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I would be amazed if the men you mention had repented.

I would not be amazed to discover when the books are opened during the second judgment that those individuals had been turned over to reprobate hearts at some point before physical death.

But the reason they will be in the lake of fire for all eternity is because their names are not found in the Lamb’s Book of Life, not because of the things in the other books.

In that they will be no different than anyone else who does not repent, for whatever reason they did not repent ... which INCLUDES people who chose their perversions over the Savior.

And that is and will be THEIR problem.

What more could be done for them than Christ has done? Should they receive Heaven without repentance too? May as well ask if sin should increase that grace abound all the more. May it never be!

So you, why did you think to bring up such grossly wicked men as if they were the only comparisons?

Do you not realize that there are men that many people deem to be really great guys who also have perished (if we go by the witness they gave about their beliefs rather than by the wishy-washy sentimentalism of a world that thinks “good people” go to Heaven even though they reject the Gospel)?

To this I will add: it is not remarkable that people who were wicked in ways the culture deems less offensive may be damned in the very same manner to those whose crimes offends men the most.

For the natural state of men apart from Christ is not “holy”. And the culture is polluted, its judgments faulty.

Rather, if you want to marvel and be offended: YES ... there are people whose sins are legitimately among the most offensive to mankind who have repented, and they will be in the Kingdom ... even as “good men” who did not repent perish. It is even likely that some of the victims of those bad men (who repented), victims who themselves never repented, will also be damned. Just a matter of statistics that this is gonna happen.

Again, going back to your post, I’ve never seen evidence or credible claim that the men you rattled off repented. When they are judged any forced confusion on the matter will remain impossible to maintain.

But that is not your problem.

Your problem, and indeed your opportunity is have you repented? Have you been saved?

I certainly hope you have (I’m not judging you), or if not yet, that you will. The sooner the better.

“Hey, marriage is great, so let’s just give into the Left’s demands about the redefinition of a cornerstone of our society because not doing so would be bigoted.”

To put this another way, this person, understandably, took the position of the Republican Establishment, which was to ‘put the issue behind us’, because ‘we don’t want to be on the neanderthal side of social issues’ because ‘we cannot win elections that way’.

Well, not UNDERSTANDING your enemy means that they will always, and I mean always, defeat you.

It takes COURAGE on our side to understand our enemies. The first step is to understand that the MEDIA is an enemy. For example, when they show the 1% of DACA children going to Harvard, but not the 20% (or whatever number) of DACA children going to state prisons...we need to accept that we’re being manipulated.

On gay marriage, it was ONLY A START. 5 years ago their argument was “What harm will gays getting married do to straight people?” and we bought it, because we really thought it would end there. Now we see lives ruined, kids being sexualized in schools, not just without parents being allowed to opt-out, but without even bothering to inform parents, and the beginnings of the push to normalize pedophilia.

On a different topic, but similar results - how many Asian parents thought that allowing qualified blacks and Hispanics equal access to colleges would result in their vastly more qualified kids being REJECTED from those schools, so as to open up slots for underqualified blacks and Hispanics.

And it will continue, it will never stop...until we kick out the GOPe, who seem totally oblivious to this, and win enough elections, for a sustained period of time.