Since when was killing ones own kids an act of empowerment?
If I killed my own kids I'd be spat on as a horrible murderer; but a woman who kills her own before they're born is hailed as courageous.
I think abortion should be met with the same legal punishment as murder.
Additionally, if a woman undergoes an abortion despite the objection of the father, I think she should be executed.
If the father kills his partner for murdering their unborn child/ren, he should be let off as anyone else who had just killed the person that had murdered their children. It's fair.
99.999999% of abortions are unnecessary and on the extremely, extremely rare occasion where abortion is an emergency procedure to preserve the life of the mother, well that's between her, her husband and the OBGYN. Everyone else can STFU as they couldn't possible imagine what it would be like to be in that kind of terrifying, tragic situation.
Pro-Choice Vs Pro-Life is: Kill your kids or let them live. That's it.
M.
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You know, the problem as always is that you are denying women their bodily autonomy. I have to agree with the saying that if men would get pregnant too, abortion would be legalized in seconds. The father has done nearly nothing to conceive the child, once he impregnated the mother he is free to do whatever he wants if society wouldn’t put regulations against that behavior (and how well those work is yet another question that is rarely asked). For a woman pregnancy is extremely costly, might have disastrous consequences for them in many different ways.
So let’s say that even a fertilized zygote is somehow already a human being (preposterous as that is, but once again it shows that laws and rules usually work in discreet human categories, while natural processes are usually a non-discreet continuum, which causes them to clash quite often), then you have two personal rights (the mothers and the babies) that are contradicting each other, if the mother won’t or can’t even take on the risks and responsibilities of a pregnancy.
Strangest thing, someone is missing from this picture again… oh right, the father. Because ultimately, his personal investment is simply not as great as that of the mother, therefore his opinion should be taken into account, but it can never be as important.
That you don’t even think that abortions are necessary in case of emergency situations (which are WAY more common than you seem to think) and that this should be a decision in which the father is involved for no reason is simply sickening (what, does that mean that if the woman wants to live and the father and perhaps conservative pro-life doctor say “No, we put the baby above your life” she has no further say in the matter? Fuck you!).
Abortions should be carefully thought through, but they are not murder (what they ARE is extremely complicated). For me the already REALIZED life and autonomy of the mother can’t and shouldn’t be weighed with the POTENTIAL life of her child, and a certain compromise must be reached… which is the reason why abortion up to a certain stage of development should be legal. And in emergency situations the life of the mother is simply always more important.
Ok, let’s not beat around the bushes, what the pro-life crowd like you actually wants is obvious:
Punishment for women for having sex (disgusting that you think of babies as orderly punishment for that by the way) and women’s bodies as properties of their husbands (and rapists, and flings etc.). Because once the child is born, you lot couldn’t care less for it. And that tells me all I need to know about you.
All abortions are just between the pregnant woman, the man who got her pregnant and the doctor. It does not involve you do get the fuck out. You clearly don't care about them.
Take your own advice and STFU.
“ that's between her, her husband and the OBGYN. Everyone else can STFU as they couldn't possible imagine what it would be like to be in that kind of terrifying, tragic situation.”
That’s a perfect summary of the whole abortion question, although I’d replace “husband” with “father,” as many single women have abortions as well. I have yet to see one of the protesters outside clinics offer to adopt the unborn child if carried to term, or even support the mother during pregnancy. As George Carlin said, “If you’re pre-born, you’re golden; if you’re pre-school, you’re fucked.”
@ChrisBP747 #78798
Not that I understand why they think non-virginal women should be punished in the first place. Especially with the usual claim that men should “sow wild oats”, despite that meaning that women...well...have sex with the men in question. Why, basically, should women be punished for helping men do what’s expected of men?
Admittedly, this is assuming that the very existence of the desire to punish is reactive, not proactive or free-floating. Still doesn’t explain where the desire to harm, or at least inconvenience, came from at first, though.
@Skyknight #78834
I think this is more about women having sex without being in a marriage (and there only with her husband). They can’t conceive of a woman in a marriage NOT wanting all the kids her husband has planned for them to get, so if the child is unwanted, then it must be coming from “illegitimate” sex. Remember, in the mind of fundamentalists and fascists, female sexuality outside of procreation is abhorrent. So they see the child as the punishment these women allegedly deserve for having sex with whomever they wanted.
You who are supposedly 'Pro-Life'. So many being fundie Christains. Presumably you're one of them, Pathetic Design? So you'd agree that all forms of abortion are wrong: as are those who promote, nay, order such to happen? No Exceptions: otherwise it's not only your entire 'argument' that's utterly annihilated: certainly the legal right of your entire 'agenda' to be politically Executed .
Hosea 13:16.
Your move, OP.
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