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How is it that natural selection is purposeless, yet the word 'selection' implies purpose?
How is it that natural selection is purposeless, yet the word 'selection' implies purpose?
Satan began the perversion of women in the Garden of Eden by appealing to her vanity. Adam sinned by allowing the women to control him.
Women voting gives too much power to control men. I don't think God ever intended for women to have both the vote and boobs. That is just too much power in the hands of the weaker vessel.
Common Ancestry a Religous Premise.
The fact that neo-Darwinists premise their notions, ideas, concepts and theories about common ancestry and common descent on the biblical story of Adam and Eve is proof enough that evoutionist "theory" is premised on a religious belief and concept to start with.
['Isn't the most basic rule of humanity to do unto others as you would have others do unto you?']
Exactly ! I want Islamics to accept Christ as their saviour the same way I have.
I mean, since it's the frequency variations of the alleles around a specific locus that's supposed to bring on an evolutionary change, then how can there be any change with organisms that don't have alleles? Or a locus, for that matter? YET WE SEE CREATION AND CHANGE! NOT EVOLUTIONISM!
Since I singlehanededly defeated the Evolutionist dogma in my first thread
A usual response from the Evolutionists: Blend politics and religion in with science. That's how you people get your funding.
[Replying to a story about <a href="http://www.whiotv.com/education/5010286/detail.html" target="_blank">a Christian girl expelled from school</a> for having lesbian parents.]
The "Waaaa" factor is so annoying. Seriously. "They won't let me be a part of their group.... Waaa Waaaaa sniffle Waaaaa" Who cares? Why should anybody desire to be a part of a group, a school, or a business, that doesn't want them there? It's not the same as blacks not being allowed to sit in the front of the bus, or women not being allowed to vote. It's more akin to being told you're not invited to somebody's sleep over. So what.... go find another sleep over. It's not like you're being kept from going to ALL of them.
...Evolutionists will do anything for federal funding! Even lie.
The crack addict will do anything for crack funding! Even steal...
If Evoution isn't about Origins at all, then why do we have TalkOrigins, and "Origin of the Species"?
It seems to me that one can change the pitch of sound waves by incressing the speed it travels. Perhaps one can change the color of light by changing its speed also...
First of all, the Big Bang theory has been proven correct, because the universe is non-static (a fact that also disproves evolution) [...]
we know that the universe was created, because someone would have had to pull the proverbial pen that caused the explosion. now, for the catch: The bible is the only religious book that says that God is older than the universe (2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2). Therefore, Christianity is correct, because it goes hand in hand with science.
[Commening to <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%207:16&version=31" target="_blank">Gen. 7:16</a> 'And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as GOD commanded him: AND THE LORD SHUT HIM IN.']
Does this mean a pre incarnate visit of Christ to shut the door of the ark from the outside? Could it mean that GOD made the door hold shut? Could it also be that an impact blast from an asteroid reached the ark and slammed the door shut tight? Perhaps it is a combination of all three? I hope to ask Noah one day.
[Explaining who he wouldn't vote to be President]
A Muslim
Islamic interests are not in the interests of the West.
A homosexual
Homosexual interest collides with heterosexual interest. They are a small minority whereas heterosexuals are the vast majority.
A woman
I'd vote for a woman but I don't support woman's suffrage. They tend to vote based on emotional response instead of logical response.
During the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps, they ran into a lot of dead people. Most of them, the vast majority had a look of terror on their face. But every now and then they ran across someone that looked different. I even saw a old news film clip where a women looked beautiful, like a china doll, even though she was dead. One thing is for sure, she looked different than the others.
Now I am noticing the same thing in New Orleans. Most of the dead people you see are face down and not much expression, they just look dead. But every now and then they find a dead person where there is something different. For example I saw one dead body of a man who was beaten to death and they had a cover over him, but he was reaching out from under the cover as if he were reaching out for help, and that is the way his body looked.
There are people who would try to build a case that in looking at the way some people die, you can see evidence for creation. I would think that if you look at the evolutionary model, then everyone would be face down and dead and there would not be much in the way of communication from them. So how would evolutionists explain some of the things we see in this regard?
['Wait. You're arguing for creationism based on the way a dead person's muscles tense up in rigor-mortis then slacken as the body ages?']
That is one way of putting it. Granted most christian look just like non christians when they die. But sometimes, they look very different.
A baby's cry should, according to Evolutionist dogma, provide for a survival mechanism. If this is so, why does a newborn baby's cry irritate and annoy to no end?
Purrhaps the dinosaurs were destroyed by God to make way for Adam and Eve that were expelled from the Paradise?
Actually, humans and dinosaurs have co-existed, as birds can be classified as dinosaurs, or at least pterosaurs. The stories of dragons are interesting, too - could some dinosaur species have died out only a few millennia ago? It sounds unpropable, but is it completely impossible?
['Does god dislike loud music?']
I used to pull out of work and crank up Bloodgood (classic Christian rock/metal)
Great tension reliever and I think I felt God tapping his foot there a couple of times. [smilie]
Now, if you're playing something obsene so everyone in the 'hood can hear, yeah, I think he frowns on that.
['I believe in God and I too have to agree that demons are NOT the cause of mental illness. The debate has been settled since the 19th century (maybe before that too) so feel free to join us anytime.']
We don't always know what is causing illnesses, and disabilities. Sometimes the cause may very well be biological. Other times it may not be. God knows. Jesus knew.
Feel free to join those of us who put our faith in CHRIST and not mankind, anytime.
I wouldn't be too quick to tell him that his schizophrenia experience was not caused by demonic experience.
Sorry for not using Star Wars accurately in my analogy.
Anyway, I feel that some non-believers think this is how their after-life will be:
After one dies, they will go up to this mystical place with clouds and smoke. Then, in the back-round Celine Dion is singing one of her songs from the movie titanic. Then, the non-believer sees pictures of his/her family in the sky. All of a sudden, the non-elievr sees his/her love from earth appear. Then, the couple moves closer to each-other, in a slow manner, Celine Dion is still singing at this moment. They hold hands, each of them are clothed in mystical white clothes. Celine Dion stops singing, and the love of the non-believer vanished away. Then the song "Take my breathe away" comes up, and the non-believers spends eternity searching for their love while he/she is moving 1-2 mph.
Evolutionist: I believe in the big bang and evolution. If God created the Earth in 6 days, then how come we can see stars 50 billion light years away and therefore events that happened 50 billion years ago?
Creationist (informed): According to evolutionist/big bang circles how old is the universe?
Evolutionist: 13 Billion years! Not 6 six days.
Creationist: So where did the other 37 billion years go?
.....The same logic also denys the big bang theory
[On the afterlife for non-believers]
Have you seen the movie star wars episode 5? Remember after Luke blew up the death star, and returns to the Rebel's temporary planet(name?). Anyway, remember at the end where he walks up to Princess Lela? Do you remember the music, the soldiers, and the FEELING. Do you(non-believer) believe that after you die, that you will walk up to a princess and receive an award? Do you think that the "walking carpet" and R2-D2 will be there? While you walk to get your reward, will you nod your head to the other non-belevers,while the Star Wars music is playing?
['Is it ok to lie for God']
yes. the main goal should be to save people from hell. this is accomplished when they accept Jesus as their savior, and that should be done any means necessary..
When I was a kid and bought the cellophane bag of multicolor plastic "dinosaurs", it seemed that there was everything in there. The scientists want to categorize everything, and that is fine: however, if I had one chasing me, I would not be trying to figure out specifics in Latin. It would be TERRIBLE whether flying or walking fast. Dinosaur just fits the group, besides they didn't get that name until more modern times. I'm sure that dragon would be just as descriptive.
[On the scientific studies of creationism, responding to 'they just drowned them to prove they were a witch']
You don't have to be a creationist to do that. You just have to be willing to trust in the judgements of man... I know of no creationist involved in either the burning or drowning of witches. Ironically, both the Catholic Church and and the Puritans did and both these groups today imbrace evolution to one degree or another. Creationists tend to be evangelical.
[Arguing that secular medicine doesn't help people as much as a good ol'fashioned dose of the Lord]
Technical science, IMO, creates a serious problem by subsituting the chemicals that drug companies and labs produce in place of natural Christian therapy of the mind.
['we outnumber Ilovecartoons 20 to 1, plus we actually know what we're talking about. I wonder how intimidating that is.']
You don't outnumber me. Plus, YOU have to INSULT to overpower me. My GOD is more powerful than you think.
I am a jedi. I am NOT going to compromise my faith OR back down. My science is ready for battle. However, I won't waste my time if you can't fight with information but only insults
Besides, some stars have been burning much more energy than the Sun. How can they have started with more mass if the Big Bang is true? Matter SHOULD be evenly distributed.
[After someone explains that the sun radiates energy from nuclear fusion]
The energy comes from somewhere. However, the nuclear fission lie was made up to explain why the Sun hasn't run out of energy after 20 billion years.
The ACLU is the most evil organization in America. Satan LOVES the ACLU.
1. those stars appear to be billions of light years away..but thats just a guess. scientists really have no way of knowing exact distance..so any estimates they give shouldnt be counted
2. we can see them because we have eyes!!
3. the universe is as old as the earth
4. the earth is 6000 years old, that is coorect
5. the bible cannot be wrong, gods word is infalliable
Death and destruction is demonic.
I don't believe God "caused" the hurricane. Nor do I believe that it is from 'mother nature' or even 'nature' itself. "Mother Nature" is the personification of what nature should be and how it should nourish and sustain creation.
The tragedies aren't natural, they are defective. They are a manifestation of sin.
No creation can ever be superior to its creator
Again, this is an incontrovertible truth. A creator has to have the capacity to produce its creation and apes do not. Apes do not have the capacity to speak or form complex analyses and tasks. All anyone has to do is go to a zoo to see that. They therefore can never pass along genes with traits that they themselves do not possess. Evolution is simply a made-up story that tries to fit a square peg into a round hole. And even if the hole is much bigger than the peg, the peg will never "fit" into the hole. And neither does the theory of evolution fit into reality. It contradicts incontrovertible truths like the process of reproduction, and the fact that no creation can ever be superior to its creator. That's only possible in the imagination.
So why don't scientists leave cancer cells alone and let them "mutate" into healthy ones? If evolution is correct, then there's no reason not to do this, is there?
[On light billions of lightyears away]
There is less gravity at the outside of the universe than in the middle. all gravity will be pulling inwards. I have read earth is towards the centre of the universe. So what happens with the light from a, lets say, a star from the perimiter of the universe, the light will leave that star and as it gets closer to Earth, the speed will slow down. So the more gravity, the slower the speed.
I think the craters on earth, some of them, and the planets in our solar system may have somehow been caused by flood events. I believe Walt Brown theorized that the fountains of the deep opened with such force, as to cause some material to acheive a velocity that got it out of earths orbit, and some of the debris returned as meteors.
My own theory is that it was actually the flood waters, removed from earth, that reached space, then, as the split happened, space became a cold place, where the water froze, the spacebergs then were in some cases became giant meteors?
Perhaps there are other creation oriented ideas that are similar as well?
Why not!? If a phenomena like more craters on the moon, on the side that faces earth, or some planets, if this were the case were to exist, would not this be a possible indication?
(My time is short here, as I may be gone most of September, so I'm having a little flurry of activity here.)
Pre split space and gravity were likely not the same, so strict PO calculations would not apply across the board here, but only, say to a post split spaceberg, or such.
Such a historically exciting universe!
['Evolution has its uses in fields like medicine, agriculture, engineering and so on']
Evolution is not being used. What is being used is what has always been known as APPLIED SCIENCE. Horticulturalists essentially do the same thing. They selectively cross pollinate flowering vegitation to BREED a pure strain variation. Their creative work has not produced a veggitoid. Neither does one seem to be in the works, either "experimentally" or "naturally".
scientists argue amonst themselves all the time! i always read about peer reviewed journals, its like you can literally submit utter nonsense and as long as a few guys agree to it, BAM its a fact!
in todays society people find different ways to make a living. they arent necessarily lying, just holding back the truth. Evolutionists do this all the time.
Governor infringes Separation of Church/State
The Governor of Louisiana must have raised some eyebrows among the illustrious membership of the ACLU, as she asked that the citizens of her state pray for issues surrounding the natural disaster in the wake of the hurricane. In deed, she ask that citizens throughout the country pray today as well....
It seems to me that if a public school is at odds over a moment of silence that this must be a BIG NO NO! I can imagine that if schools were in session that all the atheists would be up in arms over such a suggestion. Let them eat cake there are no gods, might be their chant---or perhaps, save our children from religious intrusions. The church of the Gaily Frivolous must also be under pressure to send petitions concerning such illegal infringment of privacy and any governmental encouragement to Christian Fundamentalists: however, they will in postscript be asking if New Orleans will be prepared to host Mardigras so that the collection of rainbow beads will not be interrupted...
Actually, I feel that evolutionists are far more the breed cults are made from. Evolution becomes their way of thinking, interacting and responding...
The Evolution Conspiracy started with the Enlightenment. It was not an attempt to get rid of God but to replace him by this pseudo-scientific Establishment. Unfortunatley Christian leaders have been so lacking in faith and apathetic that they did not bother to counter this conspiracy. However now they are starting to see where it is taking them they are starting to stand up and the Darwinists are for the first time facing a real opposition and they are running scared. All they have to fall back on is vilification since their theory is indefensible and that is not going to wash.
[On his prophecy that God will heal thousands of children. Originally posted July 10, 2005.]
['What night and will it happen in lets say the next month?']
Sometime from now to the end of August.
And evolutionist is not going to try to prove that humans evolved from Butterbeans, because he is not looking for the truth----he only wants his logic to be accepted...
This whole debate was misdirected by Atheists in the 19th Century. They forged documents implying that people in the past believed the world was flat - to discredit the Church and stated that Man invented God to explain the forces of Nature, but none of that was true.
The fact is that Man discovered God, the supernatural, etc, by personal experience. His experience was real, but this does not mean he understood it and he came up with countless theories to explain his real experience. Man did not discover some geological deposit and then copncluded that God exists. That is not how it happened.
No amount of Scientific theorising about the development iof the species is going to get rid of the experience of God so it is a misdirection.
The fact is that Scientists know precious little about anything at all. They are trying on a bluff to gain total power. The right to make our Laws and order our lives.
Some Scientists are honest and point out that you cannot have evolution and God. You have ot choose. But dishonest ones claim that God created the world by evolution and since they are the only ones clever enough to understand Evolution they know the Mind of God and so are entitled to rule us, make our laws, etc. This is just a scam and they are now being called to account for themsleves. The Fraud is over and there will be all hell to pay soon.
['Humans didn't evolve from butterbeans.']
Very smart indeed.... Shussssssssssh, now listen... I'll let you in on a secret.... Humans didn't evolve from apes either, but keep it to yourself. Especially,
while in PUBLIC SCHOOL. You may be accused of making Children think.
though it may not be the best method, if you really want to reduce the amount of illegals entering the country, use landmines. of course, that idea would never fly.
Butterbeans must contain antigen "A"...
[Originally posted July 10, 2005]
To all of you athiests out there.
God has been physycally speaking to me for a little over two years. He has told me many things and given me answers to many mysteries of the Bible, the creation and God himself. One of the things that he told me is about a supernatural miracle of global proportions that will happen in the coming months. When it happens, all will know that there is indeed a loving God.
God will heal every child of innocence on this earth, who suffers from any chronic or serious disease, birth defect or disability. Pediatric wards will empty and children’s hospitals will close. All will know that it is a miracle from God, and many who have turned from him will return. [...]
Get ready, for it is coming.