Thunderbolts* is so unrelentingly mediocre that it confirms Marvel’s contemptuous refusal to offer anything better. Worse, it depends on the dedication of an audience of cretins. This is implied by Yelena’s backstory explaining the asterisked title as a reference to her childhood failures and disappointments. It clearly indicates that this movie is for Zoomers who were never taught about art, literature, philosophy, or cinema.
It’s no coincidence that the contempt oozing out of Thunderbolts* matches the Biden years of contorted language. That asterisk denotes a corrupt populist movie that tells Zoomers they are freaks and mediocrities, even if they band together. The caucus of third-rate superheroes diminishes the concept of heroism just as the terms “inflation,” “take seriously,” “root causes,” “infrastructure,” and “democracy” were robbed of meaning by the last administration. Yes, Thunderbolts* is an anti-American fantasy. What that asterisk really means is: There’s even less to this movie than you think
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It clearly indicates that this movie is for Zoomers who were never taught about art, literature, philosophy, or cinema.
While I agree that the movie is mediocre, the claim about art, et cetera, is just snobbish. Not every movie has to be a profound reflection on human nature.
The caucus of third-rate superheroes diminishes the concept of heroism just as the terms “inflation,” “take seriously,” “root causes,” “infrastructure,” and “democracy” were robbed of meaning by the last administration
What is the point of politicising this discussion?
What is more, why should heroes be perfect monoliths of pure almighty goodness? Just because someone is not a flying brick, does not mean they cannot be a hero. Hel, John Wick is pretty much a hero and yet, he ends up in a pretty sorry state. As for his goodness, he was a mafia enforcer, so quite compromised, there.
Now I haven’t seen the movie and know nothing about the source material, so I’ll apologize in advance to the fans if I’m mischaracterizing it here.
Underdog movies are a thing. Granted that they’re usually aimed at children, but more adult versions do exist.
Morally gray, semi-competent (or very competent but still in a bit over their heads) hero or wannabe hero teams aren’t that uncommon in various media, including superhero comics. Though in Hollywood movies it tends to be done as comedies, and in other media it’s sometimes grimdark.
People with troubled pasts which they can’t easily escape or get over being driven to better the world (even if they’re not necessarily in the best mindset to do so) are very common - that’s basically Batman’s origin story, for crying out loud.
None of these concepts are remotely new. It might or might not be some unusual mix of these concepts (again, can’t personally judge) for a big-budget film, but it’s just one movie, and that doesn’t mean much by itself. But it feels like ageism to use it as a cudgel against younger people just because you think one film which you decided was aimed entirely at that age category is “over-politicized” when you’re probably just reading waaay too much into it.
If that Symbolic Asterisk thing is your attempt to appear literate and sophisticated, it is not working.
@Indicible #232644
What is more, why should heroes be perfect monoliths of pure almighty goodness? Just because someone is not a flying brick, does not mean they cannot be a hero. Hel, John Wick is pretty much a hero and yet, he ends up in a pretty sorry state. As for his goodness, he was a mafia enforcer, so quite compromised, there.
And let’s not forget that the MCU itself started with a haughty self-professed-narcissist playboy arms trader without any life skills, with the entire support cast basically being his carers trying to clean up his messes, who had enabled his company’s illegal dealings by neglecting his duty of oversight, all the while struggling with the emotional baggage of his strained relationship with his strict and oft-absent father who never got to express his love for his son, left forever unresolved his parents’ sudden death… Or are they really so stupid to think that Tony Stark was not an emotionally conflicted and morally compromised antihero working in large part on due to snark cutting both ways, but an ideal hero - even before of the start of his character development in the cave incident?
the terms “inflation,” “take seriously,” “root causes,” “infrastructure,” and “democracy” were robbed of meaning by the first Trump administration.
@Bastethotep #232651
If that Symbolic Asterisk thing is your attempt to appear literate and sophisticated, it is not working.
Actually, that asterisk is part of the movie’s official title. That being said, from what I heard it’s actually one of the better recent MCU films (alongside F4), even most of the common haters agree it’s a step in the right direction again.
@Bastethotep #232651
“Or are they really so stupid to think that Tony Stark was not an emotionally conflicted and morally compromised antihero working in large part on due to snark cutting both ways”
It’s a superhero movie. People go to see cars thrown at bad guys. If there’s no character in the movie that expressly says, “HEY! This guy’s in PAIN!” then, no, many will not notice it.
@Peacemonger373 #232748
I'd argue tgey never were. Many say such and such went woke, complaining but being a tourist for whatever they complain about. Often they know little of comics they decry (seriously some complained Supes was woke when even a tourist for tye comicss, shows, movies and video games knows tge fucking story)
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