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Emergence - The Musical #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You still aren't making the distinction between the two questions

Why is there anything and not nothing and how does anything pop out of nothing.

The context of the first question is that something is not dependent on time or finitude or infinitude.

That cannot be said of the second.

I think you have described my position as 'the polish plumber situation that God finds energy and tinkers with it.
Firstly actual power never finds anything least of all already realised potential. You assume actual finds something rather than causes something.

I think your model might have the derived power changing the actual power and misunderstands energy as essentially something static rather than a change or transfer. But i'm open to an alternative argument

Hooe #fundie religionethics.co.uk

No, God created freewill. God created perfection, but as we all know perfection automatically requires the opposite to come into being for the idea to make any sense, and without making humans as robots, that had to be an possible consequence of creation. Ironically, God even built means of mitigating the impact of evil into the whole system.

Hope #fundie religionethics.co.uk

'In answer to a challenge asking for a method to validate supernatural claims.'


Except that, in order to explain such a methodology, one has to use terminology and ideas that go beyond methodological naturalism, thus going outside the realm of the thinking of those for whom MN is the sole arbiter of truth - so that we come back to the same problem; some of us work on a different level of reality to others.

Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Going back to your view that "these churches should also resign from acting as legal registrars", I think that this is not necessary, the reason being that whatever one's orientation, sexual activity is not necessary for an individual's survival, and therefore it is not wrong to form a judgment on the morality of homosexual activity. Churches are therefore at liberty to refrain from marrying same-sex couples; it is right that they continue to act as legal registrars, however, because heterosexual marriage is the foundation of human survival as a whole.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Well. Maeght, the Holy Bible contradicts you. Almighty God makes it clear that in the first instance this planet was void...insignificant...it had born life previously but it had ceased to function and darkness was on the face of the watery deep.

After many acts of nation building...which incidentally...he built a nation that still exists today...he introduced righteousness via Jesus Christ...a stepping stone towards word peace and harmony for those who value righteousness. A package over 10,000 years in the making, so far, all the product of a people...not of this world. The evidence of people not of this world is all around us today...but you can dismiss it if you want and there advanced technology which is also apparent, with your worldly governments trying to imitate their skills.

Now...these people have warned us of an impending danger...a Judgement...because these universal people know how to withstand the impact that is looming and I'm sorry to have to tell you, it all hinges upon the teaching of one of their number...their God's son...who, incidentally is our savior and co-owner of the entire universe under the direct authority of his father...take it or leave it.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


The issue of 'whether a falling tree makes a sound if no one observes it'.....is not as obvious as it sounds. In a Virtual Reality situation for example, when we are in a virtual forest....does a falling tree make a sound when no one observes it'? Does the tree or forest even exist when no one observes it?

The answer is... no. There is no forest, no tree and no sound. Its all created in the mind by certain signals. Only when we observe it does the world come alive.

Similarly, if we take the idea of a simulated universe seriously, the entire world is just an appearance, an illusion (Maya) generated by our Consciousness. If we don't observe it, it does not exist.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Because you do not know the reason something exists does not deny the fact it does exist.
Unicorns are mythology because we have never seen them but the fact is that the knowledge of them, are a reason to believe they once existed even though we cannot prove it. Why you want to use the term mythology when it is a fact Christ existed I am unaware.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

If your rejection of theism involves attacking that theism then you are a counter theism...which is a theism in itself. To try and detach yourself from it is little dishonest.

You are saying I don't believe in God so no one else must...you have made yourselves gods...and worse than that...you are trawling through every avenue open to you toget your patronage from...building your on converts to the adherence of the thinking of your high priest...hmmm I can't see much difference whatever you callit...except that I,like millions before me find an awful lot of truth in the pain, suffering and teaching of Jesus Christ...not forgetting that he showed how you and I can achieve resurrection if we abandon false gods...like yours.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Repentance is all about realising that following the world's machinations leads to the opposite of what Jesus taught to us and promised us and so choosing righteousness instead.

There are many benefits to quietly and calmly, sincereley and respectfully taking in the accurate knowledge of Jesus...many of which I have already brought to your attention...that is the collective 'your'. But there are also benefits not so obvious.

Take gravity for example. By repentance we become more spiritually aware and by upbuilding our spiritual strength gravity which bears heavily upon us all becomes less of a dead weight. We can see just how much of a burden it can be when we see many people shuffling around the hypermarket with various combersome difficulties. Now Jesus walked on water so following him...accurately...is a sure fire way of reducing the burden of gravity and will make repentance well worthwhile.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Wanting to understand anything is a natural part of being human. It is a need like hunger or sex. As children we have great curiosity and need to ask and imitate and learn, which is the means of our survival. I am not questioning that. It can however become addictive...which is another matter.

My point here is different. Never mind soul, spirit, etc. That is a different discussion.

I am only saying that ....if all your Occam's razor and stuff lead to such conclusions as you seem to have arrived at (the self is an emergent property of the car)...then there is something dramatically wrong with the whole system of thinking and analysis.

From the car analogy it is very clear that humans are entirely responsible for the development of cars and also for the functioning of driver less cars. There is really no 'driverless' car. It is driven indirectly through sensors, GPS..whatever, that humans have created. The mechanism of control may be direct or indirect..which is not relevant here.

The point is that. Cars do have a real living thinking Self. It is the human being! Period! There cannot be any doubts or arguments about that.

In spite of this obvious factual situation, you manage to derive from this scenario something like a 'virtual self' and the 'self being the emergent property of the car' and so on and so forth. This raises many doubts about this kind of 'scientific thinking' and its roots in reality. It is a clear instance where 'science' misleads the thinker into perverse concepts that are obviously not real.

This is what I am talking about.

How much of such perverse thinking is prevalent in theories of evolution and other areas, is frightening to imagine.

Taking pot shots at religious concepts does not solve this problem btw.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I don't give a damn what Occam would approve of! You can't come up with idiotic explanations just to stay with Occam's razor or whatever...!

For heavens's sake....fellas! What the heck is the matter with you guys?! You guys are tying yourselves up in knots and building fences after fences around you with all your stuff......Occam's razor, logical fallacies, some other fallacy, whatever....! Lots of rubbish!

Reality doesn't restrict itself to your boundaries.

You don't want to accept spirit and after-life etc. because there isn't sufficient empirical evidence and because you are scornful of anything associated with religion....that is fine. I have no problem with that. But coming up with ridiculous explanations and offering Occam's razor or whatever, as a reason is utter nonsense.

Face reality guys....with all its mysteries and possibilities. Live life and experience it! We don't know... is just fine! We don't need to know everything.

Sheesh!!

Emergence - The Musical #fundie religionethics.co.uk

There are commonalities in monotheism so the issue there is in interpretation of the unitary God as it is in the interpretation of the unitary self. Pixies or the man in the moon do not fall into monotheism unless you are prepared to give them divine properties to make them equivalent to the unitary God but I think that has always defeated your intent when you have used it before.

I have no beef with methodological naturalism until you change it into philosophical naturalism. In other words your opening paragraph contains no actual argument against God.

There is no way I can make fabricate seriousness in respect of the possibility of the divine or our need for reconciliation thereof but that is an existential matter between you and God and not me because the contest between your ego and it's conception of Vlad is always going to be a foregone conclusion I would have thought.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


You just keep saying the same thing ippy. You refuse to read a book full of faith, hope and charity and disregard it for the sake of your own argument...because you say it cannot be scientifically proven to be correct...but you are so wrong...and I keep telling you so because others  might be able to grasp that point better than you.

The universe exists and is full of electric energy. Science seeks to unify all that energy but can't...but the Holy Bible leaps thousands of years ahead of us and gives us all the key points to enable that understanding...and it all hinges upon Jesus Christ.

Jesus taught us how to harness that same force...for health, repair and resurrection.

Millions have put it to the test and found great value in its teaching.

Tyrants have had to bring that teaching under their own banner to secure the  support of those who believe.

Scientists have followed strict practices and codes under the banner of Jesus Christ in colleges supported by finances provided by believers.

The Jews and the Catholics have global empires built from Biblical knowledge.

Now it seems that the Earth is shaking, wobbling, erupting, flooding and wildly changing in climate and magnetic stability which would make even the most skeptic wonder about what is written in Revelation.

And me...who says that the evidence of ufos and the length and depth in space and time of all existence makes Almighty God a reality and, according to the Holy Bible, the highest authority over all members of that universal community.

Jesus Christ visited this planet and made righteousness a necessity for all those who might want to survive the final tribulation but if you aren't bothered enough to prepare in accordance with our savior...tough.

I feel duty bound to tell you these things because I know that there will be an insignificant replica of you left over after the last trumpet and the Bible description of what will happen to it isn't very nice...so...really...I'm trying to save you from yourself...but...resistance to salvation means that you wouldn't fit in anyway.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

There is plenty of evidence for an after-life. Many people just don't want to see it...that is all. Instead of seeing the phenomena for what it is...you want the phenomena to present itself to you in a manner that you think is acceptable. That is not going to happen.

The more the scientific community ignores such evidence, the more it is likely to be ignored by the people in the years to come. Many people today are educated and confident enough to know how far science can go and where it cannot. The word of the scientific community will no longer be 'God's' word, that it hitherto was.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


It's true Hope that we are all flawed...but some have asked for repentance and many more, in the future will as well, but these aren't tagged by the number 666. This is those working from a philosophy I call image-craft. Jimmy Savile sums it up best...whilst pretending to be a caring, kind, and useful member of the world he was secretly dismantling all the good work of many others and the blaise attitude of those who should have spotted it let it go. Play this out around the world, and, believe me, there are many 666'ers.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Yes.....'At one time people would have found the idea of a spherical Earth completely illogical.'......that's it...Period! Now...don't immediately say 'it is not illogical' as though logic is something Absolute out there that decides all reality. Nothing of that sort.

Logic is not absolute. It is relative and connected to our current understanding.

Parallel Universes today seem perfectly logical merely because of scientific authority. We just nod along and get used to certain concepts.

Similarly, tomorrow we could accept and get used to the idea of an After-Life or Spiritual Worlds or Intelligent Creation and so on....and that would be perfectly logical. And this point is what you don't seem willing to grasp.

Emergence - the Musical #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Yes, I think you are right to challenge infinite chains.

In Aristotelian thought power is derived in two ways. Causes in sequential time which some argue can go on infinitely (not so satisfying theory IMHO) and hierarchically i.e. at anyone time where something is dependent at that time which is dependent on something else.

Because we are talking in the second case about what can be observed we can follow the chain down to dependence on quarks and energy. Which because they are changeable (have potential) we have to ask what there power is derived from.

This chain has to be of derived power (that is observed) but you cannot have derived power without actual power...something in the hierarchy must be sustaining the universe...or something like that.

In other words a hierarchical chain is logically not infinite since it must have two ends. If someone proposes there is something higher than us rather than that which is actually propping us up....... that is virtually a religious proposition.

The actual power propping us up from the bottom has the attributes of the classic western definition of God.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Don't get too excited Floo...there is a difference between the females who accept Biblical truth and those that don't...likewise the male.

The wife should be subjective to the husband...the husband subjective to Jesus and Jesus subjective to Almighty God. So maybe Paul wasn't so far out...It's outside the faith where this doesn't work so well because domination and bullying seems to be the norm.

This is why, outside Biblical truth there is so much turmoil...because tearing at each others emotional strength to claim dominance leads to a spiritual vacuum...still...who cares about the kids...other than Jesus Christ, that is.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Only by implication Anchorman. But that doesn't mean it isn't there.

Rev 13:18.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding calculate the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Isaiah 66:6
A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

Isaiah...a man...clearly makes a Judgmental statement about those who are covered by that number in Revelation and my point stands.

The fact that all those represented by that number are each living-cells in the make-up of that beast who will come alive and frighten all those unprepared for the last days and chase them around wildly, is yet to be seen, but it is the only behaviour they are capable of and will not have any other method of rule so it is up to the more discerning to prepare for such events...by taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Well Seb...we have already said that 666 is a philosophy. It is held by those who lead the masses by hope and expectation whilst simply bathing in the emotional turmoil of their failure to deliver. You may think these are few but I can tell you they are many. Bullying is the name of the game. I have already given you enough information which tags wife beaters, baby bashers, and various other types of bullying...like what is in the news today about football coaches and those who follow the philosophy of Jimmy Savile...it's all about stealing the internal emotional strength of their victims and leaves a target emotionally traumatized for life.

Roll this out across the world and we get a feeling for the depth of the horrors that Almighty God is going to deal with via his number 666.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You have convinced yourselves that there is no God and refuse to entertain the idea that there is...The mistake you are all making...including Floo is in thinking that that God and Jesus are an age old myth not worth bothering about and refusing to see a very advanced Deity that is playing out a plan from which they wont deviate.

This is proven by science especially as the Drake Equation positively states there is a strong possibility that other life forms are alive in this universe...many of them living on planets in the Milky Way...and according to other eye-witnesses they have this planet under surveillance.

This possibility automatically means that their level of intelligence is far greater than ours and could see things totally different to us.

The plan appears to be to warn the population on this planet of an impending danger and telling us that there is a way of protecting ourselves...the same way Jesus did from an event that carried the same dangers.

One thing we can be certain of if we accept the science and eye-witness accounts is that these visitors have a leader and Jesus was full of the authority of this leader calling him Almighty God.

If you want to know more about that leader from Heaven you must read the reports left behind by them after they actively interacted with people on this planet...it's all in the Holy Bible...but the choice is yours.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


1. What is 'objectivity'. Is it just about more than one person at a time sensing or experiencing something? How many people should sense/experience the same thing to make it objective? If five people together see a ghost for example...is it objective evidence...or is it still nonsense? Or would we want some instrument to sense the ghost before we will accept it as real? If many people separately have similar experiences such as in NDE's...is that not objective evidence? Why is that dismissed as subjective?

We rely more on instruments to detect objective phenomena rather than rely on human senses.....because we feel human senses and imagination are unreliable. Ultimately everything is sensed only through the human mind. So...anything and everything can be just a subjective experience.

2. Real objectivity would be to see the world as just the String (given today's theories). It is the String that vibrates in 11 dimensions to transform itself into elementary particles which then become bigger particles..which then become atoms...which then bond to become molecules...which then form compounds ...and we then have the whole universe!

A true objective view would be to see the universe as just a transformation of the String. Every other view is just an illusion. What the String is and why it transforms into so many particles...is of course the fundamental question. And why and how are we...while being just products of the String ... none the less able to see the String itself 'objectively'?

3. There is a view among scientific circles considering Biocentrism, Parcipatory Anthropic Principle, Copenhagen Interpretation of QM, Quantum entanglement and non local influence etc..., that Consciousness is the foundation of the universe and that all objectivity is just an illusion. Like in a Virtual Reality world...everything is just a subjective experience and objectively there is no real universe out there at all!

Just some thoughts.

Vlad and his ilk #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The term microaggressions is a good word. I think it is a good explanatory for why a secular society less interested in morality than utility can get exercised over major and public ''sins'' but ignore less obvious, underlying, insipid and indeed personal faults.

Lying, petty prejudice, greed, dishonesty and abuse of power are becoming more acceptable and applauded
and we are left with few unforgiveables against which people can stand themselves against and look and feel like saints and people who don't need much moral introspection.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

It is more truthful and more honest and right as it gets. Your denial is basically just you being in denial.
It takes nothing away from the evidence  that shows there is no 'proof' regarding theories in science and there is no reasoning required as no evidence exists to support it anything but a theory.

You see truth works far better than unsubstantiated theories and people who argue there is evidence for a theory are using more faith than a Christian.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk


It is a well known fact that science requires more faith than believing in Jesus Christ.
But we both know that believing in either is a 'choice'.
I say that because if it was not a choice then all would believe or disbelieve.

However, the fact is in ourselves and of ourselves we cannot prove in our own understanding that either is truth.
With Christ it takes the personal commitment of trust and seeking Gods way to know if he is telling the truth and exists.
This we can all come to know personally if true and so truth.
But Science has no way to prove the theories hence they remain so.

You need to remember most of science takes a big leap of faith because no man can prove to himself the 'theories' are solid truths. But in Christ all things can be proved through God.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Solace is what we get every day through our prayers and rituals and faith. It is very important and without this most people will not be able to go through life at all. I agree.

However, as we advance spiritually we realize that the real truth exists within. Once we realize this and actually stabilize with this knowledge, most of our needs and wants disappear automatically. We start becoming free of animal needs and go with the flow. We will begin to see a force and a pattern in our lives that lies under the surface.

Once we recognize this pattern, we don't need any solace any more. The need for consolation disappears. Synchronicity will become common. We will know the way life is going and will just flow along.

This is what I mean by a 'solution to life'.

The Burden of Spoof #fundie religionethics.co.uk

1: What the naturalistic alternative is?
2: There is anything in it which specifically says Vlad likes this to be true.

1: Nature is either created (A supernatural event not penetrable by science) or
2: It popped up out of nothing ( a supernatural event not penetrable by science) or
3: Nature is eternal and has no cause ( a supernatural state not penetrable by science)

The burden of spoof #fundie religionethics.co.uk

OK. Supernatural is that which cannot possibly be proved or demonstrated by methodological naturalism.
Therefore nature is either eternal....or it popped out of an natural nothing. Both of these things are not demonstrable by methodological materialism therefore the supernatural has been demonstrated.....without God having been mentioned.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

My first encounter of speaking in tongues was when someone I knew was in the psychiatric ward of a hospital in Scotland.
They telephoned me on a regular basis for prayer and whilst there met a woman who was a believer and had been battling mental illness for years. She did not understand why having had no episodes which required hospitalisation for some years God would let her return. But having met the person I knew she knew why this time. The lady whilst talking to me whom I knew nothing about till that phone call asked could she pray for us. It was then she started praying in tongues and in that instant I knew all about her and what God wanted her to know. When she had finished I told her everything and she started to cry with relief.
Everything I had told her was completely correct and what she had been waiting for God to answer.
So both she and the person in hospital with her received what they needed.

I have never been aware of speaking in tongues whilst awake and I am not a person to fake anything or pretend.
I do not believe in pretending to make noises and calling it tongues.
However, one night I had been talking with God before I must have fell asleep (don't remember doing)about this very matter of speaking in tongues. I was before God and we were talking about what was on my heart and as I awoke I was speaking a strange language and God was calling me by a different name. A name I would have when I was with him. But as I awoke speaking in that strange tongue he told me I would not remember the name because it was for then and not for this life.

When I awoke the name was gone and the language I was speaking I could not do it.

I have had no problem with not speaking in tongues since. But I have had the experience of knowing the things on someone elses heart when they prayed in tongues for me. I had seen that and I had experienced the above.

Speaking in tongues is for Believers not for the World.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

What he really means is... I stopped responding to him originally. But he could not respond to me because he could not bring an argument forward to defend his own position. As for the that the Jewish faith existed prior to 25,000 - 23,000 BCE (the authenticated date of the Venus of Willendorf). All this is actually guess work there is absolutely NO proof for dating.
And the first man Adam was created by God and now they believe the world is 6,000 years old. THERE is absolutely NOTHING to suggest anything we have been told by scientist regarding historical finds is absolute on dates. THEY SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW.

But why should they not like they had books and printing presses going back through history.

Just look at the dates of the first books and the first calendars.... Seems someone needs to remember the atheists and pagans require more faith than Christians for what they believe.

I can't believe it's not Vlad #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Use of the word credible is unfortunate here Ippy because it's root Credo means belief.
Look. When ever Jesus is brought up Jesus is either a myth or an agglomeration of characters or a magician.
The gospels are always a work of fiction, or they were written after a supposed safe period of time to be taken seriously.....a period of time we can add not applied to any other histories. There is according to unbelievers no original idea or content, it does not add anything new which isn't already in religion, it is also berated for not being authentically jewish even though the Judaism in mind is post Christian rabbinic Judaism.
As well as that if we haven't covered most non believers Miracles never happen and when that is announced people who will happily bleat about the problem of induction remain mysteriously silent out of partiality for their atheist friends and if you can get one who hasn't bottled at the question of what would you do if you saw a resurrection they would probably say science will come up with a natural explanation.

Now yes all these amount cumulatively to a heavy duty bit of God Evading but they are you will note positive assertions but are never demonstrated beyond the assertion state and now there is a bit of a craze among he atheist colleagues to deny adherence to whichever point one wishes to argue!!!!!!

And then of course any philosophical approach is sneered at.

I can't believe it's not Vlad #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Yes, alienation is a psychological state but the effects of it can be seen on a global scale.

In terms of projection of human needs you seem to be specially pleading that a need for God or some view other than your reductionism. That unlike sex or a good meal a need for God is a special need that goes unmet and is somehow a special false need or a bad need. But hey I feel you maybe building up to a Darwinian finale.......You know the one about everything about getting your leg over.

I can't believe it's not Vlad #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Irrelevant since you are fallaciously linking scale with existence of.
People are alienated and perform actions around that alienation. This leads to the loss of species which is significant but more importantly real

Secondly God is portrayed once again in your piece as a psychological crutch for the needy.
That certainly is not the picture gleaned from the biographies of at least Christian and Jewish converts to God.

Your objection on this score is therefore blown somewhat and is itself an act of wilful ignorance.

I can't believe it's not Vlad #fundie religionethics.co.uk

First of all there is the sense of alienation abroad in the world. When Douglas Adams talked about puddles fitting holes in the ground he either misunderstood, was ignorant of or wanted to deliberately forget that religion is about dealing with alienation. Just as acquisitive materialism deals with spending one's way out of thinking about it...without actually dealing with it.

So a sense of alienation is part of the evidence.

I can't believe it's not Vlad #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I think the problem here is with the definition of positive claim. For example Donald Trump isn't in the room is equally as ''positive a declaration'' as Donald Trump is in the room''.

Atheism is never the default since God can always be assigned a universally creative role. Sagan knew it, the Deists knew it it is only the axe grinding atheist linguistic string orchestra, who made linguistic fiddling popular, who seemed to forget it. 

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I flew in a plane what is different between that space and the space higher up?

Where did Jesus go to when he was seen ascending into heaven?
If Space is above the clouds where is heaven?
You see there is a difference between Man and God the heavens above and heaven.

You met them but you cannot tell if they were really on a mission or hypnotised.
You have no built in lie detector and even the devil can appear as an angel of light.
I agree you felt appeased and reassured they were nice men telling you the truth but how did Satan manage to fool Adam and Eve, even after God had been so good to them?

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

We have no knowledge of how thought processes work, how they are perceived or where they originate from in scientific terms. If you are demanding a scientific explanation of what drives our thought processes you will not find one. The closest I can get to answering your question is to point to the quantum events occurring in your brain which have no discernible cause, as this could be the gateway for spiritual interaction, be it from your own soul, or the wilful temptation of Satan.

Indistinguishable from Vlad #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You almost undo a scientifically unverifiable ''privilege'' by suggesting a scientifically unverifiable ''bigger scheme of things''.

The question why something and not nothing of course takes all this in it's stride.

the claim that we are not special is just the reverse of thinking we are special. Again Shakespeare has it with his iteration of ''why something and not nothing''
''To be or not to be''

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The evidence is indisputeable. If you wiggle your big toe you fire many electric impulses through your body...that energy has to come from somewhere. Now, you can follow the chemical route which will lead to the atomic route, which will lead you to the solar pathway to find the original source for that energy...but, first Jesus Christ and now modern physics are saying that that energy is all around us all the time. A free energy which science wants to harness to make more useless things whilst Jesus, 2000 years ago taught us how to harness it for our own health and welfare....under the auspices of his father.

Clearly then, if you have a blockage against Jesus Christ you have a blockage against modern science because they are both saying the same thing from their own different perspectives. But Jexus got their first and seems to have a much wider depth of knowledge on the subject.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


The first thing we need to realise here is that Jesus Christ was not from this world. He was from another very advanced world...and so he was working from a very advanced world's knowledge base. Do you see how foolish you all are for not taking him seriously.

Prayer then is already an established method of communication on this world...Heaven..and obviously has scientific advantages...proven by Sigmund Freud...what more scientific answers do you need...unless you are just trying to muddy the waters.

NicholasMark #fundie religionethics.co.uk


dawkinism...

You know exactly what I mean bluehillside when I use it don't you??...many words come into common use this way so you will just have to accept it means exactly what it implies.

Just to remind you...it is Dicky Dawkin's view that Christianity should be put out of existence. He demands that science has made it obsolete, (my words), He has a better idea...sell as many books as possible...build up a faith surrounding his beliefs and to hell with the more gentle, kindlier, loving, considerate people that Jesus Christ's teaching encourages, (my words).

Now...we have a problem here...if the universe is indeed the product of universal, electric laws, the living-cell is also part of those laws and the many questions that have no answers in biology might just have solid reasoning if we consider those laws accurately. This will of course turn all science on its head because it is looking for nuclear particles when they should be looking for an invisible electric plasma...similar to the stuff defined in the Holy Bible.

Still, there is a lot of mileage in sifting, analyzing,and naming nuclear shrapnel...its just that it will all soon end when they realise they are looking in the wrong direction.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk


So easy for you to forget the advancement of science and the fact the real 'irony' is that SCIENTIST are the ones who claim they never went to the moon or landed on it. In this day and age killing off the scientist as they did the astronauts back then would make no difference because new witnesses would come along the type of witness who may have seen the moon walk but know scientifically how impossible in those days it really was.

It is basically about the witnesses... In Christ time there were witnesses but no witnesses against because after he rose there was no body in a grave or anywhere to disprove it. It even had Roman Soldiers guarding the tomb.
The witnesses say Jesus Christ rose from the dead and was seen. But no witnesses to disprove him rising from the dead; the Roman Soldiers and Governors, even the high priest would surely have sought such evidence but found none.

You cannot disprove the truth about the witnesses who saw Christ and witnessed what he did.
But scientist are the people who make the claim the moon landing and walking on the moon was impossible to do safely in the 60's. So if you believe that NASA is telling the truth how do you explain the deaths of those who could witness it or the scientist who tell us that is was impossible in the safety aspect?

Jesus Christ, his life and his rising from the dead is not in question it was witnessed in every part. But no one was eyewitness to the actual events of traveling through space and landing/walking on the moon. The scientist today say it is impossible.

So nothing hypocritcal. Both lot's of evidence are different and so both accounts not comparable.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


It didn't occur to me until I was out cutting the lawns...but this expanding universe on a bed of static universe is part of this whole science bluehillside and alluded to right towards the beginning of this thread...but I will remind you and all dissenters, and all those searching for solid proof in the faith, and even those who just accept Jesus Christ, by faith.

Before the high-speed expanding universe there must have been a static universe standing on the same space, but by power of eruption...previously described...all mass-less galaxy clouds, and there were many, were all sent hurtling outwards...from wherever they were prev iously standing, shock-waves...you see...sent out from a massive eruption of dynamic forces.

I wont repeat what has already been said but like a high-speed train, when someone opens the carriage door...there is a terrific imploding between the two separate environments. Now don't tell me this doesn't happen bluehillside because there are many dead bodies that can substantiate this fact. That disturbance is all that is required between to opposing states of universal existance which built all the stars and atoms, in the formation and structure we see today, because imploding forces can work on the macro scale as well as the micro scale.

If we believe in the Holy Bible we have a ready superabundant source of this dynamic energy to do it with.

Now...let me finish my lawns.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


I know it's not what you want to hear...but is still best answer on this Biblical mystery. It has points of evidence from experiences of a number of people alive today and is certainly within the capability of those who made Adam & Eve in their own image.

It needs to be said because many of the all powerful statements made by your omnipotent God are brought to universal accuracy when we build it into our understanding. I am of course talking about Joseph's linage being associated directly with Jesus Christ.

Best answer states rhat Joseph was taken from this planeet as an abductee by righteous forces and his genetic material extracted...cleaned up a bit, before being implanted in Mary via a similar route. This is why there were no arguments with the angels...both Joseph and Mary knew they were both dealing with very superior beings.

NicholasMark #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Now we have introduced cancerous groups and societies into the equation we can start answering serious questions...like...how could Jimmy Savile walk around various branches of our caring institutions for so long...or indeed...other people in similar situations...doing the things he was doing...it is because of this cancerous effect on society if we abandon upright righteous principles.

There is no need to labour the point too much...it's all so obvious. Jesus Christ taught us to cancel cancerous behaviour by first canceling it within ourselves and it is all extremely beneficial because the Holy Bible teaches us that it will put an end to wars, pain, suffering, ill health and eventually death...but it is down to whether we believe the author of that Holy book, which includes Jesus Christ and which tells us about the true, electric/spiritual nature, of the universe.

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But my calculations are spot on...they are constantly checked and rechecked...they have provided all we know about science today...but I have put those calculations into a new order...prompted by the Holy Bible....and I think you know what they are telling me and that is the same as I am telling you. That beneath all this visible stuff is an invisible material that drifted around an invisible dimension before it all erupted and created everything we now accept as reality.

It's best to simply accept that Almighty God is the owner of all this material and all this science because Jesus Christ is our only salvation...Now Satan avoids Jesus like the plague so I suggest he doesn't loiter anywhere near Jesus' accurate teaching though he fuels his Rolls Royce at the pumps of iniquity.

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