[From "Crucifixion Denial"]
Elon Musk : Denying a violent event, such as Sandy Hook, the Holocaust, and the September 11th attacks
Ian Miles Cheong : Twitter now has a new policy against Holocaust denial, 9/11 denial, or Sandy Hook denial. Thanks for adding this, @elonmusk
The Crucifixion of Jesus Christ of Nazareth was indubitably a violent historical event. Should not its denial be similarly banned? Does this not mean Twitter has adopted an official Crucifixion Denial policy?
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That there was some Jewish cult leader, unremarkable in the religiously tense and sectarian era of Roman Judea, who preached at least some of the stuff attributed to him and after a short time of preaching was executed yet whose cult survived his death and became Christianity is pretty uncontroversial, with all arguments that Jesus did not exist at all not standing up to Ockham’s razor to me.
Also, three people are a pretty snall mass crucifixion by Roman standards, particularly for the despotic Pontius Pilatus. And don’t you dare even try to pretend that brutally and torturously executing dissidents is not what brings wicked joy to your black heart.
Well, unlike a school shooting, planes impacting two buildings, and an ultra-racist policy of extermination, it's easy to deny something happening to someone that can't be proven to exist .
Can you deny the existence of Ramses II when he has a DNA-analysable body...?!
"Should not its denial be similarly banned?”
After Alex Jones’ lawsuit, Twitter is moving to protect themselves, not you or your god.
No one’s going to sue Twitter if they tolerate atheists, or other religions that do not hold Jesus to have been divine. Or existed.
He sort of has a point here in a weird way, that is “denial of a violent event” is a pretty ridiculous standard.
I deny that the Death Star destroyed Alderaan, it was just a movie. Am I banned for that then?
Yeezus has just crucified himself on his own hill.
And after that, ol' Musky-boy has just denied Kan'tye of his right to an ‘Opinion' on Twitter.
What say you, along with the rest of ye of the white right that thought Elon would be the Messiah of ‘Freeze Peach'…?!
@Bastethotep #149053
“all arguments that Jesus did not exist at all not standing up to Ockham’s razor to me.”
The fact that the Romans - who were so anal-retentive about record-keeping that we still have roomfuls of sales receipts from before Nero - never had any record of any Yeshua bin Yosef/Jesus of Nazareth'/etc. (or any other “messiah,” much less any “King of the Jews”) being crucified during the time period, tells me that there is no evidence that a single historical Jesus actually existed. Much like Goliath, Zeus, Sun Wukong, or Paul Bunyan.
YMMV, of course. I’m no expert.
It would be similar to forbidding depictions of Mohammed. Next you'll want to forbid cursing or anything that touches religion? Ironic from someone who promoted domestic terrorism. https://fstdt.com/$BVZHSPN_FD8B And what would you consider "Jesus crucifixion denial"? Anyone who doesn't embrace your particular version of Christianity? You're then into doctrinal heresy accusations.
Also, someone who doesn't believe in Christianity is not necessarily someone who wants to end it. Holocaust denial is generally promoted by neo-Nazis as part of their antisemitic propaganda. It includes other hate speech like jew marking, blood libel, etc. A movement calling to kill more innocents. Denial of the holocaust is not only a personal faith issue, and we're speaking of a recent enough event in human history that has been written about extensively by actual historians, not 70+ years-later "testimony" gospel in ancient books.
There is propaganda that is dangerous and mainstream platforms wishing to remain mainstream decide to take action when they consider it necessary for their business and reputation.
Historians evaluate that it is likely that Jesus was based on living person(s) but that stories of miracles are implausible and they understand that the formation of human traditions happened, with their literature. There also were older deities than Yahweh in human history, fertility cults and animism, etc. Also, note the difference between my reality-based argument about "actual Yahweh existence" and the promotion of antisemitism and Holocaust denial...
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