EchoChaos #fundie

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[context: Do you want government mandated religion?]

1) What do you say/do/feel for minority religious people? I'm sure there are a significant number of devout people who find objection to any but the most mundane religious prayer/symbol/etc. Maybe consider a Catholic parent who's offended that that Ten Commandments imposed on schools is wrongly stated from the Catholic point of view.

A vote should be held on this. That's why we have school board elections, mayoral elections, etc. If you object to a Protestant being elected mayor, you're welcome to elect a Catholic. That's what "no religious test for office" should mean.

2) What do you do when Christian's differ in their faith? At least in my home town, the majority of Churches are super open to, and encourage the membership of gay people. But some churches disagree. Yet we probably need a state or national view on "Are these two particular people married".

A vote should be held on this as well, of course. That's why we have a democracy. We held votes on it, the American people agreed that marriage was only a man and a woman, it should have ended there with no issue.

P.S. There is one majority Muslim town in the US with 25,000 people who live in Hamtramck MI.

They should have been deported.

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EC: “Yes, I want government mandated religion! MY version of MY religion!”

We had a vote on it when we approved the Constitution.

It’s hilarious how this guy can’t keep up the pretense of supporting voting for even a few lines of text. It’s voting to select a religion, voting to select a religion, Muslims should be deported. I wonder what he does when Satanists win?

They should have been deported.

For the fact that they’re Muslim and live in a town where they feel safe? Oh no, there’s one small town out of the 19,502 in the entire US that’s majority Muslim! They’re taking over!1!!!11!!!!!!!1

“But I WANT Tyranny of the Majority!”

We held votes on it, the American people agreed that marriage was only a man and a woman, it should have ended there with no issue.

But consensus can shift…

Some New England states had counties vote for their established churches, until that they decided, in the 1830s, that separation would be easier to manage.

“A vote should be held on this.”
Better yet, you could take the school to court and object. Catholic parents did sue a school because their kids were learning a Baptist prayer.
That’s kinda HOW we got prayer removed from schools.
Not all prayer. There are still math tests, but coerced or led-prayer.
That’s constitutional.

“That's why we have school board elections, mayoral elections, etc.”
ANd when certain religious get in charge, they try to teach Creationism or some other part of tehir faith and lose BIGLY in court. Costly, too.

"If you object to a Protestant being elected mayor, you're welcome to elect a Catholic. That's what "no religious test for office" should mean.”
that’s stupid. “no religious test for office’ does NOT mean EACH FUCKING VOETER gets their OWN TEST.

“ Yet we probably need a state or national view on "Are these two particular people married".”
There is one. It applies to every state. People married in that state are married in every other state. What more do you want?

“A vote should be held on this as well, of course.”
No, you really can’t vote on RIGHTS. You can’t allow state-by-state discrimination. If the COTUS supports or allows it, no state can prohibit it.

“That's why we have a democracy. We held votes on it, the American people agreed that marriage was only a man and a woman,”
Doesn’t matter if they did, and i don’t think they did. You need to draft an amendment to change the constitution.

“it should have ended there with no issue.”
So, no votes ONCE the votes give your preferred results, hut? Kinda fascist.

“P.S. There is one majority Muslim town in the US with 25,000 people who live in Hamtramck MI.

They should have been deported.”
For… For being found guilty of what crime?

Read what your First Amendment says, or do you need a foreigner to explain it? You know, from a country that did vote for SSM.

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They should have been deported.”
For… For being found guilty of what crime?

The crime of being able to participate in a free democracy (for now) in such a way the will of the privileged is not guaranteed and not automatically designated the will of all/the clear majority. Not without dropping the pretext of being a democracy with clearly defined laws and rights.

Individual rights? Put it to a vote. Complain about a vote infringing on your rights? Should have convinced people to vote differently and just be thankful the vote is a thing. People can vote in a way I don’t like? They don’t GET to vote.

"Vote" because "the people agree". What when they don't and it's you? That's why you also resort to all those conspiracies and trolling campaigns to increase corruption and conflict and end democracy, right? The question discloses it, the imposition of a specific cult by the government on everyone, including those who are not in your particular cult or disagree with imposing a theocracy. It even violates your constitution. Then history knows that when a cult is imposed, it implies the persecution of other groups, including other denominations in the same religion. You admit that you want to "deport" those you hate and that you hate them because of your identitarian politics. And the persecution of those within your cult, by those in your cult, without recourse to law to hold those responsible for abuses. That's authoritarianism and forcing people into submission for the exploitation by an elite, who dictates what is "right" and what is "the people", for its own purposes, not freedom or democracy, not the people.

P.S. There is one majority Muslim town in the US with 25,000 people who live in Hamtramck MI.

I think Dearborn, MI qualifies for that as well. Or at least, it’s the US city with the most Muslims, I think? Not necessarily the same thing, though.