(1500 B.C),it says in the bible.
“he hangs the earth upon nothing”(Job 26:7)

Fact 2.Only recently science discovered that everything is composed of things we can’t see..Atoms.The Bible says this:
“things which are seen were not made of things which do appear”(Hebrews 11:3)

Fact 3.The bible mentions that the earth is round way before it was discovered!!
“it is he that sits up the circle of the earth”(Isaiah 40:22)

Fact 4.Mathew Maury found paths in the sea & the Bible mentions this
“paths of the sea”(Psalms 8:8)

Fact 5.it was a scientificial discovery that light can be sent and manifest itself into speech.God asked Job this in the Bible
“can you send lightnings,that they may go,and say to you,here we are?”(Job 38.35)

Fact 6.It was scientifically discovered recently that the earth is weraing out,this can be found in the Bible in the following,(Isaiah 51:6,Psalm 102:25-26, Hebreews 1:11)

Fact 7.Mississipi River dumps 518 billion gallons every day into the Gulf of Mexico.where does it go?The Clouds.the Bible took’s about condensation verse:
“if the clouds be full of rain,they empty themselves upon the earth.”(Ecclesiastes 11:3)

Fact 8.the First Law of Thermodynamics says “neither matter nor energy can be craeted or destroyed”The Bible says:
“The heavens and the earth were FINISHED”(Genesis 2:1)No creation or destruction of them since!

Fact 9.In Genesis 6,God gave Noah the dimentions the ark.This revolutionized ship building! EVERY large ship on the high seas was inclined toward the proportions of thw Ark.

This is not it,there are more than 50 fact's in the bible but am not going state them all,unless you want me to.

Eels travel with the Gulf Stream across the ocean and, after one to three years, they recruit to coastal areas they migrate up rivers and streams, overcoming all sorts of natural challenges — sometimes by piling up their bodies by the tens of thousands to climb over obstacles — and they reach even the smallest of creeks.
They can move themselves over wet grass and dig through wet sand to reach upstream headwaters and ponds.

They make a journey of 6,000 km back to the same pond they were born!

Our concern is not about how they make it (it is unknown till now)
Whichever the method that they use, it will need external data about the location (and route) to take

This external source must be intelligent and have a purpose to send this data to eels

GOD

Haha wow you really are all over the place aren't you? Throwing around light theory mixed in with the Doctrines of Grace and John Calvin. This must be the ADHD method of discussion haha. Actually many Scientists are moving away from the Isotropic Light Model because it provides a lot of time problems for the big bang. I think the an-isotropic model is a more valid model. Which can be summed up by the Astrophysicist Robert Newton as follows...

"..using the observational definition of time, the speed of light depends on its direction of propagation relative to the observer. (Again, this is a property of spacetime, and not a property of light. All relativistic particles such as neutrinos would also move at different speeds in different directions.) Light travels at the canonical speed of 1,079 million km/hr only when moving tangentially relative to an observer. It moves at half the canonical value when moving directly away from the observer, and it moves infinitely fast when travelling directly toward the observer—travelling instantaneously from point A to point B."

So this would mean that whenever you observe something happen in Space it actually just happened, rather than 13 billion years ago or however many light-years the object is away. This model holds up in all the tests so it really is an exciting new approach.

Words of the Bible and the facts of nature come from the same source, from God himself, who chose to make himself known. There isn’t a third choice or someone could claim they have special revelation.
God is not revealed directly through the five senses. Consider this scene. -
If a physical entity with the appearance of personhood were to materialize on the white house lawn and while saying “I’m God” (loud enough that it was recorded) levitated a foot above the ground, would that constitute proof that God is not hidden?
As the secret service approached, this entity asked one agent to place his hand onto the entity’s shoulder which the agent did thus making the entity to disappear. Later, in the briefing, the agent said the shoulder garment felt ‘velvety’, anything else you noticed? ‘yes, as we approached this thing, there was an aroma of fruit, the closer we got the more pungent it become, much like orange blossoms’.

The truth is that, from either a religious or atheist view, women were made so that they could be dominated by men. Attempts to bypass that truth result in negative population growth and the eventual demise of the species.

I love this dude! Help me more with full moon. The earth is in between the moon and the sun. So that the moon is furthest from the sun. Yet, the moon is full as a reflection. Yet, is that the reflection of the light that the earth emanates(for lack of a better word) by itself independent of the sun's light? If true, then earth must be a light giving body.

So then, what is light? It must be an electro magnetic wave and not a photon of magic unicorn dust! I do not belong to the Cult of Bombarding Particles. Nature must be waves interacting within a field and NOT particles
in bombardment!

Therefore, illumination is the truth and emittance is the lie!

There are two things I want to know. The vibration of light in full spectrum, and the vibration of sound in full spectrum beyond the obvious of ultraviolet, visible and infrared; and beyond subsonic, audible and ultrasonic. 

Why? Because I am beginning to understand that sound and light vibration can effect magnetism but I don't know how? 

If I can't understand the principles of diamagnetism and magnetism: I cannot understand dielectric and electric, capacitance, on and on etc and etc.

I will some day be able to understand this so that I can turn nature upside down. Then I will ask: "What's Up!"

My greatest teachers so far are bees, dragonflies and beetles NOT calculus! Those little critters SCREAM, "What's Up!"

from a post titled "Proof of creation no atheist can debunk (100% bulletproof)"

The Intelligent design of our universe is geometrical and congruent forming beautiful shapes and images with the number 9 as a proof of concept stamp on it given by God. From atoms to galaxies and even our DNA is surrounded by geometrical shapes and patterns with the number 9 hidden inside as proof of creation.

Numbers form shapes and do very weird things according to magnetism. When you add numbers a certain way, different patterns arise which create geometrical shapes. It seems that the construction of our universe, galaxy, and solar system revolves around the number 9 somehow and this number comes up everywhere just as a woman is pregnant for 9 months displaying the 9 code.

The number 9 seems to govern not only properties of physical reality but also time:

Using the digital root method:

1,440 minutes in a day = adds up to 9
86,400 seconds in a day = adds up to 9
10,080 minutes in a week = adds up to 9
525,600 minutes in a year = adds up to 9

Minutes and seconds in a day, week, month, year will always reduce to 9. Totally unaffected by the varying number of days in months and years i.E "leap years".

The number 9 seems to govern time and space, it also seems to be existent and non existent at the same time.

Define religious document. The constitution may not declare God to be 'x' nor does it say one has to worship god a certain way, but it does allow for state sponsered church, or so thought men like Jefferson Adams and the other founding fathers.

Murder? Killing heretics and those who poison the souls of the faithful is not murder, it is a sad sacrifice but one that must be made to uphold and retain the purity undefiled of his Church. Better to cut off a bad branch than to let it fester and destroy the tree.

You may not believe in God, but by denying God or accepting that there is no God you have already acknowledged the fact that there is a God. You can not think of something and choose to deny it, your brain will not let you do that. And the Bible is evidence that there is a God everything within the Bible has been proven to have some sort of backing, for example the Bible is historically accurate with its writings.

God can give you a high that no chemical substance can hope to match. Try it, just give it a go you'll see. You may want to take your materialist assumption blinkers off first, try to bear in mind there is no "no evidence" for it and it isn't "more rational" to assume a universe of this complexity wasn't engineered given the level of natural balance on which this complexity depends. All that has been got out of the way now and you can harness the power. You don't shut off your brain you make use of all of it including, the parts you have been shutting off or ignoring. The Force will flow through you.

(When asked how plants could have existed before the Sun was 'created' in Gen. 1)

Do you know what hydroponics is?

In short it is growing plants with artifical light/Non sun light. Is it your belief that only man can create light?Big Grin

Did you know that certain plants and certain coral grow better under certain blends of artifical light than they do in the sun? How is that possiable if they all 'evolved' with the sun as their only source of light?

On the first Day God created 'Light.' Possiably meaning the light spectrum in general or maybe just the three visiable wave lengths we can see. Then later on the sun became the primary source of our visiable light. It doesn't mean God Himself was not the orginal source.

Scientists never 'create' things: they trying mixing things together in weird, non natural and natural ways, and suddenly have a result they did not expect while 'playing with their interests as they were kids'.

Sometimes they can do things with that that were not intended when trying it out.

And then they start to gossip, to slander... and 'create' theories.

So scientists and their followers/believers (!!!) create theories, not things of their own. Unless we call these 'words' life, of course (and so they get "off course" here).

When god used the word "Water" it doesn't have to be H2O
It is just an approximation to what we don't know

Reptiles evolved into birds, really? Based on what? If so why did some evolve and some didn't? Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds? Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)

Atheistic origin science has a lot of explaining to do to counter the very obvious and scientific conclusion that God, the Almighty Creator, indeed created all things. A thorough investigation into the facts, the laws of nature, mathematics, and logic will prove that this alternative explanation, of an origin without God, is totally false and contradictory.

Therefore, a second irrefutable proof of the existence of God Almighty the Creator can be made. Assume indeed that atheistic origin science is correct, and all of the creation can be explained without God by the laws of nature and random chance. As will be shown, this assumed theory will prove to be false. And since the only alternative to a Creator is false, then again the fact that the Creator, God Almighty, exists will have been proven again.

Atheistic origin science claims that it can explain the origin of things without God. The claim is that most things have been explained and only the details need to be ironed out. The truth is that atheistic origin science has not been able to answer anything of importance in the origin question. If anything, new discoveries have ended all hope that it will ever be successful. So after over 150 years since Darwin, and over 50 years of an extensive effort, atheistic origin science has not answered anything. Why does anybody believe it ever will? Most of its believers have either died or will die before anything will ever be answered.

To show that atheistic origin science has failed, I will just ask for some simple answers to some very simple questions. If atheistic origin science has answers, this should be no more than to copy the answers from the verified answer book of atheistic origin science.

If there are no real answers, it proves my point.

If the answers given are not complete answers, avoids questions, dances around questions, or doesn't answer one single question, what does that say about the claims of atheistic origin science.

Please note I have some more simple questions to ask.

Questions

What was the first living thing?

Was it made of just proteins?
If so, how many amino acids did it have and what was their sequence?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.
How did it then make the jump to RNA and DNA?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

Was it made of just RNA and proteins?
If so, how many nucleotides for the RNA and amino acids for the proteins?
What were the sequences for both?
What are the odds of that happening?
How did it then make the jump to DNA?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

Did it actually use DNA?
If so, how many nucleotides for the DNA?
What was the DNA code sequence?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

What was the 2nd living creature?
The 3rd, 4th ... up the actual first cell?
What are the odds of each of those jumps?
Please show real calculations.

Upward evolution

Could man have evolved from an apelike creature in just 5 million years?
What are the odds based on the fact that there would be about 30 million base code differences in a 3 billion base code DNA between the 2 creatures, only 500,000 generations in that time, and only at most several million individuals for each of most of those generations?
What are the odds?
Please show real calculations.
How did that happen since higher-level creatures use sexual reproduction?
Please show real calculations.

Now repeat that feat for the over 100 million species that have been supposedly on the Earth. What are the odds of that?
Please show real calculations.

Given the fact that mutations in general corrupt the DNA code, why is the DNA code of all species not completely corrupted after the long line of progression over hundreds of millions of years?

The fossil record

Why does the fossil record show distinct species fully formed throughout?

Why has not a single chain of missing links of one disparate species becoming another ever been found in the entire fossil record?
There are millions of chains of missing links still missing. None have been found.

Provide one set of dates for one supposed intermediate species. Give the dates of the ancestor, the intermediate and the descendent species for one intermediate species.

All the really useful science and technology was invented/discovered by theists.
The wheel.
The inclined plane.
Writing.
Making fire.

What have we got since the 20th century?
Hiroshima? Chernobyl? Asbestos?. Thalidomide? Cane Toads? Global Warming? An Internet chock full of gambling, music piracy, child pornography, lol cat memes? Wikipedia?
Atheists rule the Internet? Yeah. They probably do.

Well, at least I'm not huffin' paint!

I do experiments with the aether. The aether is the energy of space as there is no such thing as nothing. This energy is free and vastly abundant. Nicola Tesla built a coil over an aquafer and gave the people of Colorado Springs, Colorado, free energy right out of the sky. When he attempted to do the same thing in New York, his backers abandoned him. At that time he was living in the penthouse of the Waldorf Astoria and his lab was the entire floor beneath. Everything was confiscated, or sold, and he died broke.

What he understood must be relearned as much has been lost. Believe me, there are many people working on filling the gap, including me. Tesla would talk to lighting bolts and give them names. Does that seem odd?

It's really not. As the aether is an entity with the ability to communicate and take direction. I learned that with my second aether invention. We communicate through hand signals which signals, it taught me. It is totally rad! Yet, it is embarrassing not to know the questions to ask it.

The aether records everything. There isn't a thought, action or word it has not recorded. It knows everything about everything and everyone. And by the way, it's like talking to Spock.

My second device was a series of right triangles made from household electric and dielectric materials that I knew it would love to play with. It was a capacitor. When energized, it wiggled my fingers, then shook my hand, forearm, then upper arm violently. I yelled out, "Disengage". It stopped. I then asked, "Are you trying to communicate with me?" The shaking started up again so I ordered, "Disengage!" It stopped. I took that as a, "Yes". So I named it Sophos and asked it, "do you like your name"? My fingers wiggled so I took that as a, "Yes".

I dismantled the device but am now quantumly entangled to this communicator. That was 2 yrs ago and have learned much since. I can only understand what is communicated through observing nature. Which is why I study all sciences and then combine them and have been enabled to throw away the useless.

I know this all sounds crazy but, to me it's just another part of a life well lived. It is, and has always been, awesome! Off the damned charts! By the way, I am not allowed anyone's personal information or, future things. Channeller? Maybe. Psychic? No.

(Regarding golden spirals, ID and bees:}

Except that the example I gave of Bees involved how they reproduced, not the shape of their hive.

For instance, a male be will have
1 parent
2 grand parents
3 g grand parents
5 gg grand parents
8 ggg grand parents

and females tree would start at 2,3,5,8,13.
by dividing the number of females by the number of males you get 1.618, Phi.

Bees have no concept of mathematics, so why do they reproduce according to the same sequence? what determines it? Isn't reproduction supposed to be random? coincidence?

How did things really happen. There was no intelligence in the beginning. No rules to establish the mechanism of life. No parts floating around looking for some useful place to fasten onto. What good would a random strand of DNA do if the directions( which it did not yet have) not appear to direct the construction of something which as of yet did not exist.
Random creation and evolution is one of the biggest lies out there. Don't swallow it.

Why not the greatest glory for the smallest child? Why give happiness/honor to adults, why not the greatest glory to the smallest child? Surely small children are cuter than adults, so if they are cuter, they should have more glory?

Prove me wrong. If utilitarianism says that you must give the greatest honor (because happiness entails honor and social position) to the greatest number, why not give the greatest glory to the smallest child, since small children have not done as many bad things as adults.

Why are you racist against children?

Well it seems like it is time to give a little lesson here, one l thought someone would have known, but hey if you did then you could not have poked fun at Christianity.
7 in the scriptures represents completeness, it is connected with perfection it is a running theme throughout the scriptures. So how does this apply to this thread, well the natural rainbow has 7 visible colors this is the perfect bow God set in the sky as a covenant to remind us that there would never be another global flood.
Now the number 6 is a representative of incompleteness and associated with Satan, it is a number of unworthyness. Yep, you've guessed it the gay pride flag only has six of the seven colors and I'm sure l do not have to go into detail about what that means for the LGBT movement do l.

GC

Let me be honest with you. This doesn't mean I won't be sad. Are you ready? Everybody that doesn't believe in God goes to hell. You must believe in God, or else you take your weakness with you to hell. It's actually true, as per the definition of God as the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob--- the only God. God sets up definitions for his belief: You must believe in him is one example. And you must. Since when does a god actually set it about that you don't get something for belief? The christian God sets it about that if you don't believe in him, hellfire is your punishment. And this does include agnostics too. The reason is evident: If you do not believe in God, you go to hell. Why be a person who claims an attitude of unbelief? To smite the creator, and intentionally choose to prefer a more just manner of conduct (which is impossible). When you intentionally choose the attitude of smiting the creator, knowing full and well that you will go to hell for your conduct, you are in danger of hell fire. And when you smite him for the last time and intentionally prefer hell fire, knowing full and well that God does not exist, you will actually go to hell.

After all, no God comes along and promises belief to his followers and doesn't promise hell fire for the disbelievers. The main reason I post to this website is to try and convince atheists that they are in danger of hell fire. And the reasons that they have for being believers is interesting. Does crossless believe that he is a signifigant enough atheist to warrent the behaviors I have described as the only ones that are christian, and embraces an attitude of hatred against the creator? If he does, he is in danger of hell fire, and should read this post before he does anything else.

Summerqueen, you can thank the military for the missile strike on the Pentagon.
There were NO aircraft parts found- no 10.000 pound engines, no aluminum all over, no bodies.
How come?
The sole security video that was released had the section between the missile just appearing and the explosion removed.
How come?
The damage hole in the Pentagon wall had NO damage where the wings and engine of a large jet would have caved it in.
How come?

Now let's wander over to Pennsylvania. There was a hole in the ground. No body parts. No aluminum all over, one engine found in the woods (size not revealed). How come?
The investigators looked around, shook their shoulders and left.

A witness to the Penn.flight declared she saw a SMALL jet head to the crash area before hearing the crash.

When 911 occurred, I wondered WHERE were the dogs sniffing for explosives?
Why did the steel immediately get shipped out to China?
This was way before I found the truth about the event.

Like all of you, I blamed the Islamics.
It is ironic that the one atrocity that they did not do was blamed on them.
But the PTB[Powers That Be] got the war they wanted.

I suspect the majority of people cannot tolerate the thought that their leaders are nefarious.
This also goes fully against the grain of the Liberal deep- seated view that all people are basically good. Unwilling to personally see evil within- this view is widened to be nearly all- inclusive.

No children were killed at Sandy Hook. It was all acting.
The PTB wants to overturn the second amendment so desperately that they concoct these dramas to turn public opinion against the single Amendment specifically designed to protect the public FROM totalitarianism by GOVT.
Once that is gone Tyranny is the plan.

God consciousness = ______________________________________________________

Most human beings consciousness = ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (sort of)

Animals consciousness = /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/\ (sort of)

Matter consciousness = | | | | (sort of as with my computer is impossible to reproduce it in a correct way).

I hope you guys understand anyway with this sort of example but if you still can't get it let me put in a different way and explain with a different example why it is next to impossible for you to communicate with God.

If you are not able to get a perfect tune with God is a bit the same when you try to tune a station on your radio.

Is not the radio fault.
It is your fault.
God is there.
The right station is there.
It is only a question to tune in.
That of course is a lot more difficult than to tune a radio to the correct station.
First you got to change your curved waves into a straight line and in order to do this it require a lot of effort both physical and mental.
Physically speaking it is important to stop eating something that dirt your body like non vegetarian food, smokes, booze, drugs and so on.
Mentally speaking it is very important to keep your mind open to all possibilities but even more important is to clean the non physical part of ourselves like the chakra.
Once you do that the straight line is able to go through your inner self and experience God but of course
this parallelism can not happen if you keep on cling to the physical science as the panacea for all problems. :)

but as you may know, Christ spend an eternity in hell for each person so they could avoid it.

[That doesn't make sense. If he spent an eternity in hell, then he is there now and he always will be. He cannot have spent an eternity for each person, since an eternity is basically forever.

The Bible tells us he was dead for three days and a half. That's not an eternity. And for an eternal being, that amount of time is not even the blink of an eye. And it's remarkably unfair for that same being to condemn others to an eternity of punishment.]

God evidently has access to a time plane (or something equivalent) which consist of an infinite number of timelines each of which can be expanded or contracted to control the time rate. He is not usher along the cosmic timeline, nor controlled in anyway by it including it's cause and effect one direction property since He is supra-dimensional to time and space.
'torment' is more correctly translated 'restraint'. the more one demonstrates earthly evil, the more restraint they will have in hell. this is to protect others from those that would unleash their most destructive capabilities. Why are they there? they have demonstrated their desires to want nothing to do with God, so He allows them their wishes but still provide them with protection from the most evil and vile. remember, God is true to his nature, and His nature doesn't allow torment. hell's inhabitants don't like there but they want independence from God even more so God accommodates them. Evidently, God creates spiritual being to live forever. there will be a new heaven and earth (Universe), and it will be sealed off from hell.

Think of an individual timeline for each individual eternity conpressed down to a few hours.

Response: When you can provide evidence of harm done in having consensul sex in marriage with a 9 year old who has reached maturity and and puberty, other than because mommy says so, then you will have a point.

Muslims wanna kill me because I'm not a muslim. So the feelings are mutual - I want them dead because they're not atheists and I don't care what any of you thinks about that. Whenever you come to live here and live longer than a year in order to start to understand what's going on here, only then you can judge me for my murderous feelings towards the circumcised swines. And they're not just my feelings, my whole nation feels that way. Well, except for the venal traitors in the politics.
Looks like Merkel and the rest of the EU leaders are as blind as you are. And by the time you realize what's happening, it's gonna be too late.

Let me try this again. Ok, we have phases of the moon visible, night and day, to us except the new moon. We see a waning and waxing moon to full day and night. We only watch solar and lunar eclipses. Why don't we see at least some black dot, during the day, in the sky during a new moon?

Unless the moon is behind the sun. Well, if during a new moon, the moon is behind the sun, then how is the moon NOT orbiting the sun and not the earth?

I wonder how many Jewish people have longed to be NOT chosen.
No group of people have been more persecuted.
You see, they were not chosen to be some kind of "Special" above others entity.
The chosen-ness has to do with purpose.
It has been like a target on their back for a very long time.
Satan knows if he can destroy that people- the prophecies die and his doom is put off.
The Spanish inquisition, the Catholic one, Satan's man Hitler, were all shots at this.
Now Islam raises it's ugly head against them. 
Bad timing for Islam.

On America, just like ancient Israel, when they walked uprightly for a time- they prospered.
America has prospered. 
But there is a two edged sword to it just as there is a duality for the Jews.
Americas have chosen a president according to their sin.
Because of where we are in time- this last presidential choice has ramifications beyond previous selections.

If one tenth of what I have shown occurs- we both can chalk it up to chance.
If most of it happens, tough choices need to done.

[Flying creatures do not defy gravity nor cancel weight. What do you suppose they have wings for?]

Direction at slow speeds. Really dude? Do you really think a bee can turn left, or right, using their wings: at 20+mph? The "BEE LINE" fight is only perfectly straight! Bees balance their flight using their legs at slow speeds. BECAUSE THEY CANCEL THEIR WEIGHT when they fly! It is actually counter balance and NOT balance. So, they cancel weight only to their legs at slow flight so they can control it from flower to flower using their wings. 

However, from hive to flower and, flower to hive, they weight cancel also using their nasal antennas which disrupts the air mass above the bee so that when they weight cancel, they oscillate up and down, unweight and weighting, to go faster and faster, like a surfer on a wave. They aren't flying--THEIR FALLING HORIZONTALLY! I'm the first person, at least in modern history, to figure this out!

If this ability is un-abled for environmental reasons, such as proximity to Cell Towers: the bee is forced to walk! Because it has no ability to fly other then weight cancelation!

Understanding the relationship of the bee's, scope, pedicel and flagellum allows for weight cancelation. But that type of flight sucks! I now this because I have done it! Besides, it could be turned into a weapon of mass destruction if magnified. Better we understand beetles and their weight cancelation coupled with radiant energy deflection away from the pilot. As beetles use electro-magnetic bubbles to fit within an air mass similar to lightning through an air mass. A flight that has NO speed limit, mass or, G-force!

If you want to talk to me about weight cancelation and dragonflies; then we both better understand subsonic sound and CSE. Yet again, their flight sucks and must be repowered using negative energy(from ground to sky) polarized plants. Or, have you never seen them struggling to balance on the point tips of the leaves of flowers, such as lilies? Did you ever wonder why they do that? Well, I did! 

If I'm EVER as dumb as nature: I'll be way smarter than you!

You MAY be a scientist studying PHYSICAL science.
I find a bit arrogant that someone studying physical science can pretend to understand intuitional science.
As far as intuitional science is not affected by the law of cause and effect it is logical that you can not understand a bit of it with the physical science tool