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Indistinguishable from Vlad #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You almost undo a scientifically unverifiable ''privilege'' by suggesting a scientifically unverifiable ''bigger scheme of things''.

The question why something and not nothing of course takes all this in it's stride.

the claim that we are not special is just the reverse of thinking we are special. Again Shakespeare has it with his iteration of ''why something and not nothing''
''To be or not to be''

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Any logic which leads to the conclusion that the content of your posts was pre determined by an inevitable chain of events which began with the big bang is clearly flawed. Believe in your soul which determines your free will and defines what you are!

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

(Poster discussing explanations of magic tricks videos they posted)


OK.....I know such things can be scary for hardened atheists and materialists .....and many would like to laugh loudly in the dark.

But fact is...no one has managed to explain these 'tricks'....except through rather mundane methods like a hole in the wall, strings, trapdoors, all the people are actors, camera tricks ....etc. Not a single so called 'explanation' available in youtube is meaningful.

Magic is still 'Magic'. You guys must admit you are stumped!

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

No one can detect gravity or what it comprises. But we know it exists because of the affect it has on material elements. Similarly with spiritual entities such as souls. We can't detect them directly, but we know they exist because they can impart conscious acts of will on an otherwise physically deterministic universe.

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I have simply claimed that the conscious will of my soul is responsible for the posts I make on this forum, because I can't envisage any other feasible explanation.

You claim that if my spiritual soul exists, whatever it does will be deterministic in the same way as physical brain activity. But if my free will actions are derived from my soul, you must at least admit that they will have a different origin (being spiritual) to anything produced from physical brain activity. So can I repeat my request for you to say what defines the ultimate source of my posts (and yours). This is not a distraction, but a fundamental issue concerning what drives the conscious free will of human beings.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Because according to evolution nothing/no other species but man has evolved.
Think about that. Our cognitive functions and skills are far advanced beyond that of animals...
We can do and think far more than any animals.
What makes us different to the millions of species of animals on the planet still living as they did when first created?

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

My logic boils down to the impossibility of conscious awareness arising from a chaotic material universe without God's intervention. I know you disagree with this conclusion, but there is no material definition for what comprises conscious awareness and how it can be generated from purely material entities.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Science calls it a big-bang but cannot justify how all the energy contained in the universe sprang from their singularity. I say, we must look beyond the big-bang. That there is a superabundant energy that has always been and always will be. It drifted around space...gathering into huge, dense galaxy bearing clouds, of light-year proportions. Before the big-bang there must have been a static universe...same space...same energy but no time what-so-ever...this all changed when neighbouring clouds drifted into each other...their extremely dense cores set upon claiming the centre position causing a massive collision which split the universe into two dimensions and from this all science sprung into life and the supporting evidence is contained within the Holy Bible.

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The problem is that you have not taken that very important first step in faith. Once you start on a journey in faith, and come to know God, you will see things from a different perspective and realise the failings of short sighted logic. And come to realise that God is ultimately responsible for whatever logic we perceive.

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I have already pointed out that intelligent design does exist as demonstrated by numerous man made designs. As the Christian bible says we are made in God's image, so it is feasible that we inherited this attribute of intelligent design from God.

And does it matter what method God used to produce a DNA molecule containing all the data and mechanisms needed to create and maintain a complete human being? The specific complexity of the end result far exceeds the Goo which would be produced by two billion years of totally random events acting on life's basic ingredients.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Absolutely. There is no problem with gay people having good relationships with people of the same sex whom they love, as long as they don’t engage in sexual acts. God created male and female and it was good. Homosexuality is one result of man’s rebellion against God. It is not good. Yes as you say we should be compassionate; the problem comes when you have a communion service, and the priest knows that a member coming for communion is a practicing homosexual. If someone is living in defiance of God’s moral law (eg having an affair), the priest may refuse them communion. This is why it is important to be clear about what the Bible says. The priest is actually doing a more loving thing by not giving them communion because if he did he would be encouraging them to continue to sin, so their soul would not be saved.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Intellectual understanding is never the answer to many things.  It has its usefulness but should not be over stated.

The objective of the Robin is to fly, not to understand its own flight mechanism. 

This is where life becomes intricate. We have evolved an ability to understand things intellectually. It is useful but perhaps we are over doing it. Intellectual understanding can become an obsessive need just like other needs.  

Spirituality and religions try to wean us away from too much of intellectualism.

Sassy #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

That is RUBBISH. Homophobia is an invented word. It is about personal choice and belief and to disagree without any dislike, hatred or even bias is not homophobia.
You could say atheist are christianphobics. Do you hate Christians because you disagree with their beliefs?
So STOP making excuses and making Christians to be different to others who disagree with someone elses beliefs.

Russian and other countries like Uganda are against homosexuality full stop.
Today people can move if the country they live in does not allow the the freedom to partake in homosexual acts.

What if you had to sleep with another man to prove you were not homophobic?>
You see it isn't natural to some they have no sexual feelings or emotional feelings towards the same sex as they do the opposite sex. Does that make them homophobic? You will support homosexiality as long as you are not made to participate.
The same for many people but why try and make someone who does not feel it is natural say it is.
Because basically there is a difference between accepting homosexcuality for others and accepting it to be right for yourself.

I am sick of the argument and finger pointing when people are seen as homophobic to the limitation of what they accept.
You do not accept it is right for you. You would hate to be forced or co-hersed into doing homosexual sex.
Do not confuse natural rejection of choice to be homosexual and feel it right with those who are just blatant bigots and would harm someone who is homosexual. Do not include all Christian groups in such outright and deliberate bias.

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk


For God not to exist, we need to assume -
1. That the universe came into being on its own without divine help
2. That the initial conditions concerning the incredibly fine tuned balance between the rate of expansion of the universe an the force of Gravity (the cosmological constant) which allowed the formation of stars and galaxies was not intentional.
3. That the first living cell came into being through the actions of random, unguided, purposeless events.
4. That a sufficient quantity and quality of beneficial mutations can be generated from random events to drive the process of evolution.
5. That the detrimental effects of harmful mutations could not wipe out life entirely.
6. That every one of the billions of discrete mutations needed to form life as we know it was able to provide sufficient survival advantage in its own right to facilitate natural selection.
7. That molecular activity alone can generate self awareness.
8. That every event needed to write this post was an inevitable consequence of previous events, because we must assume that there can be no such thing as free will.

And we must presume that all these assumptions are true because God does not exist.

DaveM #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Reminds me of the Prof of Statistics several years ago who took eight prophecies relating to the life of Jesus. All were from OT writings where there is general agreement that they dated back at least 400 years before Christ. He then gave his senior class an exercise to calculate the probability of all eight being fulfilled in one person. They came up with a figure of 1:10^17. So perhaps another seven prophecies from you would be in order.

The results were published in a respected journal. So clearly his methodology was considered acceptable.

There were of course over 30 prophecies fulfilled in the last week of Christ's life alone.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Hasn't anyone ever told you that by sin the worst possible genetic fault...death...came into the world and that all genetic faults spring from it. That is how we can be certain that following Jesus Christ's righteous science we can pay back for (repair) our sins.

Time to start listening to the science that everything is a manifestation of the same scientific cause...God's fountain of living waters---or if you prefer...God's 'dynamic energy'. A property that stares us in the face every day by virtue of our very own star.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You could be right...but time-travel isn't so very difficult. You see...if we take our lead from Almighty God we know that in the static dimension a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. So there we have it...if we want to slip around time and space all we have to do is become stationary whilst the Milky Way hurtles away from us at the speed of the expanding universe...and, it seems, many observers have witnessed this principle in action.

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I read once of someone claiming that photons from the sun could be responsible for many of the mutations in DNA which are needed to drive the process of evolution. If this is correct, then I must assume that God can aim these photons with a precision beyond our understanding.

Sassy #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

The OT was the covenant with the Jews not Christians.
It was for people in a different country at a different time. And no matter what you call this thread you cannot use it to poke at subjects that are nothing to do with the Lords Prayer.

There is no mind set to condemn or defend. That was that covenant. But today for Christians they cannot be homosexual in practice because the body is to be used for Gods Glory not mans lusts or to sin in any way.
Christ is for Christians and homosexuality is for homosexuals.  Christians are not allowed to take part in any sexual behaviour considered sin. They cannot sleep with prostitutes and they have to remain in unity with God.

So not really anything to do with Christianity is it?

The Great Vladini #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You are discounting linguistic imperialism. Which is naïve (because of Krauss IMHO) and a little hypocritical vis the conflict definition of marriage. Where a new definition seeks destruction of an old definition.

Dawkins, Krauss and Dennett to me seek to impose their definitions and destroy all other ideas and definition.IMHO. Memetics is a case in point since it is an exercise in the subduction of other sociological ideas in the interest of the New Atheist portfolio.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

So you have, I am sorry to hear about your experience. I have had an experience with a homosexual that was probably as bad. This guy befriended me at a church when I was new to the area. Not knowing his sexuality I thought him very pleasant, and was intrigued that someone could be so friendly. Well, eventually we discussed relationships, and he told me about a previous one he had had, and that it was with a man. My approach as a Christian was to stay friends with him but make it clear that I believed that was wrong. His approach was to get me in a headlock and force me to say it is not wrong.
Homosexuals are not harmless, they are mentally ill and can be dangerous, just like pedophiles. Read the account of Sodom and Gomorrah for more evidence.
Regarding their rehabilitation. If I had continued to live near to this person I hope I would have forgiven him and remained friends. As it was I moved away and didn't want to stay in contact. However, I know a chap who has had homosexual attraction but is a Christian and has coped with it while remaining celibate. This is due to support from his church. I do not know any pedophiles, but have read an article online written by one, who claims he is also celibate and never molests children. I will try and find a link. But people here who claim all pedophiles do not want to be cured are clearly wrong; neither do they know the power of prayer.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Well bluehillside...you don't deny that the Holy Bible exists do you?

So point one is that it does exist and it is filled with wonderful messages, with wonderful promises to those who can gently see through all the brain washing and misinformation of those who choose not to believe in it. It's all there...in that sacred writing plus many other wonderful claims.

Among those claims is the one where God says...through Isaiah, that all the stars are made from a wonderful dynamic energy or God's Mighty Power...now, 4000 years later, we find that scientists are saying everything is energy and it is blatantly obvious that all the stars are electric furnaces performing electrical manoeuvres that are yet not fully understood.

I can help...but I will do it in my own time...or rather, as I feel inspired to tell you.

Science says that all the fundamental forces in the universe must unify into one set of reasoning...well there it is, in black and white...Almighty God is the pivot point from where all this complex stuff has unification...but Jesus Christ showed us more than just science...he taught the mechanics behind resurrection and I am afraid you will have to humble yourself a little to come even close. So here are 3 very good reasons why you should believe in Jesus Christ and Almighty God...the 4th is Wormwood.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

It is true that the prohibition of same sex marriage would be inequality, if we assume that homosexuals who say they would never be attracted to someone of the opposite sex, know themselves fully and are correct (some do experience a change whereby this can happen).
However, even if it is inequality, and I peronally think we shouldn't assume they can never love someone if the opposite sex, there are people who for legal reasons have to accept inequality of marriage. So the question is, why should we propose that homosexuals be prohibited from marrying someone of the same sex - is there good reason to deny this to them as we would do with an already married person, for example?
An already married person would be acting unjustly towards his or her spouse and children if they married another person, unless their spouse had been unfaithful.
I can only speak from personal experience. Others may have had a similar experience, and so may understand what my point is.
I once fell in love with someone who I found out was a lesbian. Basically, there was a sense of injustice that she would love a female rather than me. I felt that I had been wronged. The feeling was different from times when a girl I had been attracted to had loved another guy. In thise instances, the feeling was disappointment but not that I had been wronged.
If you asked me to articulate why I felt it was an injustice, I would have to work through the reason. But because of that experience, I believe that it is not right to allow people to marry someone of the same sex.
Maybe this is why God says that homosexual relationships should be avoided. He made marriage for opposite sex couples - I dont agree that there is any room for interpretation of the Bible otherwise

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Well, if you knew anything about Jesus, you would know what you do leaves no possibility for anyone to be proud of you. Pride has no part in Christianity. But what would you a teenager know about Christianity. You just had your BACKSIDE spanked and your face is as red as you bum.

Emergence - The Musical #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The range of alternatives for how the universe either came about or eternally is was given. None are susceptible to scientific investigation and are therefore supernatural.

That seems to cover everything. Care to disagree without getting into the circularity of scientism?

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Atheists and Christians:

If a new science is correct it should be able to go to places that current science can’t—and explain phenomenon previously inexplicable. That is what I will touch on now.

I have chosen four topics of mystery, which, if looked at down the microscope of my science, cease to be so mysterious. They are all elements of the same mystery and are stepping stones, one to the other—and ultimately, stepping stones to evolution, and, to Almighty God.

These are—Poltergeist; Time Warps; The Bermuda Triangle; UFOs.

Whenever these mysteries are reported they are always linked to strange, electrical aberrations. There is a reason for this—as we will see.

Gravity is the stuff that holds things together—but its strength isn’t fixed. That strength can fluctuate.

Wherever these aberrations are found, gravity is being disturbed, and another set of rules come into play. You see, unbeknownst to us, we are all traveling at the speed of the expanding universe—which is pretty fast—and any break, or reduction in the gravitational strength around us, can send us into another dimension, a static dimension, divorced from the speed of the expanding universe and, the conflicts this engages, gives off these amazing effects people sometimes witness.

Further proof we are all living in a strange, electrical universe.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Now we have established that mass is restructured energy and is prone to some very predictable, calculable, behaviour patterns, we can look away from the singularity that science says installed it all inside every single atom, in such a wonderful and graceful way, and, to find true answers, we must consult the Holy Bible...God's superabundant, invisible, indestructible, dynamic energy, that structured these atoms in such a divine way that they obey the precise laws of chemistry, electricity, physics, and righteousness...and it all revolves around the higgs-field, Stranger.

The higgs-field is a semi-portal into the primary dimension of the universe...As tiny as it is it holds all the energy within an atom together. The slightest hint of such a hole created within the swirling and crashing internal forces of a star is sufficient to suck-in energy from all directions in measured amounts because in a single gush, in less than a nanosecond, the hole that holds them becomes stable and excess energy is swept away causing the higgs-hole to pulse and suck in more energy until the higgs is captured and retained in the atom it just formed, for our future electric experiments. The higgs is kinda sprung-loaded in its stability but interference with that stability exposes the force of the higgs creating magnetism, chemistry, the speed of light, and ohms law...all dependant upon how we are looking at the problem.

So, in all our sciences there is a higgs story and the most compelling of these is how gravity, higgs, magnetism, electricity, living-cells, and righteousness, all work together, hand in hand with each other.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Calculations don't have to be mathematical. They just have to be logical and work over and over again.

Here is one of my calculations...That all the mechanics of the universe are a powerful reaction between the conflicts of two, separate, dimensional forces. This includes gravity, the Higgs, electromagnetic force and life itself. Now, you can show your disregard for the owner of these forces as much as you want but it will not snatch away that ownership and it will not bring you the wonderful fruits they offer...which includes resurrection.

Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Sorry - what I mean is: strictly speaking nothing should exist, because matter does not create itself. Something outside the laws of nature must have been operating in order for matter to come into existence. So if you accept that you exist, you should also accept that something exists outside the laws of nature, and possibly, therefore, that those laws can be interrupted, as in the case of miracles.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Unfortunately, Rhi, the Bible does say that people who practise homosexuality are not in God's kingdom. This is stated in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10. So that answers Sassy's point, and means that Christians need to abstain from this as they would abstain from adultery - if they want to be living for God. The passage in acts where the apostles decided which aspects of the Mosaic law needed to be kept by Gentile believers, is to do with those things that God prohibited in Leviticus 17 and 18 which applied to Israelites and non Israelites living with them. The connection should be clear.
But in answer to your second point: yes, people desire sex and that desire is essential to continuing the human race. But there are obvious limits beyomd which the sexual instinct needs to be restrained, and one of those is with homosexual urges. There is a reflex in men which deals with excess build up of sperm. Therefore there is no biological requirement for a man to have sex with another person. I don't know if the equivalent happens with women, and the OT mentions nocturnal emissions as being normal and not sinful. I think the area I need to think through more is how homosexual relationships cause harm. I was friends with a gay bloke and a lesbian at one time, and I was aware that I was personally affected by their homosexuality, because I fancied the lesbian and the bloke fancied me... A right muddle!

NicholasMarks #conspiracy religionethics.co.uk

The Living-Cell

From the perspective of an All Electric Universe we can relook at all science and explore new avenues of thought that might lead to some exciting discoveries. That is what I propose doing here, using the living-cell as a model to guide us into a deeper understanding about the All-Electric Universe.

The living cell follows a number of patterns of behaviour. It can replicate itself—It can perform chemical tasks. It embraces atoms like long lost cousins. It is superabundant, being that trillions upon trillions of them are functioning in their many tasks at any one moment in time. They can go wrong—get stuck, in a circular pattern, which goes wild and uncontrollable, replicating in a fury, whilst not being controlled by any useful genetic patterning —and it can carry genetic information from one generation to the next—a tall order for one so small.

They each have science foxed, but not if we introduce an all-electric universe that obeys certain rules, and harnessing those rules for our own benefit—a must, for any who want to improve their health.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


What is God’s Evolution??

When we have placed Almighty God on the highest pinnacle over all the spiritual/electric laws behind Creation and shown that Jesus Christ had a full understanding of his father’s spiritual/electric laws we can take a deeper look at these electric laws to answer questions that we can’t seem to get answers to very easily—questions such as—What is evolution??

Evolution appears to have exploded in the early days after this planet became suitable for life and then it tailed off—Why??

It seems to have moulded and fashioned all species around the environment that became its home—Why??

It branched into male and female—Why??

Except for the human race, which prefers stodge and stale food, the creatures of evolution survive by eating fresh, hewly deceased, living cells, which they hunt and track and have developed specialised senses to enable capture—Why??

Well—there is only one set of answers that explain it as it is presented to us—and that is what I want to discuss here because genetic repair is the direct opposite of genetic damage and Jesus Christ knew all about this without any doubt. A key principle being that reaching out for various needs alters the genetic code reinforced by the simple fact that reaching out for Jesus Christ alters it to.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Your refusal to accept that we are living in an electric/spiritual universe where all the laws of physics have at their root electric/spiritual laws means you will have difficulty with anything I say. The fact that any religion exists at all is testimony that people suspect they have an electric/spiritual nature and try to express it in many different ways...but...the laws of physics that unify all the electric spiritual fundamental laws leads us to just one conclusion...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is the accurate teaching.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

This is in line with the thread topic, because I am thinking in the context of Christian families who care about the people in society and are willing to take risks in order to help them. As an example, a few male friends who shared a house together took in someone who was an alcoholic. They let him live in their house and encouraged him for some time and he gradually got back into work and living a normal life. If someone can come off alcohol or drugs, then surely a person with homosexual or pedophile-type tendencies can be turned around if they express a desire to do so.
There was something on the news recently about the Spanish prison system. They have much better facilities for rehabilitation, and a much lower proportion of those released re-offend than in Britain.
I guess what I want to get across is that when a person loses something they think of as part of them, for example the freedom to express the desire to molest children (it being illegal), they need something to fill that hole. It can be a hobby or a friendship, something to take away the urges. Sometimes they will surface again but over time an offender can learn how to deal with unwanted desires and live a healthy lifestyle.
In churches where there is real conviction that homosexuality is against God's will, you will find individuals with the gift of helping people struggling in that area; they know how to support them, pray for them and help them change their lifestyle. A lot of it is about not being judgmental when they sometimes fall back into it, recognizing that change doesn't happen overnight.
You said, "How can any of that compare to homosexual relationships between consenting adults?  It is rather an insulting comparison in my opinion."
It depends on what you read. I have found literature which tells a different story about homosexual lifestyles from what one normally hears. You just have to read Shaker's post above to see that he is unwilling to see anything negative about them, or admit that they cause harm. Personally, one look at the biological evidence makes it quite clear that homosexual sex is nothing other than destructive.
We will see eventually whether or not the West's acceptance of homosexuality makes it stronger. It has been interesting to see how the USA and NATO were powerless to do anything about Russia's recent involvement in Syria.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

NicholasMarks #fundie #magick religionethics.co.uk

Remember that the field of energy that will become the star already exists and the speed of the expanding universe which fires up all scientific data has already been created. This whole body of star energy is locked upon a black-hole that brought this dense virgin star material into a tight gravitational body. All we need is the swirling, crashing forces, within that star's density, to penetrate down into the static dimension, and in the blink of any eye an atom is born...manifest this a trillion, trillion, times, and I reckon a fully functioning star could form in an instant and in that same instant, all knowledge within the universe gained its scientific roots which all centre upon Almighty God, just as Jesus Christ taught us...and the two part-atom components that gave birth to the living-cell, having derived from a similar birth pattern, is party to all of this.

Sriram #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Hi everyone,

1. First of all....I know people usually tend to take extreme emotional stands rather than a balanced stand. So..the first and immediate argument seems to be to accuse a person of bigotry and hatred of homosexuals. That is wrong. I have no hatred of homosexuals and do not believe that they are sinners or whatever. I believe in letting them live their lives.

2. The comparison of homosexuality with left handedness is moronic at best. Is left handedness abnormal...yes... of course it is! But it is of no consequence and no one gives a damn if someone writes with his left hand instead of the right.

Similarly,is homosexuality abnormal...yes..of course it is! Problem is that it also has serious consequences. Ever heard of survival instinct, procreation instinct and survival of the species?! ::)

If more and more people become left handed nothing will happen. But if more and more people become homosexuals...the human race will be eliminated. So..would the lot of you please stop making such inane comparisons! Thanks!

So...now you know why homosexuality is abnormal. It goes against basic survival and propagation of the species. Should I repeat that?!

3. This is where the research to find reasons for homosexuality becomes relevant. Nobody does any research to find out why a person is heterosexual, by the way!! That is normal and that's the way nature has made us evolve.

If research establishes (as it seems to be doing) that epigenetics is the reason for homosexuality and they do find some treatment...it should be welcomed.....and those who choose to get the treatment should be freely allowed to.

Why the lot of you are hollering on about parents abusing their children is really beyond me!! Shocking! Propagation of the species is a fundamental instinct and parents have a right to expect that their children will procreate and take good care of the offspring.

4. Why all this is such an emotional issue is also beyond me. You people here claim to be very scientific minded (though most of you hardly know any real science, let me add).... but nothing of it is seen here. Everyone is going on and on about it as though it is a battle for dominance. LOL!

Its like some brainwashed or programmed response from most people. Almost the same words, the same examples, the same arguments, the same anger, the same accusations. Like some cult members! Some psychologists really need to do some research on this strange phenomenon.....seriously!

5. I also think perhaps atheism and homosexuality are somehow linked. I know religious people could also be homosexuals and atheists could also be heterosexuals... but someone really needs to check the connection. Maybe its the same genes/epigenes that are responsible for both.

Or maybe given the rigid Christian theology...homosexuals prefer to become atheists. That is also possible.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Yes I was thinking out loud. Perhaps not with the view to an eventual marriage, then. Except in cases where the child is sexually mature but not old enough by law to marry.

In the case I suggested, it wouldn't be with a view to future marriage, then, and the child wouldn't be told about the pedophile's condition. Forming a friendship with the child but without any physical contact might be therapeutic for the pedophile, in that it would help him learn how to relate to children in the right way. You would have to have the parents' involvement of course. I'm not sure how else you could treat a pedophile for pedophilia.

The only other option would be for them to avoid all contact with children, which would not be achieving as much as if they found they could eventually relate to children socially without needing to go further.

Relating this to homosexuality, it is clear to me that for Christians homosexual practices are forbidden. So I am interested in ways that could help homosexuals to change.

The issue is of course, does it harm anyone. Aside from the obvious harm caused by sodomy, there is the psychological harm to both involved. There is loss of masculinity (in men who treat another man as if female, or behave effeminately) or loss of femininity (in women). I think this is swept under the carpet by people who refer to them as "harmless".

NicholasMarks #crackpot religionethics.co.uk

I have discovered a property that you have all stumbled past and ignored but which is proving to be the most important ingredient in our daily lives deserves scientific merit. Just by noticing it when every other scientist has walked past it gives me scientific credentials but to put it to work...soothing and calming it within many hosts is very scientific indeed, then to unify the fundermental forces of nature by following stepping-stone and proven scientific data, gives me great scientific credibility...but, of course, it is early days yet...and there is much work to be done.


Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

(in reply to a post mentioning the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. https://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomenon/)

My own experience of this:
One morning I read this article extract which had been published in an old magazine:

Turks expanded their empire westward on land, and asserted their naval power in the Mediterranean. In 1565 they attacked Malta, envisioning an eventual invasion of Rome. Though repelled at Malta, the Turks captured Cyprus in the fall of 1570.

The next year, three Catholic powers on the continent – Genoa, Spain, and the Papal States - formed an alliance called the Holy League, to defend their Christian civilization against Turkish invasion. Its fleets sailed to confront the Turks near the west coast of Greece on October 7, 1571.

Crew members on more than 200 ships prayed the Rosary in preparation for the battle - as did Christians throughout Europe, encouraged by the Pope to gather in their churches to invoke the Virgin Mary against the daunting Turkish forces.

Some accounts say that Pope Pius V was granted a miraculous vision of the Holy League's stunning victory. Without a doubt, the Pope understood the significance of the day's events, when he was eventually informed that all but 13 of the nearly 300 Turkish ships had been captured or sunk. He was moved to institute the feast now celebrated universally as Our Lady of the Rosary.

“Turkish victory at Lepanto would have been a catastrophe of the first magnitude for Christendom,” wrote military historian John F. Guilmartin, Jr., “and Europe would have followed a historical trajectory strikingly different from that which obtained.”

I had never heard of the battle of Lepanto before, and that same day I attended Mass where the priest gave a sermon about the battle of Lepanto and the power of the Holy Rosary. And yes, I do believe that this was a divine reminder to me that I should pray more often, because we all underestimate the power of prayer.

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Interesting reflection from today's Lenten reading:

One of the key visuals in the story of the Transfiguration is the divine light that radiates from Jesus. Matthew says, “His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.” Luke reports, “His clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning.” And Mark says, “His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them.”

This light seems to signal the beauty and radiance of a world beyond this one, a world rarely seen, and only occasionally glimpsed, amidst the griminess and ordinariness of this world.

Is this beautiful and radiant world ever seen today? Let me share a few stories with you. When I was traveling recently, I met a man who, as a young man, encountered St. Padre Pio, the famous stigmatist. He was privileged to serve his Mass. During the elevation of the host, after the consecration, this man noticed something remarkable: there was a glow around the holy man’s hands. Years later when he heard reports of “auras” he said to himself, “That’s what I saw that day.”

Malcolm Muggeridge, the English journalist and convert to Catholicism, was filming Mother Teresa for a documentary. One day, the electricity was out, and he bemoaned the fact that he had to film her without lights, convinced that the day would be lost. But when the film was developed, he noticed that the scenes were beautifully lit, and it appeared as though the light was coming from her.

And I know this might be a bit of a stretch, but there is scientific speculation that the marks on the shroud of Turin, the holy icon thought by many to be the burial shroud of Christ, were caused by a burst of radiant energy—light energy.

From the time of the earliest disciples, the holy followers of Jesus were pictured with halos above their heads. What is a halo if it is not the divine light breaking into our world today?

NicholasMark #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Moving on with the science behind Jesus Christ’ electric/spiritual universe—we should now know that in the beginning, represented here by the righteous ‘word’ of Almighty God—we now have the entire universe responding to some powerful shock-waves created by the very first radio signals, amplifying outwards, the product of the collision force of two, dense cores, themselves the centres of two dynamic clouds of indestructible dynamic energy, of which there were already trillions that had been drifting around the great void of space for all eternity.

The consequences of this, was, that all of these mass-less clouds were hurtling outward at the speed of the expanding universe and all spinning up into terrible hurricane storms. Some clouds crashed into other clouds creating a galaxy with a slightly different footprint but the norm would lead to spiral-galaxies with a massive black-hole at their centre—representing the surviving remnant of the power-house that created all the stars that were to be processed by it.

Something very strange was taking place because lying on top of that static pre-big-bang dimension of the universe was now a high-speed dimension and laws that had never existed previously were about to be born.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Continuing with my theme that science supports the teaching of Jesus Christ just as Jesus supports his God and that they all respond to righteousness, which is the science extracted from the Holy Bible, we can embark on a trip to modern sciences latest laboratory—The Hadron Collider.

Here they smash nuclear particles together and measure what happens—what they are finding is that atomic particles split into many parts—shrapnel—and they measure the electric traces this shrapnel leaves behind before they annihilate themselves—but what no one has realised is that without anything holding them together, these particles are returning to their natural state—An invisible, undetectable state, that is the original, universal, dynamic state, that existed in superabundance in Almighty God’s laboratory—the universe—before the Great, Universal, Hadron Collider sent it all in to wild, hurricane storm forces that created stars and atoms, galaxies and life, according to very special laws that is still outside scientific reach but which has been carefully structured by the highest authority in the universe for our benefit—that is if everlasting life, resurrection, repair, peace, happiness, harmony and good-will is your thing—if not, then I’m afraid, you need to read Revelation again because it’s all in there.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I will help you horsethorn because I am trained to get a point across to an intransigent mind. The scientific evidence is overwhelming—something is happening which defies normal scientific logic but burying our head is no longer an option. There is too much horror and terror in the world to ignore the fact that a higher authority has us in its sights—and there are many around the world whose first words will be—’Thank God.’

Ufos are a fact of life—take it or leave it. They work by doing what Bruce Gernon did only with a little more scientific input. They become divorced from the gravity that imprisons us and become universal wonderers via the 'static zone' alluded to in the opening post and thereby see the MilkyWay, in its entirety, zooming past them at the speed of the expanding universe and nowhere is beyond their reach.

The only authority that we know of that yields this sort of power is Almighty God and his manual, on good behaviour, delivered to us by Jesus Christ, will also deliver our own individual accreditation into his wonderful new system of things.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Everything I say is built on top of modern science so that every science beneath it is supported by it, but it also exposes the fact that the Holy Bible is brought to us from the same route as this unifying science which tells us how the universe came into existence, how atoms and atomic forces were born, how gravity works and how electromagnetism is the kicking force that is exposed when we jiggle around with these dimensional forces that hold the atomic particles together..i.e. the Higgs (imploding force) bosun.

So—via the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels we are guided into this science via the most important aspect that it offers us. The emotional state of the human being—What drives it and how it can work without injury and how it can recover from injury to such an extent that everlasting life becomes possible—all achievable by the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

One thing that this study exposes and which requires more urgent investigation is the impact that the Earth’s gravity has upon us. Whilst we accept that it is a global constant that we just have to live with, it should be obvious now that there is a point of variation between individuals. If we are fit and healthy we support it far better than if we are old and troubled—it can become an oppressive force and seriously interferes with our health.

Scientists beware—you should have picked this up long ago.

So—don’t you think it is rather foolish to ignore it in our daily lives?

When Jesus walked on water he was telling us that he knew all there is to know about the laws of gravity—it is another electric force that requires skilled and viable counter-laws to offset its full load and I know just where to find them...it's in the Gospels.