It doesn't follow that you need a brain to believe.

[Do you have any evidence at all that organisms without brains can believe anything at all?]
I have seen insects believe. Insects that believe are markedly less erratic in their flight paths, etc.

See above for my comments on the definition of belief and its simplicity.

[Regarding the science behind radiometric dating techniques]

I don't really know about any of this and just because you have cited a few things does not mean that I know any more. I would have to know all the perameters involved. Then I could only make a guess but I do know that something is amuck in scienceland because there is no way that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, maybe 3.78 but certainly not 4.5. (face-palm smiley)

[It's not blasphemous, it's hilarious. (in reference to FSTDT)

Christians believing that there's no such thing as gravity, and our sin is what weighs us down..... honestly *shakes head*]

No some are trying to make a point but others turn it around for amusement. And its mocking Christians which is an extremly ungodly .. its a common trait of a heathen.

On fstdt...

This site is run by a bunch of sodomites who scour other Christian sites to find foder for their mockery of the gospel in the first place, then they rate it as to how "crazy" the statement sounds to them. They are trying to get a laugh at someone's expense because their own lives have little or no meaning, so they find their worth in "de humanizing" others.

[In response to a user who pointed out that Chinese and Egyptian historical records were unbroken during the time of the Great Flood, indicating the flood was not world wide]

As the flood was worldwide and everyone but Noah and his own were wiped out, that claim is a major conflict. The Word of God has the authority. I have to say that someone needs to get back to the drawing board!

The Harry Potter series has done more to spur an interest into Witchcraft into yourg people, more than "rock music, Video games, comic books, cartoons, or any evil device" combined. Usually the most dangerous product, is the one that destroys a generation while making us feel as if it is harmless.

JK Rowling uses Neumerology to enhance the witchcraft of her release dates, and she makes other devices that are connected to witchcraft. She is writing from her own experiences, and the practice of true witchcraft in her writing has made her rich and famous.

But to those who are undiscerning, the smooth good feelings that you get from endulging in her fantasy work is nothing more than spirits enticing you further into giving satan your children all in the pretense of having a little fun. Nothing is as it appears when you are dealing with matters such as this. Enjoy it while you can, because judgment is just around the corner. Maybe then, you will be shaken from your stupor.

<< Regarding an omnibenevolent God and hell >>

God could put conditions on His love and force people into Heaven, or conditionally love people and destroy them.

God's unconditional love extends even in allowing a person to suffer for all eternity.

Evolution contradicts God in that evolution 1) denies that man was made in the image and likeness of God, thereby nullifying the theory/belief that man has a soul. 2) denies that God made them "male and female", because evolution requires that God did not make them male and female, but rather that he started out with asexual creatures and evolved them.

Evolution is antichrist.

The universe was created by God about six thousand years ago according to the geneologies of the Holy Bible, the infallible Word of God.

I like to to tell people, "the earth is about 5,767 years old".

God obviously created the earth with the appearance of age i.e. Adam and Eve were created as adults with the ability to speak a language and do farming. Adam and Eve also had the abilty to procreate (have children). god does creative miracles today so it is no reach to believe he did the same thingsix thousand years ago, but obviously on a grander scale.

Science cannot conclusively determine the "age of the earth" as defined by natural means (evolution). I have heard some people, usually young impressionable students say, "evolution is a proven fact - science proves the law of evolution". This is not possible because evolution can only use historical science to estimate ages and origins. Operation science cannot be used to prove evolution. Operational science is the kind of science done in laboratories where things can be demonstrated and/or repeated.

Historical science confirms the eye witmness account of creation provided by the Bible i.e. God is the eye witness to his own creation and he communicated the history of it to scribes and prophets of old. This should not be unreasonable even for a traditional Chirstian to understand. Shortly after his descendants were making musical instruments and doing metalurgy.

I challenge the participants of the this forum who are convinced of evolution to give one example of evolution. If they cannot do that tell me how you can believe in a very old earth without sin and death before Adam.

How does it oppose science? Were you there? Are you the God of science? Why can't you accept that we accept God's word for what it is? I believe it because it's in his word, is that not reason enough? Am I allowed to be a Christian? Honestly, this is why I detest evolution and would rather stay away from it's adherents. This stuck up attitude. Did Jesus rise from the Grave? How can you believe that someone rose from the dead after they had clearly died? Or are you more prone to accept the Pharisee's story?

Genesis is literal. It is not only literal in context, but its language is scientific, within the scope of the original Hebrew. Sorry, but you really don't have a grasp of the reality of God's word. Yes, I just called into question your scholarship, which is sorely lacking.

The fact is that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. This proves that He is God in human flesh. This means everything He says is right, and if you disagree with Him you are wrong.

He has declared that homosexuality is an abomination. So it is.

So no matter how many "points" you write about, they mean nothing at all if you are going against what HE has said.

You are wrong, HE is right!

[PRATT. "Theory" in a scientific context is different from the common use of the word; atoms, relativity, and gravity are theories too. Evolution is both a fact and a theory.]

That's just word play. Science used to be much more approachable and practical before the time of godlessness. A theory was a theory no matter who used the word; it meant the same thing. And it was understood to mean unproven. Generally we didn't think gravity was an unproven theory and likewise we didn't think the atomic theory or relativity were unproven. We didn't call them theories then. Rather we considered them proven theories or science.

Vestigial organs are the invention of evolutionists. My grandmother was lost her tailbone from an accident when she was 50 years old. For the next 40 years she had pain sitting for any length of time. I have all my teeth----------wisdom and all. It is very hard for me to bight off more than I can chew....... Goosebumps help to warm one up when one stands in a draft. GOD did not make any unuseful parts; however, HE has allowed man's body to cope when some parts (because of a sinful world) go bad. That was a blessing.

[There is no evidence for Creationism]

That's because Jesus took the evidence back to Heaven with Him.

Good points! In Canada, homo-fascism is prevalent. Not only are any public pronouncements against homosexuality essentially banned, but pro-homosexual indoctrination it is now becoming compulsory education in a number of provinces. And you can forget the idea of freedom of association.

Please Dont be gay, I saw a man at walmart today and he had the gay voice; which is a spirit that homosexuals receive because they are possessed by a spirit. So don't do it or you will get really messed up and confused. Dont give the devil a foothold.

Jesus was tempted with gravitational theory by satan.

[The OP is about lying. Is it okay to lie, if you are lying about homosexuals?]

God forgives liars. God hates homosexuals. If it prevents people from becoming homosexual, or criminalizes the act, then yes. Whatever it takes to get these people to see God.

EVOLUTION is the secularization of Christian spirituality. It repesents the dumbing down of faith to the point of non-existance. The economy of the United States is being destroyed by industrial spendthrifts who would rather pay higher taxes, import tarrifs, and export fees (all at the expense of the American worker), so they can get cheap labor and lead painted products.

One doesn't have to know anything about evolution in order to be either a physician, an industrialist, or a technician. All one needs is drive, curiosity, and love of others. These are not taught in any science class on "evolution." Being a dumb chimp relative, just might be.

Look, any guy could become gay if he wanted to, i can easily imagine myself being like "oh what a tight ass, what a fine body, i want to blah blah blah". But any logical guy can realize that the guy and the girl are meant for each other, and you dont have to be insecure over whether or not your gay because its caused by demons.

Homosexuality is a vile SIN!

GOD HAS SAID SO.

There is no lie here. Just a homosexual political machine that Hates God and wants to destroy His Word. Notice that I didn't say individual homosexuals. Did you catch that?! So now you can't say that I hate homosexuals! If you do I will only laugh at your stupidity.

So since the homosexual political machine is vile and evil and against the Word of God, it should be condemned. That is what us Christians do.

I personally laugh when the heathen label us as filled with hate. It only shows how far they will go to spread lies against the people of God.

No matter. The God of Abraham sees all things and will judge all those who come against His people (not good to touch the apple of His eye.).

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. His wrath is beyond anything that any human being can imagine.

Just something to think about.

Rearrange the letters in SANTA and you have

SATAN

And since Satan is the negation of God, we can be sure he's going to take something like CHRISTmas and turn it into something pagan and secular, which is why we have to greet each other with terms the atheists and secularlists love, like "Happy Holidays" and "Seasons Greetings" instead of "Merry CHRISTmas".

Because of Jesus' death on the cross, I doubt humanity will ever invent a time travel device where you can alter the past. God would want Jesus' death to be the end of sin, and not allow anyone( man or spirit), to go back in time and stop it from happening.

[A Fundie characterizes his opponents]

Isn't it funny, I don't walk around thinking about Gay marriage, and only give my views when it comes up, but it seems like those on the other side [gays] of this issue just seem obcessed.

Oh --- and no --- I'm not planning on answering MrGoodBytes' question. He's trying to draw me into a scientific discussion that I can't back with Scripture.

Besides --- I don't know the answer anyway --- it's not documented in the Bible.

H.P. is the most vile book series ever written. There is no more evil entertainment book(s) than this. Simply putrid.

The stench of these books is nauseating.

(In response to one poster's claim that if Christianity were a truly virtuous religion, Fundies would strive to make starvation non-existent, promote ecological awareness, and fervently pursue equitable distribution of wealth, etc.)

"Well if I am bad to someone intentionally I would have them do unto me as bad or worse as I did unto them because I would feel I desreve it.

Wars in the world are to prove Jesus was right.

Matthew 24 : 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
(Eartquakes cause Tsunamis)

World hunger is because of lack of belief in Christ and proof that Christs word is correct.

Christianity is not here to prevent world hunger. It is to teach us to be happy hungry . persecuted or in any circumstance.

The ecological shape the world is in is proof that the prophecies in the Bible are real.

Global warming will cause adverse weather causin 100 pound as Prophecied.

Air pollution hugely increases the size of hail , and thus the amount of damage it can cause to crops and property, according to a study presented Wednesday at the European Conference on Severe Storms"

You can only serve one master. God can't be your master and common sense too.

To all the heathen (hearthen, people of the hearth, or earth; a.k.a. heathen) on this board who are constantly taking shots at the Christians, the Bible, and God Himself: did you read the above passages?

Do you understand what this means? If not, let me explain something to you.

I know that right now you think its funny to laugh at me and my brothers when we come against homosexuality, abortion, and all manner of filth that this country is mired in. I understand that you think its funny and all that... However, if you understand the passages above; then you will understand that one day there will be no more laughing.

One day in the near future, the HEATHEN WILL BE FORCED TO OBEY!!! When Messiah begins His reign on this earth, there will be no more mocking/laughing at Him and His Word. There will be only FORCED OBEDIENCE to His authority. Justice will be swift and instantaneous. And this will be a glorious thing!!!

FORCED TO OBEY!!!

I like the sound of that.

First of all, the false god of Islam is not the same God as the God of the Bible.

Second, given how often the Founding Fathers wrote and spoke of Christianity, I don't see how there would be any doubt as to their intentions.

[Well, DNA contains coding and it's occurs naturally so I guess the proof [that codes do not occur naturally] has been toppled. That was pretty easy. Got any more?

Do we find DNA in Outer Space? Did we discover DNA on the Moon? Is DNA found in meteors? If not, it isn't a "natually occurring" phenomenon. It is quite unique to unique living things on this unique planet.

[Then why do a majority of Christians accept the Theory of Evolution? And please don't use the No True Scotsman Fallacy. I'm really getting tired of it.]

Because the Majority of people (who might identify with christianity) are christian in name only. I know people who call themselves "christians" who do not even believe CHRIST was actually GOD with us. I know people who call themselves "christians" who do not believe JESUS actually rose from the dead. I know people who call themselves "christians" who do not believe satan exists. I know people who call themselves "christians" who dark the door of a church maybe once or twice a year.... What care I what the majority thinks or says?

In response to: "The bible clearly condones slavery in the OT. So wouldn't condemning it in our modern age be a betrayal of traditional bible values?"]

i'm ok with indentured servitude, provided the slaves are provided with survival necessities and an eventual alternative career plan, such as the ownership of 7 acres farmable land after period of 3 yrs slavery (ect.), and think this should be legal.

Point is. Iraq was a national threat to the US security and the safety of the people. Again were not the ones flying planes into their buildings..

Killing infants has nothing to do with security or the safety of this country.. Infants have not commited terrorism or have done anything wrong. You can't compare the killing of the guilty with the innocent.. Abortion has nothing to do with national security..

[Further in the thread...]

Again your comparing the innocent with the guilty. And you do not know for sure that Iraw was not involved. Terrorism goes through all areas of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Arabia.

Abortion has nothing to do with national security or the safety of people. There is a human rights issue with abortion that is violated and such we should not have to pay taxes to support the killing of innocent people...The government needs to cut off ALL FUNDING from planned parenthood and other abortion clinics who mooch off the government

The bible is both inerrant and literally true. I'm not selective, I know God. I'm not the one with questions, doubts and agendas.

Burning evil books is a beautiful thing. Purging evil is a very good thing.

We need a lot more book burnings. Here are the top 5.

1. ) The satanic bible.

2. ) The communist manifesto.

3. ) Mein Kampf.

4. ) Every and all things dealing with the nasty lie of evolution.

5. ) harry potter, all things pertaining to.

We'll start here and work our way down the food chain of evil. Let's get the fires started!!!

I have the first match!!!

[Response to a user who posted the biblical passage of Deuteronomy 22:23-29 (the passage which commands a rape victim to marry her rapist)]

Morning, this is beautiful and holy. It is the Word of God.

He is taking care of this women who would now be soiled and never get a husband. See? Beautiful and holy.

Keep em coming! The Word of God is righteous and lovely.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

9/11 was just a small prelude to what is about to come. God does not relish laying the Smack Down on nations. He is not up in heaven rubbing His hands together just waiting to back-hand the U.S.. However, He can only let our wickedness go so long before He has to bring judgment.

The blood of over 40,000,000 little ones is crying out of the ground to Him. The mass amount of porn, strip clubs, adultery,fornication, divorce, and homosexuality; are screaming up at Him!!! Along with our lawlessness and violence...

His hand of judgment is lifting and getting ready to drop!

As a nation, His hand will come down upon us; unless we REPENT!

SO REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!

God is awesome.

He had me born into a family I love. Besides God and family, I like video games a lot. He had me born when video games just started to come out, so a lifetime training in them makes me a world class master in many games. He commissioned me as a messenger, and my task is easy compared to early Christian's persecutions.

I have a great life thanks to God. And the cool thing is that it only gets better in Heaven.

There doesn't need to be any reasons given. God says it is wrong, and that's it. I don't need any reasons.

[If having a child is “God’s will” why would God then need a virus to control the population?]

In order to "weed" out those that God does not want

[Yet you are happy to disregard the work of scholars presenting evidence of a mistranslation of the word "arsenokroites"... which tends to indicate you are a little less than even minded when it comes to your prior understandings]

Mountain of a molehill. We all know the translation is being altered by the homosexual agenda. We all know what the Word means and what God really thinks about the acts of homosexuality, whether they are performed in some pagan ritualistic manner, or mimicked by those who do it just for fun.

[In other words, god could have created the world in such a way that when "sin" was introduced into the world, only 0.1% of recognized pregnancies would end in miscarriage, but he knowingly and purposefully decided to have about 20% of recognized pregnancies end in miscarriage.]

No He did not.

While it is true that a counsel was held prior to Creation, it is not documented that miscarriages were discussed.

Sin was discussed, and the Second Person of the Godhead volunteered to be the savior of mankind.

Floatingaxe: Sodomy is a particularly unnatural and evil act, against the proper natural use for particular body parts.

[Even within the confines of a straight marriage? Makes foreplay kind of boring, if you ask me.]

Floatingaxe: The dirt chute is meant for outgoing waste only.

God is love and in marriage (that He has created) He rejoices in many expressions of love in the bedroom. Sodomy is not one of them..ir is perverse act that comes from the mind of Satan, who hates God and His institution of marriage, and has sought to destroy it and mankind. He hates all flesh.

Sodomy is the devil's way of flipping the bird at God.

[Why do you believe that sodomy (I'm assuming we're talking about anal sex here, btw) within a marriage is a perverse act that comes from the mind of Satan?]

Floatingaxe: Do you really think a human being thought that one up?

[My wife happens to be Arabic and they derive their history from Ishmael, son of Abraham. Of course your response will be that I am making this up as well. Do you tell that to anyone who says something you don't want to hear?]

Why do you assume what my response will be, and that I don't want to hear about your wife's descent from Abraham? I just asked the other poster how he knew that his wife was also descended from Abraham.

I'm very happy to hear from anyone whose family members are also ancestrally related to the ancestors of Jesus Christ and his disciples.

As far as I can tell, the only way we can know for sure that we are ancestrally descended from, and biologically related to, your wife's Arabic ancestors is by assuming that traditionally accepted written accounts of Arabic and Semitic history are true. If we accept the ancestral fact that Arabs and Jews are descended from Abraham, then we must also accept the historical fact that 175 year old Abraham was descended from 950 year old Noah, and that Noah's written account of the flood is historical data.

Otherwise, everything mankind believes, says or writes about human nature and natural history may be regarded as mythological.

Uhm, OK, applied science..? What do you mean by that? We see life around us, there is a God, he told us that the OT was true as we have historically accurate accounts of Jesus written by his disciples that we have evidence for that too. So then, are we going to disregard what God tells us to be true?

Wheres your applied logic?

Caling Christians silly is not the same as calling someone who believes in fairy unicorns silly. Christianity and other ancient religions have a background to them, a real framework of sorts to be based upon. Unicorns, fairies and their half-breed childkin are based only on mythical stories passed down through the ages.

(This shows how science works... new data can lead to a re-examination of hypothesizes or even accepted theories. Too bad Creationism is not held to the same standard.. hmmm?)

Creationism does hold itself to this standard even though Creationits know beyond a shadow of a doubt after every re-examination of any hypothesis the outcome will always eventually prove the Bible 100 % correct and any hypothesis that woould appear to disprove anything in the Bible will be found to be in error.

Creation science is not for the creationist it is for the decieved.

The reason there are soooo many well sourced creationist sites is because they want to help lead the poor decieved and mislead to the truth.