(on the subject of morality having to come from God)
Throatwobbler Mangrove:
You cannot steal from what Christianity never owned in the first place.
Amos Moses:
God owns EVERYTHING in His creation ..... including you sweet pea .........
Throatwobbler Mangrove:
Disagree, but not relevant because I said Christianity. Guess what Amos, morality predates Christianity.
Amos Moses:
no it does not predate GOD ..... and it does NOT PREDATE TRUTH ..... which you deny ........ God owns EVERYTHING in His creation ..... including you sweet pea .........
Throatwobbler Mangrove:
Read your own words above, sweet pea. You said Christianity. Then you changed it to “God”. Human morality is older than Christianity. So no one stole from it.
Amos Moses:
NOPE ..... christianity COMES FROM GOD ..... they are not separate ..... they are the samething ..... there is no God BUT the God of christianity ..... and all of creation comes from Him .... and as i said ..... EVEN YOU SWEET PEA ............
Throatwobbler Mangrove:
Nope yourself, sweet pea. Your Bible, which is the only place your God's "morality" was ever written down, has only been around less than 2000 years. Where dd all the people get their morality before that?
Amos Moses:
NOPE .... try 7000 years .......... and to answer your question ..... THEY GOT IT FROM THE GOD WHO CREATED THEM ALL .............. it did not have to be written down for them ........ it was made part of their being .... to a certain extent .......... it is called having a CONSCIENCE
Throatwobbler Mangrove:
Nope, little snowflake, you're wrong. How is anyone going to get any direction from God without a holy book? There's NO WORDS before the Bible, Amos. You like to pretend your Bible has been around forever, but it hasn't, and people with perfectly acceptable morals lives BEFORE that time.
Amos Moses:
ummmm ..... Because ..... GOD SPOKE TO THEM ...... and not as some voice in their heads ..... but out loud for all the assembled to HEAR ..... and they did not like what they heard ..... FYI ..... CONSCIENCE ..... Trumps "empathy" ..... every day of the week ..... and TWICE on SUNDAY ............
Throatwobbler Mangrove:
So you are asking me to believe that this morality that comes from God, which you say atheists steal from God, despite the fact that atheists DO have consciences without REQUIRING a God, can only be known by having it SPOKEN to those lucky few by God? Have I got this right?
Amos Moses:
God gave ALL MEN a conscience ...... and it is not the result of evolution or any other thing but the CREATOR of ALL MEN ........ A-theist, pagan or otherwise ..... that is why when you do commit a crime ....you KNOW IT IS A CRIME ..... and you seek to cover it up ....... and not one person had to tell you to do that ..... a TWO YEAR OLD DOES IT ..... it is innate ... no one had to explain it ..... as God placed a conscience in ALL MEN ..........
BUT .... God did speak in an audible voice at Sinai ............ and ALL OF ISRAEL was assembled and heard it ..... and they did not like it .............