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(WOW, for once, it's not transphobia, just a shit load of old-fashioned, general sexism (and some racism and hypocrisy of course))

(solanas2016)
It's just men. It's not "men like this". Deference has gotten us nowhere. Men.

(solanas2016)
sorry not sorry, but just as i refuse to waste my time "validating" the bespoke misogynist "identities" of mtts, i refuse to waste my time "validating" the at-maximum two good things any handmaiden's personal nigel has done in his lifetime. like, a few dudes have eaten you out until you came? great, shitheads can take a bow before they get the shepherd's crook. otherwise they have treated you like a woman: stolen your labor, and, as individual representatives of the the illustrious firm of Male Supremacy and Sons, horizontally integrated your mind, your body, and your time to please and enrich the other shareholders.

if you want to provide me with concrete examples of redeeming features of men, then i am willing to listen. but the "not all men" rhetoric that my half-assed re-iteration of basic radical feminist principles seems to have provoked in you comes across as a pre-emptive strike against having to answer that question. there is not exactly an abundance of anecdotes or data on the positive things men have to offer women in this world, here in this ostensibly feminist forum or in non-feminist or anti-feminist ones or in history or literally anywhere. please think about what that silence means before you send me another message telling me i'm not whispering sweetly enough into our oppressor's ear.

(uterusesb4duderuses)
"Why is the Japanese population dwindling?"

Because Japanese women want jobs and independence, and Japanese men want to fuck anime pillows and rubber dolls. That is literally why. Japanese men are angry that women are growing spines so instead they imagine super cute little girl voices for their sex dolls and envision anime life for themselves while the real world passes them by.

"My son accepts it, my daughter can't." Yeah that's because your son is another man who's probably going to end up in the same sorry situation and your daughter is freaked out that you're a worthless dude who wants a quiet fuck object as a life partner instead of a human being.

(86023485)
Women want jobs and independence in all modernized countries, but fake fantasy fuck toys for men haven't taken off to the same level in any other country I've seen. This "herbivore" culture is like MTGOW only more widespread and possibly even creepier.

I suspect the real reason is a bit more complicated than that. Maybe it has something to do with overpopulation. Japan is one of the densest populated industrialized countries in the world. But population can't grow forever, especially not in places as dense as Japan.

(IceIceKitty)
The arguement I've heard against it is that men will just practice their violent fantasies on these dolls and then move on to hurt real women, same argument behind not selling child sex dolls, same argument behind not watching pornography. People believe rape porn will sate rapists but actually it just fuels their obsession. I read something where the repairers of these sex dolls say they often find stab wounds and hacked off limbs. Creepy shit. We don't fear it for the reason they think though, it would be great if they actually left women alone but I don't think it would happen quite like that. Especially considering here we have yet another man forcing his fetish on his family.

(Elle_Ciel)
The argument is pretty simple: porn is addictive. It's no different than anything else that fucks up your brain chemistry. If a man is already obsessed to this degree, he's pretty far along into an addiction to begin with. There's no satiating them with fantasies forever. Once they get bored of the dolls, they'll need to up the ante to get the same high. They'll destroy their lives and hurt other people to satisfy a compulsive urge.

Either we start treating those desires as inherently sick and in need of serious treatment, or we'll have to deal with perverts after they turn into serial killer pedophiles.

(throwiesdg)
HA! Totally agree. I thought I would be sad when my divorce was finalized, but my biggest dream now is to eventually move out of my city into a teeny little cottage somewhere and have a little spinster's paradise. I could happily live without dating or having another relationship, and I can think of at least 3 or 4 friends who have told me they feel the same way. I'd be insanely happy with a Golden Girls-esqe future.

I don't think men realize just how many women feel the same way. Fewer men hassling me when I walk down the sidewalk or DMing me out of nowhere because they think there's a remote possibility they could laid from it? Fewer angry men shitting up the internet with their misplaced rage against women? Yes please!

(throwiesdg)
That's the thing- I love sex! I have a healthy sex drive, I'm straight, and I'm relatively young. You'd think with all those factors I'd be the exact type of woman who would never want to be alone. Yet still, the upsides of living with my ex never quite outweighed the downsides. I'll never again leave a freshly cleaned home only to return to a mess, or have to do someone's laundry, shampoo a stained carpet for the 3rd time in a month, or come home late to find that he's still waiting for me to cook a meal when I'd be so much happier eating a bowl of cereal and going to bed. Knowing this makes me so happy :)

My grandfather passed a few months ago, and I swear my Grandma still hasn't shed a single tear. It's not that she didn't love him, but it was soooo exhausting for her to cook, clean, and care for him that his passing felt like an enormous weight off her shoulders. I feel the same way about my ex (and most men, to be honest). I still love him and wish him the best, he's a good man, but a terrible partner and I'll pray for the poor woman who gets him next. Nowadays I see my grandma spending her days going to craft fairs with her ladies group, having luncheons, volunteering at church, etc and she seems so fulfilled and happy. I knew I didn't want to wait 40 years to live my life the same way

(susandeath)
I have to say I really do love my bf but its awesome to only see him once a week. Its often enough to satisfy my sex drive and I get the added bonus of only having to do extra cooking and cleaning once a week and its not that much because I'd be cooking for myself anyway.

I don't see myself ever wanting to move in with someone.

(qwertypoiuytre)
I would fully support the production and selling (even giving away for free?) of sex dolls or robots if they came with some stipulation as being only available for use on some remote island (or spaceship? planet?) and men upon going there could never come back. I think my proposed program would only create positive benefits for the rest of humanity.

(LittleOwl12)
Japanese men are a little infamous for their bullshit attitudes against women. It explains a lot of creepy anime.

Asian women have a very high rate of "marrying out" and I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with their feminism is outpacing the men's. I know that a lot of people are concerned that the extreme work hours have actually harmed people's abilities to interact with each other intimately. So there's been a counter-culture of young men who try to cut their hours short, help out with the kids and spend time with their wives and families. And change diapers! Clearly this loser didn't get on board. But points to the ones that do. They tend to be healthier and happier. Go figure.

(OK, this seems to actually be a woman agreeing with an incel)

(eekkggsghost)
The more I interact with women online the more I agree with this is sub

I'm a total shut-in, but in the past year I've talked with many women through this sub and reddit, and what can I say, I'm rather disappointed. I've never gotten any attention from anybody before, let alone women, so things were great for a while, but then certain patters started to emerge as they shared more and more.

Said patters are:

Complaining about no guy wants them while they have a rich dating history and dozens to hundreds of matches on dating sites.

Claiming they've dated man uglier than them... and then they show me their pictures. The guy is always on their level or higher. I've only encountered one exception to this, and she's a 9.5/10, he's an 8.5/10. I'm now convinced than women are incapable of determining the attractiveness of their partner.

Many of these girls have or have had sugar daddies. These completely average looking girls are getting paid thousands of dollars. Often they don't even have to have sex. It's ridiculous.

Almost all of them have high n-count in the dozens, some even 50<. Fucking loads of guys when they are young then finding a provider later is very common. Although in my experience it's not about money. It's about the urge to have children and fear of being alone.

Braking up for little to no reason. When they get bored with someone they'll find the smallest little detail to break up, knowing full well they'll be with a different guy in a week.

Complaining about "severe" or "very bad" social skills or anxieties, while having a rich social life and going out with friends/BF all the time. I understand that they perceive it as such, but come on.

Only wanting to talk about their problems and disappearing when I tried to talk about similar issues of my own.

Staying in abusive relationships for who knows what reason.

Braking promises and not being able to be on time. But that's because they don't like me and only want to interact with me to show how nice and good they are, as a form of charity.

Saying how they don't care about looks yet going on and on about what their BF/ex looks/looked like(I have to say that women's tastes seem to be slightly more varied than what this sub believes, not by much though). Same with large cocks.

I have to say these are my PERSONAL experiences of the last 12 months with women I met on reddit, and never in real life. The only exceptions to these seem to be women with health issues.

(OutOfPlatitudes)
I think part of the problem is meeting those women on this board.

Non-incels come here and it's really hard for them to understand. I think it's especially hard for women.

I think even normie guys can sort of empathize if they aren't too caught up in white knighting. They might not agree, but I think many can recognize, if they had been born with a less fortunate face, they could have been an Incel too...even if they don't agree with you.

Women, on the other hand, come here and see how we're vilified, called retarded, told we're stupid and will always pick a Chad and never pick an incel. We're called the 'ez mode' gender when everywhere else is all on board the feminism train. That makes them pissed off because, "I am not like that!!" "Not all women do that!!"

To be fair I don't think ALL women cuck and throw away good relationships for 1 night stands with a Chad...but I also think women are in denial about how common that actually is. We love our Chads, but we don't want to admit we wouldn't love them or even have given them a chance if they were much lower on the looks match scale as us. So instead we say 'looks don't matter'.

Incels call that out as bullshit and women usually double down saying everyone can find someone if they look hard enough.

They see Incels talking about killing themselves, how much pain they are in and "LDAR". I think this bothers women more than men because women want to think they can fix an incel.

I imagine that your friendships go something like this:

1) Woman's ego is hurt seeing a whole group of men who think all women, including her, are terrible.

2) Woman feels bad about herself and sees "black pillers" as just hurt & the right woman hasn't come along and they will change their mind. She's also mad because she doesn't see herself the way Black Pillers do.

3) Woman tries to talk to Incels. Either defends women or gives platitudes/advice for hope/etc...gets told to fuck off and she's an idiot etc. At this point she either leaves or she sticks around because she really wants to be liked

4) She tries to strike up a conversation. Many incels don't go for this and tell the woman to fuck off but eventually, /u/eekkggsghost or someone like him gives them a chance to converse.

5) Despite being black pill, the hope of attention means the Incel tries to be a friend. The woman likes the attention and that she isn't one of the 'bad ones' now. She likes the 'feel good' of perhaps changing a black piller's mind about women, or at least about her.

6) Her ego is sufficiently restored. But she doesn't want to date an Incel. She might like an Incel's friendship...but over time it's likely to be a frustrating friendship for both sides.

7) Incel leans heavily on the friendship because he desires friendship/companionship more than she does (supply & demand). He may want a relationship and overstep boundaries but more likely than not the Incel will stay frustratingly friend zoned and accept that.

8) No longer needing validation...the woman will realize being friends with someone who is depressed & LDAR isn't easy or fun.

9) At this point is when they are harder to get ahold of, or they'll tell you their problems but stop listening to yours, stop showing up on time or leave you hanging by committing to all plans with 'maybe' and only show if there's nothing better to do.

10) Eventually, this will spark a fight & the friendship will end. Woman will feel justified because she's constantly feeling dragged down by a high maintenance friendship & Incel will feel justified in agreeing with Black Pill beliefs.

Except incels supporting other incels, I don't think people can make healthy friendships in a subreddit like this. It'll probably end 95% of the time with friendships who's core is tied up in the misery of being an incel.

I think if you keep talking to women you meet on this subreddit, or through things about Incels/black pill, you'll continue to see the same pattern you've been observing.

(eekkggsghost)
That's a perfect summary.

But she doesn't want to date an Incel

I kinda disagree with this, just a little bit. There are a handful of people who got into relationships through this sub. I believe some of these women I'm talking about were actually willing to at least sleep with me(... that's pretty hard to do from thousand of miles away though). Some girls are turned on be the idea of being the first for someone, even if it's just a fantasy. And one I believe would have dated me, if we lived in the same place. I mean it would have been a disaster, yes, but I KNOW she was genuine. Misguided, delusional, but genuine.