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Re: Men are more disadvantaged than women in the UK, US and most of Europe, scientists claim

(dunesfrank)

Because it's an awful measurement used.

It's certainly superior to that of the feminist WEC and UN indexes, which don't even taken into account areas in which males are behind females in a particular area. In fact the WEC index actually portrays female superiority as "more equal". So this is at least a step in the right direction.

However it's flawed. The paper doesn't really get into the institutional oppression of males in western nations and focuses mainly on health. It doesn't mention MGM, discrimination against boys in school, institutional discrimination against males in the family and criminal courts, the constant hate campaigns against males in the media, the demonization of male sexuality, discrimination against white men in the workplace, discrimination against homeless men in shelter access, complete lack of reproductive rights, curtailments of due process rights, paternity fraud, male victims of domestic and sexual violence etc. etc.

Basically it just scratches the surface. But yeah, still vastly superior to feminist attempts at measuring "gender equality", which are completely fraudulent if not downright bizarre.

Take some of this with a grain of salt.
no doubt men are disadvantaged in many areas, but some of their overall data is flawed.
take their example of saudi arabia:
The researchers said the gravest disadvantage facing men was often heath, particularly in countries with high levels of alcohol consumption, which tends to lower men’s lifespan.
ok....
For women, the disadvantages are strongly related to education.
one is not like the other, and comparing the two are dumb as shit.
for men, its our own faults that are holding back (in saudi arabia not else where). where as women's one is institutionalized

Males suffer institutional oppression in almost every area of western life. Boys can have their genitals legally mutilated, causing hundreds of deaths every year; boys suffer institutional discrimination in schools (see CH Sommers "The War Against Boys"; also we now known that female teachers mark boys down by an average of 20 percent for the same work); males in college are routinely denied due process rights when accused of some crime by a woman; entire departments in universities are devoted to demonizing males and male sexuality; countries like Canada are literally attempting to reverse due process in rape cases; "female only" scholarships and programs continue despite women making up a strong (and growing) majority on college campuses; men are twice as likely to be arrested and charged when they commit a crime and receive on average 60 percent longer prison sentences; male victims of sexual violence by women rarely receive justice; men are profiled as pedophiles when they want to work with children; white men suffer institutional discrimination in the workplace due to affirmative action and corporate "diversity" measures; males have zero reproductive rights; males routinely suffer discrimination in the family courts, and are sometimes denied access to their children due to false accusations (which are hardly ever punished); though men pay the majority of taxes (females have a net drain on the tax system) nearly all gender-specific programs by government cater to females; much more money is spent on female health care than male health care; male victims of domestic violence are routinely arrested for domestic violence; I could go on indefinitely.

So yeah, you have it exactly backwards. Women suffer from social issues, mostly based on their choices, but it is males that suffer institutional oppression.

The third world is a different ballgame. It's difficult to get accurate information in part because feminist organizations only concentrate on areas in which females are allegedly disadvantaged.

Even in "patriarchical" countries (eg Saudi Arabia) you can find clear evidence of male institutional oppression. Eg men being thrown in prison if they lose their job and can't support their wives; men being treated much more harshly by the criminal justice system (which, again, is an example of institutional discrimination); males being considered expendable (whether in wars or the workplace or even leisure activities -- eg until a few years ago in Saudi Arabia boys as young as 4 were forced to become "camel jockeys" and would frequently die as a result); male victims of sexual and domestic violence being completely ignored (in many cases the law doesn't even conceive of female sexual assault as a crime, even if the victim is if a boy); and so on.

The much higher rates of male alcoholism are undoubtedly related to institutional discrimination, not in every case, but many.

(Seagram1)
The world filled with female middle management is discriminating against the male gender. It is happening in the West because the rsst of the world has not filled its office management and HR departments with women. The lesson to learn here is that a woman is a sexist and by giving them power to decide who gets what they give to other women and let the men do without. It must end or chaos will ensue.

(UsernameIWontRegret)
Woman have always been more privileged than men. They point to kings and act as if that represents men at large.

Let's not forget women by and large did not want the vote in the early 20th century because they didn't want that responsibility.

Let's also not forget that women are by and large more pro-life than men.

If you want your cause taken seriously, I wouldn't recommend saying stuff like this.

There are two types of people in this world.

Those who don't care about facts or realities, only the feeling or emotion conveyed.

Those who don't care about feeling or emotions conveyed, only the facts and realities.

Most men fall into that second group, whereas most women fall into the first. Someone once said for men communication is all about content, for women it's context. So this is what makes it hard for women to take MRAs seriously. We are all about conveying the facts that make people feel uncomfortable, and women don't like the fact that it makes them feel uncomfortable, so they ignore it. It doesn't change the fact that these are in fact facts. And I will never apologize for stating what is demonstrably true.

(dawnpriestess)
Probably because white women usurped affirmative action, meant for minorities who were historically oppressed, and are usually the most underqualified people found in the workplace.

Another reason could be because feminists successfully infiltrated HR departments nationwide and mostly focus on getting women into the board rooms and high level positions of Corporate America, a place they did not build.

If you want your cause taken seriously, I wouldn't recommend saying stuff like this.

The part about voting is actually true. Feminists were pushing for the right to vote, but many women were fighting against it, since it also meant they would be eligible to be drafted to war. Of course men ultimately protected them from that responsibility, and died by the millions while women stayed at home.

(HQR3)

We did it boys! We beat feminism.

Yep. Just like we did in the mid-70s when we proved parity in DV/IPV./s

(WikiMB)
I can see feminists explaining that it's because of patriarchy and toxic masculinity.

(politeAndLevelHed)
It isn't just on dads.

A few decades ago it became unacceptable for boys to excel in the STEM (science, tech, engineering, math) subjects and there has been intense focus on ensuring women get better results even if it means bringing down boys' marks in the process.

Which I find almost comical because boys who excel at STEM at school are usually on the end of some heavy physical beatings by boys who mostly rank each other on strength.

So you're now finding that weak boys are being physically assaulted by stronger boys, and they're being mentally punished by women who think it is unacceptable for a boy to be able to differentiate and integrate.

I do believe this multi-decade push to retard boys is showing considerable success - and yet feminists haven't stopped to congratulate themselves, the rhetoric is only getting stronger - too many boys in STEM! Must create female-only clubs to inspire girls in technology! No more men in STEM!

(Auwardamn)
This is all academia bullshit and it filters its way out in professional industry. Sure, you’ll have to fight for a job through the idiotic HR folks guarding the job, but once you get in through the door anywhere, it becomes true competition again.

You’ll find very quickly that the women girls who were ushered through for nothing other than diversity numbers sink very quickly because they either 1) don’t like the work anyways (and all the congratulations and attention they were getting for “succeeding” are gone because no one cares that you did your job correctly) or 2) they aren’t even capable of doing the work correctly because they were never capable to begin with. When it comes to a job, I really don’t care what your genitalia is, I care if you can perform. Penis, vagina, or a surgically mutilated version of either, idgaf. I care if you can objectively perform. If you can’t, you will naturally be replaced by those who can.

Hang in there bud, it gets better and things fall into their natural order eventually. There aren’t very many femnazis in actual industry.

(maxrp)
STEM industry like you describe quicky becomes a conveyer belt of failures, and management gets more desperate they promote the useless to one side to be "reportees" or "admins" and get guys to do the heavy lifting and all nighters to deliver. Effectively women sit easy on the bench with equal pay. Note I don't say guys are not useless but they usually get fired if they don't deliver. Theres always a bitch fest of maddness going on among the girls, forming clicks and getting each other thrown off the project regardless if they deserved it or not, and why majority of girls prefer working with guys only.

(grandmasbroach)
Can confirm. I work in a sales type position. I am also ALWAYS number one and provide more in the way of monetary profit for the organization than anyone but my immediate boss, the director. Still, there are HR SJWs who make just as much as me, six figures mind you, and detract value from the organization as far as I can tell. I bring the place about a million a year in new and sustained accounts, and get around ten percent of that depending on a myriad of complicated commissions and bonuses. I'm always under the gun trying to hit quotas and hit bonuses. It can be really stressful. My mornings consist of listening to them drink coffee and talk about whatever bullshit they're doing outside of work or hear about the latest office gossip about other people, all the while wishing they would just shut the fuck up so I can concentrate and get my work done.

It's fucked up. We could just bring on a bunch of people like me, fire off all those idiots and in theory make a shit ton more money. The problem with that is, the SJWs have infected everything so bad we would get a lawsuit against us for discrimination. Or, we would get slammed in the media so bad for being misogynistic and other people and places won't want our services no matter how good it is. Now, in my department there is competition and lazy, stupid people don't make it because they don't hit their quotas. I just think it is fucked up that I have to perform and produce or find something else to do. While these lazy fucks can drink coffee and chat for half the day and only do anything when we hire new people or some other sjw gets their panties in a twist. Then it's time for some good ol reprogramming via forced classes Clockwork Orange style. You will submit to the political correctness or be banished! Seriously though, it's fucked up.

(ReturnsOver)
I'm a finance major and this year a school sanctioned/funded "Women in Management Society" was allowed to operate.

Boys are literally prohibited from joining this club and the most twisted part of this crock in my opinion is that the school invites male CEO's of regional companies and lower level executives of major corps to come in and talk to the girls, and as you probably guessed it ... it's all males. Who are now put in the weird position of probably understanding the dichotomy of being a male and going to present to a womyn in mgmt student club but if they point it out and decline the invite....SEXIST MISOGYNIST

They had a networking/speaker event one night across the hallway from a class of mine so I literally walked in and the girls at the desk (who knew my name somehow?) tell me "lmao Returns what are you doingggg here ahahahahah, this is for girls only"

At that moment I knew what had to be done, and I exposed these morons for their idiocy by twisting everything that 2018 has to offer to their ears

"oh...Katie...I identify as a girl though"

"um haha okay Returns nice try"

"no no like... fine I'll tell you, I began hormone therapy 2 months ago, the "results" just haven't manifested yet, so I'm gonna go into your event now, it is 2018 after all, gender is a construct"

"........uh, uhm, like, ugh, okay, I don't really believe you but like uhm like fine"

"... this entire organization is pathetic and you guys should be ashamed of yourselves lmao (I audibly chortle)"

"see I knew there was no way you would've done that"

Then I turned a 180 and went to class, and Katie's friend sitting beside her at the registration desk slid into my DMs later that night

This society is fucking absurd, no way I'm bringing kids into it in 2028 years when it's bad enough as is now. Sad