in short that [Hebrews 11:3] is Gods Word agreeing with the first law of thermodynamics. the curse God placed on creation is of course the implimation of the 2nd law.

She might have seen an angel, she might have not. I wasn't there so I don't know. But I do know that there are dozens of references of people interacting with angels in the Bible. There's your proof of the existence of angels.

As I have said before, I read all I could on Evolution when I was younger (don't want to brag, but I feel that I actually know more about evolution than most atheists do), and compared it to the message in the Bible, well, for me, the Bible makes more sense. Really, if you looked at the cell, the most basic fundemental part of the body, and you say that it was created by chance, well, you are a moron.

HeLLo?!? Your saying the Bible is wrong? Adam was made from nothing. And Eve did form out of Adam's rib while he was sleeping. (God did it) A Fairy Tale. Heck no. Basically, your saying there that we are a fairy tale then.

One thing I've noticed is how pareidolia [<a href="http://skepdic.com/pareidol.html" target="_top">see here</a>] has been used to deny the existence of certain 'miracles'- seeing Jesus in a bandaid, or finding Allah's name in a tomato. While they might be just illusions, they might also be true.

and about you complaining about me calling religions false, don't you agree they're false? you're the one who hates religion.

This country would be a much better place had the south won the Civil War. Slavery would have ended anyhow, as machines were invented to replaced them. It helps if you think of slaves as part of the infrastructure rather than people. In reality, it should be the 'slave descendants' paying tribute to the US Government for granting them freedom. They have some nerve asking US to pay THEM!

As for Occam's Razor, it 'proves' creation, being the simpler explanation. Huh? God created the world. Four words. Life evolved from carbon by pure chance. Seven words.

The simple solution to that eventuality is to produce a "homosexuality vaccination" and require it for children before they can go to school, just like measles, polio etc.

If I were dictator people would have to marry someone within 1 tax bracket of themselves of the same race, for reasons I've already stated: 1. Interclass marriages usually lead to the poor exploiting the rich. 2. Interracial marriages aren't looking out for the kids. Since swirls are not socially accepted by EITHER of the two races to which they belong. But my opinion for real-world America is that the 'progression' (read: deterioration) of marriage has to be stopped at some point.

1. I am a Christian.2. Homosexuality is in conflict with my Christian beliefs.3. Homosexual adoption and marriage only spread homosexuality.Why would I want to spread homosexuality? And stop spewing this BS about religious ideas having no place in our laws. Where do you think American morals came from in the first place? Christian beliefs. There is no disputing the facts.

... science is a poor substitue because it is largely based on the logic of man which is flawed... science which uses Gods logic as oppose to mans is a good science, (which acknowledges that everything in the bible is true)

Basically, the liberals are the ones who are also atheists... and have no respect for any religion.

OK, so the Earth is round. So what? Does that void the rest of the book... BTW, those references about the flat earth could have been added [to the Bible] during the Middle Ages by superstitious Europeans.

if we are to use Gods logic for things....might as well use His definition of things as well... hard hearted is one of Gods terms that describes rebellious refusal of Truth. number 1 i think God has more credibility then a dictionary, number2 these things must be taken in context.

There must be something wrong with homosexuals, most likely a genetic flaw. I see it as a disease, and until we learn more about what causes it, how to cure it, and whether or not it's "contagious" we should hold off on allowing those people to parent a child.

I never did understand the whole falsifiable thing. Why take stock in an idea that might be wrong?

people should have no right to be gay... and if you dont like our govt, get the hell out who is forcing you to stay here... if outlawing premartial sex is going to cure a disease that is or well was on the verge of becomming a plague then im all for it

Reason--Think it through, apply Pascal's Wager

Still refuse to believe that the Bible is true? I pity you, and regret that your ticket to hell is non-refundable except at the Customer Service Desk of the Bible. I don't see how you refuse to believe that the service desk is right behind you, and refuse to turn around to look and see if it's true.

Kenji, are you gay? You really need to shut up. There's no way on earth any intelligent person would tell their kid it's ok to be homosexual. There's a book "A parent's guide to preventing homosexuality." Now I'm sure it's a bullshit book, because homosexuality is genetic, but nonetheless, the civilized world understands that being homosexual is not natural. And I don't feel like celebrating my differences. I'm white and Christian, and I like it. If you're black and atheist and gay, fine with me. I'll still hire you if you're qualified, but I'm not going to celebrate with you.

Yes. There is no place for soddomy. This country is founded on Christian values, and our code of law is based on Christian law, and it should be upheld in every way.

mans logic is flawed because when used does not always produce accurent results or truth, you cannont always reason things correctly. example: we say the butler killed mrs smith... but actually she died of natural causes... you see we can reason and detuct and think all we want. but that wont always produce the truth. this is probably the best reason as to why its flawed. it doesnt help the fact that we cannont tell truth from lie in and of ourselves.

gay marriage is an abomination. I wonder how many of you criticizing the vatican actually even go to church. Liberals are so closed minded...

With the way some atheists act alot of the time, I'm surprised they don't go out killing believers with any excuse they can. No, wait. They did! In Russia! And, of course using the atheist way of looking at things that logically implicates atheists everywhere as mass murderers! Yay!

The [gay parenting] study itself loses credibility as soon as u say it is attributed to only a small portion of the gay community affected by this study. That's the fuck Im talking about. As long as there is no study large enough to encompass, and thus represent the the homosexual people as a whole, any argument pertaining to homosexual parents having no effect on children is unnacceptable.

It is correct to say that there are living cells in an arm, but not correct to say that the arm is alive - there is a BIG difference. And an arm is much different than a fetus. For one, a fetus is alive and an arm isn't... You can kill a living fetus because it lives; you cannot kill an arm, because arm's aren't alive.

A celibate homosexual (if such a thing exists, homosexuals have sex on the brain 24/7) is unnatural. It isn't the action that determines whether you're normal, it's the desire.

It clearly defies the type of behavior that humans were intended to follow. What good has come from homosexuality? They can't reproduce, they spread AIDS, etc. Homosexuality is a choice, not something that people are born with. And in this world, it's wrong to discriminate against traits that one is born with, but when you make a choice you can be held responsible for it, so don't gimme any of this Civil Rights stuff.

I don't know what the hell is wrong with some with you. Being an Atheist is NOT something to be proud of!

Actually, the cosmic background radiation was what I had in mind when I meant that the big bang could be used for proof of creation. And God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light. -Genesis... Now, if God did indeed create light, at the furthest reaches of the universe, we should expect to see light. And what do we find? Electromagnetic radiation, of which light is a part of. Also, solar light is composed of other electromagnetic spectrum, such as ultraviolet, infrared, etc.

I agree with that completely. There's nothing wrong with being a homosexual, but just like Downs Syndrome, homosexuality should be cured.

OMG.. You people really don't know much about religion these days. God made the universe. The mixing of chemicals? What the heck are you talking about? You actually think chemicals made us and the world, the universe, the creatures, all the order and design that God has made?! READ GENESIS FROM THE BIBLE! WoW.. Wasnt that hard!

Omg this thread is so gay. I'm glad I never come to this forum, for I would have lost all of my beliefs from realist bitches. Can't you just leave the religious people alone. Is it against the fucking law to have beliefs, no matter how unrealistic they may seem to you cunts?

Proof of God... I am here to prove that God dose exsist. No i dont have physical evidence... my churches youth group went on a retreat this weakend... we started some heavey prayer along with some very spiritual songs... There were some 40 + people on this reatreat... Everyone had there own unique experiance. I myself Rested... There were alot of cryers and a couple of laughers... Everyone that went up there unsure came back 100% positive that there is a God.

also i would like to again point out how many times evolutionists have had to change thier doctrine. and that God remains unchanged =D if creationsism is a dead horse then why should evolution change so many times due to our resaerch.

The big bang theroy is pretty much disproven. Hardly any one that actually studies it belives in it. Its obvious it never happend. When has an explosion ever caused perfict balance? Never! Every exsplosion know to man has caused chaos and disorder so why should this be any differint? Pluse if there was some gigantic explosion how come were not still flying uncontrolable through space if there is nothing to stop us?

Stop saying you need physical proof. Just look around you. You really belive all of this came from a tiny cell? that is totaly and utterly bull shit... We are positioned the perfect distance from the sun. and you think this happend by chance? HA ya right.

[Replying to 'you can't cure homosexuality']This is a very short sighted statement. Pneumonia was a death sentence before 1940 when Penicillin came along. Maybe 20 years from now they'll have Homocillan; how do you know there's no way to eliminate homosexuality?

God asks that we first beilive and then we will see...as oppose to the perverse and backwards way of thinking today which i s'seeing is beliving'... you should try it and find out for yourself instead of making assumptions.

Part of Christianity is that God is greater than any scientific crap that man can come up with. Thus, if I were using faith as support, I could instantly invalidate every scientific argument you had. Note how this discussion will NEVER GO ANYWHERE.

hello........uh.....im new  1. where did all the matter in the universe come from?  2. how did life originate?  3. why do creationists say that evolution viloates 4 known laws (1rst and 2nd law of thermodynamics, law of cause and effect, and law of biogenesis)?  4. also why do creationsist say that evolution doesnt qualify to be a theory? and that special creation however does...?...  7.how come we see that there is evidence for a global flood if iy aint true?  8. why are you blind to the Truth by your rebellious sin nature and hardend hearts?  9. why say that stuff coming from creationists websites is junk, and push peer reviwed articles, when you quote talkorigins?

[Replying to 'good science is that which explains the world around us, whether or not it agrees with scripture"]and you know this is true because how? why?

When we're hit with a crises every Jew, Christian, Atheist, Secularist, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and Communist turns to God for relief .

I agree that just like any demographic, there are good and bad homos. However, no one would argue that a retard should be able to adopt a child. The same logic applies. The only reason homosexuals want to adopt children is to use it as an issue; it isn't that they really care about the children. Once homosexuals adopting becomes an accepted practice, they will argue "since we can adopt like a married couple, why can't we get married?" That's the REAL issue.

Homosexuality IS a genetic disorder. That's what you and other homo/bi sexuals along with the majority of society fail to acknowledge. It's just like Down's Syndrome, Retardation, Dyslexia... no one would argue that we should just leave those people go untreated. Homosexuality is something that scientists should be trying to cure.

Secdonly, what about this so called nonsense I talked about people being born as 'inanmiate objects.' Ok Shadow Fox, I'll come back to the 21st century.This clone is still an inanmiate object, because the clone was still not born through intercourse.

Like i said before God cannot be proven with science. Pluse God has been proven several times in the bible.

I was being humorous. But seriously, aren't we fed up with this nonsense? It's time for American forces to move in and crush the freedom haters.

[Let's go back to the middle ages!]

And back on the mind control topic, education could be considered a form of mind control.