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Bruce Wang:
This might seem like an obvious question, but if you're opposed to homosexual marriage, how about if you just don't get married to someone of the same gender? Problem solved. Worry about yourself and let other people make their own decisions.

Amos Moses:
how about that IS A FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT and a STRAWMAN ...... and NO it does not "solve the problem" ..........

Bruce Wang:
Why? What is it about your faith that you think gives you the right to control the lives of other people?

Amos Moses:
what is it about your faith that makes YOU think YOU have that right ..... to destroy society and language and marriage and free speech and destroy your life and others lives ...... because THAT is what you are doing and advocating for ..................

Bruce Wang:
I don't have a faith, and I leave people alone to live their lives. They have the right to do that.

Amos Moses:
you live by MORE FAITH than any christian .... and ... it is BLIND FAITH

Bruce Wang:
Now you're just being willfully obtuse. I DEFY you to come up with one SINGLE thing I believe in that's "blind faith". That's the OPPOSITE of what I choose to believe.

Amos Moses:
A peer-reviewed journal said it, I have no reason to doubt it, that settles it ..... Unless new evidence becomes available.
With science all things are somewhat probable.
TBBT explains how nothing exploded and random chance created EVERYTHING ..... including YOU .... and then rocks became animate ..........
you accept science ... and in all probability .... you have never personally confirmed even one tenth of what you believe science is ..... BLIND FAITH ......... and that one tenth is a GENEROUS estimation ........

Bruce Wang:
So what I have is tested and accepted science. And you call that blind faith.
What you have is...blind faith in a 2000 year old book, and you mock ME?

Amos Moses:
no ........ YOU tested NOTHING ............ YOU accepted .......... ON FAITH .... and BLIND faith at that ...............

Bruce Wang:
I didn't have to test, other people did it for me. And that isn't blind faith. Blind faith is what you have.

Amos Moses:
again ..... BLIND FAITH ..........

Bruce Wang:
The material is contained in universities and libraries. That's the opposite of "blind". It's a very sad person that goes through life denying what's been shown and proven to be true.

Amos Moses:
believing the words of another without VERIFYING those words ..... = ...... BLIND FAITH ....... and YOU have NEVER verified even 1 % of ANY of it ..... BLIND FAITH ..........

Bruce Wang:
I don't need to read a manual on how a fire truck works to know that it works. Not blind faith. Do you go through life disbelieving everything you can't explain? How's that working out for you?

Amos Moses:
you do not know how quantum physics works and you are taking anothers word BLINDLY that they DO ........... and you have no means whatsoever of verifying it as true ..... nor have you ever, in all probability, done so .......and that is FAITH ..... and BLIND FAITH at that ....... when ones knows the truth ....... one then knows what to believe and what NOT to believe .... as TRUTH is the MEASURE of all else ........... and it is knowable without any other thing .......you still have no idea if it is true or not .... you BLINDLY ACCEPT through FAITH ........ and you have no means to verify EVEN BY READING their studies as you are not a, most likely, a quantum physicist ..... and you would have to be to even understand if what they were saying is true or not ........ nope .... your only "understanding" is "A peer-reviewed journal said it, I have no reason to doubt it, that settles it ..... Unless new evidence becomes available." ........ BLIND FAITH ............

Bruce Wang:
I don't blindly accept through faith. I knowingly accept through science. I don't accept it because a peer-reviewed journal said it...I accept it because the journal has been thoroughly tested and found to be accurate. Which is NOT "blind faith".

Amos Moses:
you knowing WORSHIP science with BLIND FAITH ......... and you REJECT TRUTH and you do not know the truth ...........

Amos Moses:
there is much "science" that is false .... not everything labeled as science is science ......... and just because a scientist says something does not make it science ................ and YES much of science YOU ACCEPT is FAITH .... because the truth is .... you have never confirmed any of what you have read as science ..... you JUST ACCEPT as a matter of FAITH that it is true .......... and you express that FAITH more than any christian .... what is faulty is what you put YOUR FAITH in .......... other men .........
FYI ..... God CREATED science .... and if science does not comport to His truth .... then it is a lie and false science ............

Bruce Wang:
No, God didn't create science. Of course your faith teaches you that but what nonsense. Science is science, it has no need of deities, real or imagined.
And when science IS wrong - which it is GLAD to be, since it just gets supplanted with better data and methodology - it is science itself that proves it so. Not religion.
There is nothing about my belief in science that is faith. Faith is something I don't have, nor would I ever turn to it for anything. When something is proven to be true with tests and so forth, then I believe it.

Amos Moses:
"Of course your faith teaches you that but what nonsense. Science is science, it has no need of deities, real or imagined."
you would not have any science without God who created a stable universe for it to be used in ....... without a stable universe there is not consistent results that could be obtained for any science .......... science is ONLY methodology .... it is neither right or wrong nor does it have any means of determining those things ........... so your statements are in error ..... and all you have about science is FAITH ............

Bruce Wang:
Science des not require God. Simply ask one of the millions of atheist scientists. Science is far more than methodology, we have cures to diseases because of science that God never gave us. We did that with science.

Amos Moses:
science does not exist outside of God .......... and God gave us science to do what you claim He did not ......... "atheist scientists" .... oxymoron and contradiction in terms ...........

Bruce Wang:
I assure you atheist scientists exist, and can effortlessly provide you with many examples.

Amos Moses:
yeah ... but still an oxymoron and a contradiction in terms ... there is no science, true science, outside of God .... and to exclude God from the evidence is only ERROR .... now they might STUMBLE into the correct science from time to time .... but their results are suspect as they exclude part of the evidence .... excluding evidence leads to error ..... and that evidence they exclude is God ......

Bruce Wang:
It isn't an oxymoron. "Jumbo shrimp" is an oxymoron. "Same difference" is an oxymoron. But a scientist who doesn't believe in a God makes complete sense. And they aren't ANGRY at God either, as people like you often claim. They just don't think there is a God there, they have several other ways to propose the nature of the world.

Amos Moses:
nope .... a "scientist" who ignores the EVIDENCE .... is NOT a scientist ..... and an "A-theist scientist" IGNORES THE EVIDENCE of God ...... and his observations are in error ..... and because he IGNORES THE EVIDENCE ...... he is NOT A SCIENTIST ....... and that does NOT make any sense to call him what he is not ............