@Taln_Reich

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

After his executive order on sex, is Trump legally the first female president? | Arwa Mahdawi | The Guardian

( NastasyaFillipovna )
Atleast flatearthers have "Earth actually looks flat" going for them. I don't know what Gendies huff tbh

( GoodGoneGirl )
They have this:

“Most scientists now reject the idea that sex is strictly binary. The likes of Nature, possibly one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the world, has noted that “the research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female”.”

Gendies are the flat earthers who successfully captured science and academia. That gives their beliefs some weight, for now. They think appeals to science will save them and their stupid ideology, I don’t think they have considered the possibility that they will drag science down with them.

( VestalVirgin )
Yeah. Compared to gendies, flatearthers are downright sane. Earth looks flat, and until the first ship sailed all around the earth, there was not even witnesses to the fact that the earth is round, just the possibility to deduce that info. (And photographic proof only exists since space rockets.)

But also, I am not aware that flat-earthism in itself ever caused any harm. Presumably, flat earthers don't work as pilots or astronauts or in other professions where their belief could impair their ability to do their job. Genderism, on the other hand ... yeah.

( oneofthesesigns )
This annoys me so much as an argument. We discussed this "the undifferentiated fetus is female" concept in my developmental bio class over a decade ago. My super old male prof was like that is only true if you assume that the female is passive genetically, which is misogyny. We don't know what a fetus that doesn't differentiate looks like as an adult because that is most likely a mutation that is incompatible with life and would result in a miscarriage shortly after differentiation normally takes place.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

"scalling back rights or protections for one group hurts everyone"
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( mathlover )
The whole Executive Order - everything it seeks to rectify - is caused by the T. The larping men insist that gnc women, lesbian and even straight, will suffer by being challenged when they try to use womens spaces. Nah. We just, have always, mentioned that we are women; it only takes seconds of interaction to confirm that women are women. And of course the idiotic idea that women will all need "genital inspections" lol. Guess that is the TIM dream come true, but there is never a need for it.

The public is gradually becoming aware of how toxic the T is. We need to keep shining the light until everyone - including captured woke religious lefty types - realize that the entire problem is caused by all the letters after LGB. All the rest is an alphabet shit soup, without which that Executive Order would not have needed to be written. The TQ+ whatever are entitled to compassion after they are safely defanged and permanently separated from any association with LGB. Until then, the TQ+ sre the danger to women.

( pennygadget )

....scaling back rights or protections for one group hurts everyone

It is not a civil right to have one's identity validated. Especially when that identity is objectively not real.

Also, as a Jew, I really wish TRAs would stop with the "first they came for..." rhetoric. Telling a man who calls himself "Cuntina VonSluttington" that he can no longer put "female" on his passport or get fake tits via Medicare is not the stepping stone to gays&lesbians being loaded into gas chambers. On the contrary, trans ideology being mainstreamed has actively harmed the LGB community (ESPECIALLY the L). And being tethered to the TQ has caused support for gay rights to go down for the first time in 20 years

( takshak )
..but scaling back the rights of women and girls is just peachy.

( DietCokeAddict )
“Rights aren’t pie! It literally doesn’t affect you if men in dresses stare at you while you undress in locker rooms! Why do you even care that your cellmate is male, and violent, and much stronger than you? Bigot” /s

( Lee-Side_ )
These weren't actual rights. They were privileges.

( Cattitude )
And they were at the expense of women's rights.

various commenters #transphobia #racist ovarit.com

RE: Will Democrats ever drop the ‘transgender lunacy’? - spiked (Kara Dansky)

( ThisReality )
Will Republicans ever want them to? If Democrats do drop it, will Republicans ever acknowledge that, or will it be touted as an ever-present threat, the new Red China or Cold War?

Transgenderism is a political boon to both parties. If one side decides to stop playing tug-of-war, the other side loses, too.

( FrankieDuck )
There is a lot more to it then political parties posturing. If you go to reduxx.info you can see how depraved sex is a big part of the trans movement. Jennifer Bilek writes about the money behind this movement. It's not really a game.

( RNPhalarope )
As far as i can see, they are doubling down on this.

And they are doubling down on the excesses of DEI. It is really unfortunate when you can't admit that the ideology that says that all white people are racist, the written word is colonial oppression, and something, something math is bad, etc. is really out of touch.

I listened to a podcast featuring the top people from the Harris campaign about what went wrong and it was a pitiful performance without any reflection.

( SatanicPanic )
The "math is racist" bullshit really opened my husband's eyes. It's so amazingly racist. How the fuck can they say they don't think black people can do math to our faces and actually believe they're the good ones?

( PerenelleFlamel )
I spent some time on reddit to try to see where the left is headed after this, and man, it is brutal. They are still screaming "Nazi" at everyone, maybe even louder this time, and have no real understanding of how their extreme actions over the past 5-7 years have brought us here. Honestly, if the Dems didn't straight up, and I don't say this lightly, persecute Trump and make a folk-hero out of him, we would be living in an entirely different timeline.

And if the Dems didn't spend the last 4 years embracing absolutely bonkers positions like trans and mass immigration, straight up mocking their voter base, actively and obnoxiously alienating anyone who was wasn't a left-wing nutjob, blatantly censoring opposition, and openly supporting destructive and violent criminal activity and telling people they'd just have to 'deal with it' for social equity, they might have had a chance.

It is absolutely maddening.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Transgender inmates panic as Donald Trump's executive order sends them packing to men's prisons | Daily Mail Online

( pennygadget )
Maybe y'all should have thought of that before you committed crimes (most likely sex crimes, because you're TIMs).

No fucking sympathy for these scrotes. This policy lead to God knows how many rapes and pregnancies for incarcerated women. So I'm not shedding tears for these men. If they feel oppressed, they can remove the woman costume and use he/him pronouns again. Or request protective custody on account of being "at risk"

Whatever they decide, its not women's problem to deal with. Die mad, scrotes

( Arenlaef )
There's something so powerful about reading some form of "The trans prisoners are worried they'll be targets in prison" and just admitting that I don't really give a flying fuck, lol.

That's for male prisons to work out. We don't remedy that by serving these men up women on a platter for them to abuse.

( FloraFair )
Is it cruel for me to say they should be happy.

They'll be treated like the women they so desperately long to be. They'll have to fear everyday that they might possibly be violated at any moment. They'll always be looking over their shoulders & sleeping with one eye open. The fear will keep them awake until it starts to impact their health & they go insane.

Is this not what women feel? Do they not want the authentic female experience?

( Mandy )
What a shame they didn't push for trans-only accommodation when they had the chance.

( momofreyrella )
They didnt want that

( Smellerbee )
They didn't want it because it wouldn't be "validating."

( VestalVirgin )
And because they aren't really afraid. They just want to rape women.

If they were afraid, they'd pushed for trans only accommodation. (Someone told my mom a sob story about trans prisoners being beaten up by prisoners of the other sex that they demand to be imprisoned with. I'd very much like to know who, but I fear she might have drunk the koolaid, she always gets aggressive when I question her new beliefs..A shame, too, she used to be a normie Anyways, that sob story cannot possibly be true, cause if it were they'd wisely stay where they belong!)

( hard_headed_woman )
Reading that headline made me positively euphoric!

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: ‘A Bounty on My Head’: Congress’s First Transgender Member Faces the Trump Era - The New York Times

( mathlover )
Men who say they are "women" - like Mr. McBride - are not even remotely vulnerable, though they have managed to bully and gaslight people into believing they are.

If these men want to wear dresses, wigs/long hair, makeup, etc and play make-believe "woman" in their personal lives, with willing participants, they have always been free to do that. The fact that they now can force the rest of us to go along with it, and to make women unable to keep these men out of womens spaces is not the mark of the vulnerable and powerless. They are sexually predatory authoritatian brutes.

( PeregrineWitch )
Seeing this man constistently called 'she' and described as a woman is an ongoing slap in the face.

You're the problem, New York Times. You and all the other misogynistic crap journalists, politicians and doctors who've peddled the male supremacist notion that being a woman is a feeling a man can have, and that pushing back against this insane, insulting attrocity is some kind of persecution.

( shewolfoffrance )
I think it's interesting to see which TiMs are quadrupling down and which ones are trying to rebrand as sensible moderates [...]. I suspect we'll be seeing quite a few of the latter in the coming months and years.

( [Deleted] )
All of them want to sound so reasonable and do a great job until they get to the bit where they have to say I know I’m male and I know I suffer from a mental problem called dysphoria…, x y z I still want to take large amounts of cross sex hormones which are ruining my health and costing the tax payer a fortune already and we haven’t even hit the mass early onset dementia tipping point because I have the only mental health problem which can be cured by reinforcing intrusive and delusional thoughts.

( shewolfoffrance )
Even if they're willing to give up a few things like men in women's sports, or cut loose the more the more disgusting AGPs; they all still believe in "true trans" for themselves. Blaire White still wants access to women-only spaces. Brianna Wu still wants to trans minors. Sarah McBride has backed off using the women's bathroom, but now sits on a committee for women.

( NO )
Maybe if you had not tried getting rid of the rights of half the population you wouldnt feel the hate of half the population.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The Left trying to push all fetuses female line to get around EO text

( Itzpapalotl )
Whatever happened to "NO means NO"?

Why can't TRA's and TIM's hear women saying "NO" to their endless tirade of misogyny and colonization? NO! Males are NOT women, of any kind, they are men. NO! You are NOT welcome in female spaces.

"NO." Is a full sentence.

( babygrandpiano )
The fact that they don't understand that no means no just proves that they are very much male and always will be.

( kitkat )
What an embarrassing load of tripe. It still shocks me that the left has adopted this ridiculous anti-women and child damaging cult. It may go down in history as one of the most harmful and illogical things they have ever championed.

( hontrapoints )
TIPs: TERFs ignore trans men! They're transphobic and think trans men are just confused and abused girls and women! We need to destroy those bigots!

Also TIPs: "So, according to this definition, all Americans are female."

Looooooool

( notapatsy )
They have a history of twisting biology to fit their ideology, so this is just the latest twist. However, I doubt they will successfully argue their way into anywhere the EO bans them from by the strength of their standing at the door and arguing over the "meaning" of the text of the EO.

( ArtemisCitrine )
Let's say it's true that all fetuses start out female. What on earth is their point? The fetus would then develop into male and female by the time they're born. It's like when TRAs bring up intersex. How does it change anything if some people are born with birth defects on their reproductive systems?

( istara )
It doesn't really matter what a morula, blast, embryo or foetus looks like or what genitals it does or doesn't have.

By the time it emerges from the uterus, except in the case of a few rare DSDs, it will be absolutely, undeniably clear what sex it is and what its chromosomes are.

If it helps, I'm perfectly happy sharing a bathroom with a male morula if it wants to pop out for a visit. Just as most women are fine with young male children who are typically permitted in female facilities up to a certain age.

It's adult males that we prefer not to have in our intimate spaces.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Regarding recent EO recognizing the biological reality that is Sex, and the person who signed it

( Veneficca )
I think we all would love for this EO to win the war, stop the madness. I hate Trump and would happily give him credit for this.

But this changes nothing for most TRAs. If anything, they're doubling down. I was just starting to see doubt and backtracking, mostly around sports, and more LGB rolling their eyes and saying they were sick of trans. Now trans are sacred cows again, coddled by all good progressives. Any GC message is "transphobia" linked to everything else he does.

In essence, the Left needs to see the truth of gender ideology, not simply be overruled, or they'll start it all up again if they regain power. This is a lovely reprieve but not a permanent victory.

My biggest hope is that Dems will create workarounds like creating trans prison units that then are harder to argue against even when a Democrat is back the saddle.

( NoName )
Saw an X post yesterday where a woman from the UK was asking why the BBC concentrated on all of Trump's executive orders but for the sex recognition EO. I notice the Washington Post which used to run a pro trans article almost daily has had no trans articles in the past two days. Why?

Instead of walking their lies back, I think the media that lied and lied about trans ideology is maybe just going to go quiet. Pretend they never lied. It's only been two days though, I'll wait and see.

( RighteousIndignation )
I'm in the UK and I've noticed how none of the main stream news outlets have even mentioned the end of gender thing, only a few have mentioned the removal of DEI from government departments.

things like GB news tell you you the whole thing but the BBC, the newspapers do not. [...]

( MascaraRunsFree )
I feel this may just break down some denial in some Democrats. A bona-fide Enemy of All People Everywhere (okay too dramatic) -- maybe not -- has done something that is WILDLY POPULAR even with the vast majority of run-of-the-mill middle-of-the-road Democrats. They all KNOW, the ones promoting this in Democrat party/circles, that it's all bullshit! They know it! They know "Sarah" McBride is lying through his fucking teeth! And now finally the bubble has been burst, even if plenty of Dems don't want to say it. What? It's okay to tell the truth! Yeah you better before we get 8 fucking years of Republicans in power.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Dickless male embryos are not female.
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( shewolfoffrance )
I understand why normies my need this explained, but I'm at the point where I don't really even care about reasoning with TRAs because it's pointless. It's never in good faith. They don't actually care about embryos, DSDs, or fetal development. It is and always has been about letting men stomp all over women and children.

( Cattitude )
Yes. It's about unhindered access to the sexual targets of their choice.

( shewolfoffrance )
I really hope we're moving to the point, as a society, that we just stop taking them seriously as people.

( VictoriaSponge )
Even if is based on falsehoods, it is funny how now they’re now saying penis and testes = male human, even though to say that was the most grave transphobic sin a mere day ago. Similarly, TIFs should be seething that they’re being told they were always female. It’s almost like their ideology is logically inconsistent! How are they not embarrassed, jeez.

( SuperSmokio6420 )
I've no idea what the TRAs even think they're achieving with this line. Deliberately misunderstanding the text of the EO so they can all chortle away together at how 'dumb' it is. It's like they're completely divorced from the real world and are just going to exist in a make believe world where they treat their bizarre spin as real.

( nat20 )
I've seen variations of this all over my FB in the last day 😵‍💫 The belief that they are more qualified to understand this issue than a graduate of Harvard law school who served as a legal advisor to the executive branch of the United States is absolutely insane... You'd think the obvious display of male entitlement behind this sentiment would peak some of the handmaidens sharing these memes but alas we aren't so lucky

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

r/MtF meltdowns in the wake of the EO
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( Carrots90 )

This Is An Absolute Attack, Especially for MTF trans people. God Damnit Why?!

Because of MtF trans people

( Honeycreeper )
Saw one of them today and viscerally wanted to throw up

A balding male WILL NEVER PASS.

MEN YOU WILL NEVER PASS BECAUSE YOU ARE MALE

( worried19 )
Truth. I feel bad for the ones who are genuinely trying to live their lives quietly, but there have been far too many examples of trans-identified people acting in bad faith.

The trans movement ruined their own chances of assimilation into society. If it had never progressed further than "we just want to use a bathroom we're comfortable in," this executive order would not exist. TRAs just had to keep pushing and pushing and pushing for more extreme and ridiculous things. And this is the result. You can only push so far before others will react.

( legopants )

feel bad for the ones who are genuinely trying to live their lives quietly,

LMFAO why??? They're still misogynistic sexist pigs cosplaying as a woman with their mockery of "how women act" as well

( hard_headed_woman )
Ok, read up, you fuckers:

"You're still a man. Likely a white man. You're just a man in a dress. You have every right you would have had ten years ago, but you no longer have special rights to women's spaces. Now, shut the fuck up pretending to be victims. You aren't. You should be ashamed of yourselves comparing yourselves to Jews in Nazi Germany!"

And if you didn't get it the first time:

"You're still a man. Likely a white man. You're just a man in a dress. You have every right you would have had ten years ago, but you no longer have special rights to women's spaces. Now, shut the fuck up pretending to be victims. You aren't. You should be ashamed of yourselves comparing yourselves to Jews in Nazi Germany!"

One more time to sink into your pea brains:

You're still a man. Likely a white man. You're just a man in a dress. You have every right you would have had ten years ago, but you no longer have special rights to women's spaces. Now, shut the fuck up pretending to be victims. You aren't. You should be ashamed of yourselves comparing yourselves to Jews in Nazi Germany!"

YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELVES.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( Lilith-Fair )
The Trump EO on gender was written by an IWF lawyer
Megyn Kelly reported the EO was written by an IWF lawyer name May Mailman(sp?). That's why all the right words were used and it's airtight.

( Metal_detector )
Respectfully, I got to admit I am a little annoyed here with the conversation. Does it really matter that much if the woman who wrote this is part of a prolife group? I see a lot of yall getting hung up on that aspect.

It was still an airtight, and fantastically written executive order which is hugely beneficial to us as women. It doesn’t mean we are going to go out and support pro life causes.

It doesn’t change the fact that when women and girls push back on men entering female designated spaces, they now have a powerful executive order to use to help them moving forward.

Please don’t forget that we are supposed to be trying to fight against the menace of male oppression. We can still use tools even if they aren’t coming from the best source. If it’s a good tool, it’s a good tool.

I worry that by getting hung up on the fact that the author is prolife, and part of a controversial group who doesn’t care for women, it could result in this huge win being totally disregarded.

( JACKANDJILL )
Everyone has to consider the possibility that it might be easier to get the Republicans to become reasonable on abortion than it will be to get the Democrats to become reasonable on "gender."

When someone reaches their hand out to help you, don't swat it away. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them on everything.

Republicans and Democrats just want to win elections. They don't have a single moral fiber between them. Tents and coalitions change over time. Always have, always will.

Save the purity tests for the woke brigade.

( Iota_Aurigae )
IWF is an anti-abortion group, so that explains the "at conception" wording.

( darksunset )
The "at conception" wording could be a way of negating how TRA's use weasel language like "assigned at birth". Also, we can accurately sex a fetus before its born, which might also be part of the rationale for that wording.

itsnotaboutewe, JACKANDJILL & Sadeyedlady #transphobia ovarit.com

( itsnotaboutewe )
When TRAs Complain About Trump's EO Declaring Ther Are Only 2 Sexes
I think this is what I will be doing in any conversation about Trump's EO declaring there are only 2 sexes. A few years ago I had a conversation with someone about men invading women-only spaces because they say they identify as women. I won't go into the whole conversation, but it ended like this:

Her: "But transwomen are women so they should use the women's facilities. Women and transwomen should use the women's, and men and transmen should use the men's. It really is that simple. Which facilities do you think transwomen should use?"

Me: "This always confuses me. Are transwomen the women who think they are men, or are they the men who think they are women?"

Her: "They're the men who think they're women."

Me: "Then by your own admission they are men, so they should use the men's."

Her: Blinks, then changes the subject.

( JACKANDJILL )
Love it. Whenever I get trapped in similar discussions, I always ask them to define trans woman and they try so hard not to say man or male, but it's unavoidable. Then it's checkmate.

( Sadeyedlady )
Love that. I will try to remember to use that more often. Today I’ve mainly just been asking these TRAs if they’ve read the executive order. Of course they haven’t.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Poll results revealed! (How long will it take the Democratic Party to drop the trans agenda?)

( Chronicity )
I voted 1-2 years, even though I think it will be closer to 2-3 years.

Midterms are going to be the test. Between now and then, the TRAs are going to be in full tantrum mode as the GOP goes after trans medicine. The American public is soon going to learn that they were sold an ugly lie: none of it is evidence-based. It’s just unscrupulous doctors experimenting on troubled youth and the mentally ill, and there is no scientific basis for any of it.

I’m actually hopeful that in two years, more than 70% of the electorate will see this as a human rights atrocity. The Dems will be unelectable if they don’t drop this issue by then.

( NaturalBornXXFemale )
I really do this this trans shit was a BIG thing that lost the election. Identity politics in general, but when you can't even say the word "women" without offending self proclaimed feminists even the right knows there's a problem.

( pennygadget )
It was identity politics combined with the left being WAY more tribal than the right. Right wing spaces are generally welcoming and safe for the politically homeless. But God help you if you're in a leftist/progressive space and you express ONE opinion that goes against established dogma even just a little bit.

This is what pushed a lot of otherwise left leaning people to either vote red or sit this one out

( PeregrineWitch )
I saw a clip from Trump's innaugural address where he said 'there are only two genders: male and female" and got a lot of applause and a (mostly) standing ovation. This definitely underscores for the degree to which people who've been silent are feeling free to speak after years of woke cancelling. I would hope the Dems are taking note, but most of them seem to be digging in deeper.

( pennygadget )
Some Democrats would rather see the Democrat party burn to the ground and lose the next 10 elections than turn their backs on their AGP masters.

If only they felt this strongly about actual women.

( DeafCatMeow )
I can only hope that with the Dems dropping it, actual leftists in the EU and other parts of what we consider the West, will also drop it.

( ice )
I think some activists are going to walk away from it. I can see trans stuff being seen more like furries are seen today. Like, you do you, but that's nasty…

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The Trump executive order is official: "Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government"

( ProxyMusic )
The order is fantastic.

The language and reasoning shows that the attorneys who drafted it have paid close attention to the arguments that "gender critical feminists" and our allies have been putting forward for years now.

My mind is really blown by this. It's a MAJOR victory for our side.

( DonnaFemina )
Yeah, it really is a major victory. I mean, if we here at Ovarit had drafted an executive order for this purpose, this is pretty much what it would've said. (Side note, are there any Ovaristas on the Trump transition team? I wonder now.) So just, WOW. Absolutely awesome.

( Wokeuplate )
NGL, I got emotional reading this. I know, I know, TRUMP. But this is a return to sanity, and tonight I’m happy. (It’s funny because I’ve even posted here about disappointing final language in policies that give TRAs wiggle room, despite the clear intent to protect the female category. This document not only establishes the right policies, but does so with unambiguous language. So yeah, I’m thrilled, no notes.)

( Mizuna )
It might have Trump's signature on it, but you can tell that the anonymous author who actually wrote it is passionate about the issue and ready to fight. Obviously I'm happy for everyone that resisted the gender cult thus far, and got us to a point where we can start taking the offense against this destructive cult. But I'm also happy that whoever put together this massive gender critical Christmas present is having their moment and seeing their hard work come to fruition. Thank you, whoever you are.

( Spicymeatball )
It really shows just how far the left have fallen when it's up to world renowned liar, crook and rapist Donald Trump to reassert reality.

( SatanicPanic )
I feel exactly the way you do. I don't know who wrote this, but I want to hug them. This is fantastic and I can't even get mad that it's happening under Trump. This is on the Dems.

[...]

( Moonflower )
I for one am fine with “gender” going back to being synonymous with “sex” (as in biologically male / female) and anyone who wants a different term for the ideological junk can just say “sexist stereotype” and be honest about it.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

EXCLUSIVE: Trump’s New Executive Order on ‘Male and Female’

( Arenlaef )
Good. He couldn't care less about women or our rights, but he likes praise, and he knows this is the way to get the majority to support him. Democrats can seethe and whine all they want. They have no power. They told anyone critical of gender ideology that they weren't welcome in their "safe, loving and affirming" space. Well, this is where that got them.

( NastasyaFillipovna )
God please let them enforce this in universities, with prejudice. It made my life hell going against the genderwoo. Its worse bullying than highschool

( pennygadget )

God please let them enforce this in universities, with prejudice. It made my life hell going against the genderwoo. Its worse bullying than highschool

THIS! I want to see those bullies get a taste of their own medicine!

( worried19 )
Well, good. My hope is that we roll back all this nonsense, the country gets back to reality, and the Democrats learn a lesson in moderation before the next presidential election rolls around.

( Arenlaef )
Sadly, very few of them seem to be learning a thing. If anything their dedication to gender ideology seems even more enthusiastic since the election. Especially the young ones like AOC. She's going down with the ship.

If people like her are the future of the Democratic party, then I don't think they have a future. I'm certainly never going to cast a vote for someone like her.

( pennygadget )
Its so sad that many young Democrat women are willing to fall on the sword for men in drag. They're so dedicated to this cult that they're willing to burn down their careers AND the Democrat party in order to simp for them

But speaking of AOC, I eagerly await seeing her meltdown over this executive order 🤣

( Wsbfom01 )
Democrats have given him an “easy gain support” card on a silver platter and I hate it.

( OneStarWolf )
Yep. Dumbass dem leadership really decided to go with fetishy men and a pseudo religion over women’s rights and dignity. Assholes.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: EXCLUSIVE: Trump’s New Executive Order on ‘Male and Female’

( Hollyhock )
I'm so pissed the Dems had to go so off the fucking rails w/ gender ideology that we ended up w/ Trump. I mean, the man is simply ordering things that should have never changed and that were such common sense notions we never questioned them until around 2010ish when some narcissists got ahold of post-modern theorizing which would have been fine had it been a mere academic thought experiment but no, the pervs found a way to make it a religion.

( pennygadget )

The Executive Order ends the practice of housing men in women’s prisons and taxpayer funded “transition” for male prisoners.

This alone makes it worth it to have the orange goblin in the White House. No more throwing incarcerated women into rape cages and letting them get impregnated by felons claiming to be women just to get housed with their prey.

I hope this order opens the door for incarcerated and formerly incarcerated women to sue the prison system for damages if they were forced to share prison space with a man. And it hope it leads to us finding out the extent of how many women were assaulted, raped, impregnated, coerced into silence, coerced into abortions, etc when that insane trans policy was in effect

Also, I hope they can sue ACLU and bankrupt assholes like Chase Strangio who fought to institute the policy AND fought to cover up the inevitable results of said policy

( momofreyrella )
Yay!!! So they will remove the men from women's prisons?

( OneStarWolf )
Only federally controlled ones though. California and other TRA controlled states will continue to hurt and silence many women in prison.

( snails )
especially considering that rapists and domestic abusers, etc are housed in state prisons. that’s where the dangerous TIMs being housed with women will be.

federal prisons are more for white collar crimes like fraud or money laundering, or tax evasion.

( snails )
I’m really scared what Trump will do for things like abortion and LGB rights (that one justice hinted at overturning same-sex marriage after Roe v Wade was overturned)

but this does make me pretty happy, especially the protection in the workplace stuff.

what does this mean for women’s sports or women’s bathrooms?

pennygadget, momofreyrella & NO #transphobia ovarit.com

Female inmates say they fear transgender cellmates and urge Donald Trump to overturn 'unconstitutional policy' | Daily Mail Online

( pennygadget )
I hope he does. It'll be one of the few silver linings to come out of the clusterfuck that was the 2024 election

Also, the Republicans would be dumb to pass up this easy way to make themselves out to be pro-woman (while rightfully shaming Democrats for allowing this rapey policy to exist to begin with)

( momofreyrella )
He said he would protect women. Lets see if he keeps his word.

( NO )
All men who get transferred to women's prisons and have any accusation agaisnt them at all deserve solitary for life.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: "Do as I say, not as I do": Why I stopped believing ANYONE benefits from sex traits modification

( RappaccinisDaughter )
Wow. This post answered one of my main questions: "If transitioning is terrible for your health, mentally and physically, why don't more people detransition/why are so many trans people so happy?"

They're addicts. Good God. It makes so much sense. They're getting frequent hits of the attention and validation they crave, and if it stops, they'll feel even worse than before.

Yesterday I was reading a TIM saying he couldn't trust a relationship with a bisexual woman, and found the idea of a relationship with a lesbian more "validating". And I didn't get it. You're getting to have sex with a woman who's going along with your trans delusion, what do you care if she likes both sexes?

But it makes sense now. It's not about fulfilling his sexual desire for women nearly as much as it is fulfilling his addiction to "being" a woman. That's what he really craves. And he can't get it if he knows on the back of his mind his girlfriend also likes men.

( ValkyrieAtTheDisco )
The idea that there are 'happy trans' people strikes me to be as much of a myth as the 'happy hooker' myth. Sure, there are people who have yet to experience the worst harms of it, and people who have convinced themselves that they're fine in order to not face the reality of it, but the foundations of either situation and the beliefs that lead them to be possible are harmful. Misogyny is at the heart of both.

( TheKnitta )
The reality is that you cannot change sex. How anyone can claim to be genuinely happy while living a lie is beyond me. Every moment of the day, you’d have to check yourself to remind yourself to play act. Every look, every ‘mis’gendering would rankle so much. You’d be full of ire at the members of the sex you were emulating. Why do it to yourself?

( makeitmakesense )
They are high-functioning addicts. And yes the 'good' old schooltranssexuals are trying to criticize the overreaches of trans ideology, but still want to be 'affirmed' in their delusion. The author put it so much better. It is sad tho as I have a couple of trans Identified family members, and there really is no place for them in this new emerging gender critical world view. I think lots of people are going to think like the author of this post in years to come. [...]

pennygadget #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: dear "allies": this is how they view you.

This is what the handmaidens fail to understand. They don't get any grace or good girl points for being allies to men in drag. When these dudes succeed in their goals to subjugate women into a servant class for men; the female "trans allies" will be at the bottom rung of society along with us TERFs

TIMs don't respect a woman more for "being kind" and acting as a mouthpiece for gender ideology. On the contrary, they respect their handmaidens less because they can plainly see how servile and pathetic they are.

Pickles & VestalVirgin #transphobia ovarit.com

GOP lawmaker says trans bathroom ban must pass to stop lesbians from “getting off” in women’s room
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( Pickles )
Reddit commenters are having a normal one.

This should really tell the "LGB without the T" folks that their turn on the chopping block is coming. Once the right has decimated trans people, they'll come for us other gays too. Pushing the trans community in front of us in line for the meat grinder doesn't mean we aren't headed in there ourselves.

So he’s worried about lesbian women getting off to the sounds of other women in the bathroom? But what does that have to do with trans people….? And why is he only opposed to it happening with gay women in women’s washrooms? Is he just projecting and indirectly admitting that he masturbates in public bathroom stalls at work?

( VestalVirgin )
"Other gays"? Autogynephile men are not gay.

Did the reddit commenter only read the inaccurate headline? But if "trans women are women", he should have known exactly what "lesbians" have to do with trans people. (He knows that TIMs aren't women, so I guess that is why he was deceived by the headline. That, and he's an idiot. I knew immediately that it was "lesbians" ... because it would not be possible to ban actual lesbians from women's bathrooms.)

( Pickles )
Omg wow. I have seen some misleading titles in my day, but this one might take the cake. Rather than "GOP lawmaker says trans bathroom ban must pass to stop lesbians from “getting off” in women’s room", it should read "GOP lawmaker says providing women-only restrooms will stop some straight men from “getting off” in women’s room". What a damn doozy of a title.

Then there is this gem:

Hinkle then brought up a cisgender male janitor who would “go into women’s restrooms and sit and listen to women going potty because that is how he got off.” The implication being that lesbians shouldn’t be allowed to use the women’s restroom because they experience sexual pleasure from bathroom noises.

No, you absolute dish rag. The implication is that men shouldn't be allowed to use the women’s restroom because some of them experience sexual pleasure from bathroom noises.
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Arenlaef #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

RE: Discussion: Is the tide really turning?

If there's one thing I've learned about "progressive" elites, it's that they're never wrong. Ever. That's a hard group of people to debate with.

And sadly, these people are all journalists, academics and politicians. They hold a lot of power. They create the narrative. They're failing a bit, but make no mistake, we are at a massive disadvantage. They have Google turning up biased search results for them. They have Wikipedia pretending to be non-partisan but pushing their agenda. They have nearly the entirety of the entertainment industry in their palm. Virtually every celebrity young kids enjoy is out there praising gender ideology.

This will not be a quick fix. And in the end, it will likely be conservatives and heterodox men who receive the credit for defeating gender ideology. A lot of the women involved will likely remain cancelled. No one will remember why, just that hating women is really fucking fun.

Sorry to be depressing, but I think anyone saying stuff like "it's over" is being unrealistic or overly optimistic. Powerful people don't like being defeated.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: No, it's not "toxic on both sides."

( hellamomzilla )
Well said.

I would add that the critical side also simply says, “Leave kids alone and let their healthy bodies alone.” This used to be considered the gold standard — raising healthy children. Now you’re only a good parent if you agree to cancer drugs and wrong sex hormones and massive cosmetic surgery, all in the oxymoronic name of “authenticity.”

( DurableBook )
I had a reddit account banned because I said that I think children who express hatred of their bodies or their gender should be given comfort and helped to accept who they are, rather than being told that they should change themselves or their bodies in order to be happy. I was informed this is "conversion therapy rhetoric."

( Committing_Tervery )
I hate how they’ve co-opted that language. It’s the opposite of conversion therapy; it helps someone to be comfortable with who they are instead of trying to convert their body into something different.

( RusticTroglodyte )
It is so absurd and honestly shocking to me that so many ppl think it's just a-OK to tell a little kid they are so fundamentally flawed that they have to change themselves at all costs.

Only a fucking moron would think that stance is in any way healthy or helpful to an insecure child

( DurableBook )
They will be like, no no see the kid came to ME saying they hate their body! I was just AFFIRMING them!

So when your daughter comes to you saying she's fat and she hates herself, you plan to tell her that she is right to feel that way and not to worry because you can get her lipo and diet pills until she is thin, right?

( Althea )
I know, seriously. "Both sides need to stop being so extremist" - it's not extremist to think putting rapists in women's prisons is dangerous, FFS.

( RusticTroglodyte )
Exactly! The "extremist" position is calling men women and women men.

( Iceni )
If women could assemble and speak without the TRAs there wouldn't be any police presence at all. It's just men bullying, intimidating and attacking women. Women aren't doing that to men. Women are simply stating they want men out of their spaces. That the "trans child" phenomenon is not real.

Honestly the piece of garbage who was banging the cymbals in front of the horse should have been arrested.

Gwenllian & SanAntoneRose #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Infiltration by TRA...possible conspiracy?

( Gwenllian )
I agree with you. When we look closely at the trans ideology, it has been pushed from the top down and gained traction through the money of some very powerful rich white men. George Soros anyone?

It slid under the left wing, like a cuckoo's egg, hiding among the LGB and libfem chicks, oblivious to the enemy in their midst. But why are the elites, politicians and businesses promoting it so hard?

1. It divides the left and sows confusion, thereby reducing the likelihood of a strong contender to right wing polititions who have lost a lot of popularity following lockdown, cost of living crisis and exposed corruption.

2. It greases the wheels leading to a normalisation of pedophillia. There are a lot of powerful and influential men who would benefit from this.

3. It creates a group of vulnerable and easily manipulated people who are medicalised for life. These people are cash cows for the pharmaceutical industry which makes the rich men even richer.

4. Womenhood is promoted as a commodity that can be bought and the pornified view of women as objects and fuck holes is promoted. The old stereotypes are back and we aren't even allowed the language to argue against it. This rips back many of our hard fought for rights and benefits all men in general. How can women fight for their abortion rights when they can't even call themselves women? How can survivors of rape and domestic abuse recover when they are forced to have a male key worker? How can a female inmate reform and rehabilitate when she is being raped and assaulted every night by her male cellmate?

The whole thing is a money making scam cult and a men's rights movement.

( SanAntoneRose )
You brought up a point I wish I had mentioned about the MRA. The gender-identity view on women is very gender-essentialist; that women have specific traits and interests, and if a woman doesn't fit those, she must be a man or some weird non-binary thing. Suddenly, being a woman is all about hair, makeup, jewelry, all of the stereotypical things. It's old-school sexism with a modern twist.

SanAntoneRose, Mizuna & Wristfevers #conspiracy #transphobia ovarit.com

( SanAntoneRose )
Infiltration by TRA...possible conspiracy?
This is a thought that has been going through my brain for a while now, and I'm curious to know if anybody feels the same way.

Sometimes I believe that the current gender-identity movement has purposely infiltrated the current left-wing by way of controlled opposition. I have no evidence for this, but I do know that it was in part started for the interest of big money. Who, other than those who are in it for the money, benefits from this ideology? The left is now discredited for a lot of people because of them embracing this issue. If said controlled opposition could get people away from the left, they could get their way on other topics; say, climate change or abortion.

And I'm aware that I do sound crazy, but I can't shake the feeling that there's something going on behind the scenes. It's not just the Democratic establishment, it's extended to unrelated organizations; I've seen anti-war organizations bow down to the transgenders, something that ticks me off to no end. Of course, if this is true, it shows a certain level of cowardness from current Democrats that they've just let them in. There are other reasons why people are bowing to it, such as not wanting to get bullied for bucking the line. Still...it's very weird and I haven't found anything to back this up yet, but it's also tricky because there are a million possible explanations for this.

( Mizuna )
IMO, it's a combination of a lot of things.

Transgender ideology is deliberately being used as a quiet eugenics program.

Transgender ideology is being promoted by military adversaries who seek to destabilize NATO countries.

It's part of a long-term goal of normalizing pedophilia.

It's the very early stages of a long-term goal toward transhumanism.

All but #3 benefit the government and military, and you could chalk up #3 to the Epstein-types in powerful positions.

( Wristfevers )
No no no you are onto something. Tims are pushing themselves into women's spaces, and young girls are coerced into transing themselves. All the patriarchal and conservative sex stereotypes are being pushed back into leftists spheres.


TheSimbul, WinterWitch & Wristfevers #kinkshaming #transphobia ovarit.com

Genital fetish uwu
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( TheSimbul )
The phrase kink-shaming should never be used.

People are going to judge you on your sexual habits. Get over it.

( WinterWitch )
If you are going to try and force other people to participate in your kink they get to judge you for it. Don’t want to be judged? Keep it in your own home.

( Wristfevers )
Kinkshaming and refering to ppl depending on their sex assigned at birth is my kink and if you don't like it then you are a hater, a bigot, you have cooties and stop genociding mee. UwU.

Understanderson & Persimmon64 #transphobia ovarit.com

( Understanderson )
Concise TERF creed
I spent some time this morning trying to distill down what TERFs want into something minimal and easy to communicate. Let me know if anything key here is missing.

There's nothing about kids or medicalization because I think the fourth point covers that. If women, lesbians and gays, parents, and detransitioners were unmuzzled, the medical crisis would end.

The fourth point also covers TIFs and female non-binaries. They're not a pressing concern for me, and just being able to talk openly about what's going on there will probably be enough.

TERF Creed

1. Women are entitled to our own identity. Males claiming to be women are appropriating our identity.

2. Women’s rights, spaces, institutions, sports, quotas, and honors are for women only, not males claiming to be women/non-binary.

3. Males claiming to be women/non-binary must negotiate with other males for acceptance, space, and accommodations. Trans-identified male and male non-binary are recognized as variant male identities.

4. People have a right to publicly criticize trans ideology, pro-trans organizations, captured institutions, and trans advocates for sexism, misogyny, homophobia, and identity appropriation.

NOTE: Edited to change "men" to "males."

( Persimmon64 )
This is pretty close to it in a nutshell, but I wouldn't use the word "TERF". I'm not "trans exclusionary" because I don't believe there actually is such a thing. I'm "male" exclusionary.

TERFs or far-right white nationalists?

They're the same picture.

various commenters #racist ovarit.com

RE: The Welsh Refugee Counsel used 12 year old schoolgirls to entice migrants to come to Wales

( nopenottoday )
It's genocide of native European populations. And I'm sure many people are getting paid off to assist

( Carrots90 )
My Russian husband thinks it’s a way to bring in authoritarian government

Flood the West with people who are accustomed to harsh/corrupt/dysfunctional governance and ‘manage expectations’. As long as it’s better than what the migrants are leaving from, they will be more likely to accept it. And it has to be fast. The older migrants adjusted to the west. Rapid immigration won’t risk assimilation or inter community harmony

Undo feminism, gay rights, personal liberties, etc

( pennygadget )

There must be some financial gain to someones high up. This is not out of control wokeness or an excess of compassion.

They are actively trying to attract migrants, there must be a benefit. This isn’t just kindness

The theory is that they're bringing them in for cheap labor. But that doesn't track because these migrants almost certainly consume more taxpayer money and resources than they contribute

( asmahan )
I think "they" are just trying to balkanize countries and destroy/eliminate common cultural touchstones and heritage. So the country is weakened from within by partisan in-fighting and multicultural strife. Makes them easy pickings for..... whatever you want really.

( NastasyaFillipovna )
So kinda looks like those Pakistani Rape Gangs are a feature, not a bug in their books. I wonder why.

( Disappearanceoftheychromosomer )
Reasons I can come up with:

1. Immigration lowers wages.
2. If you get a lot of immigrants to a historically oppressed nation between a country you can surpress its peculiarities and stop and independentist sentiment from forming.
3. Immigration creates divisions and conflicts between the working class.
4. Immigration lowers political standarts of living.
5. They want to normalize pedophilia.
6. They want society to be more divided, political and cold in general. They want no trust between us so we are forced to trust them.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Zuckerberg changes policy: Gender Critical views now allowed on Meta; Federal court strikes down Biden Title IX rewrite

( JACKANDJILL )
The cult continues to collapse.

The real nail in the coffin will be after some of these detransitioner lawsuits finally reach a jury.

( NO )
I bet the gender people are all now screaming and crying and literally shaking.

This is what happens when you step on people's rights. This is what happens when you ignore people asking you to stop violating boundaries.

YOU ARE the white people telling black people that they can't gather.

YOU ARE the racists telling women they are not qualified to make decisions.

That is you.

( bunyip )
There are a bunch of men on /r/TwoXChromosomes whining about how social media is supporting hate speech now, associating it with Project 2025 and a far right movement to oppress anyone who isn't a white Christian man.

They're actually comparing women being allowed to disagree with them to Nazism. Just shameless.

Almost every comment in there under this topic is made by a man. At least there is one man there who recognizes it was a mistake to fight for men in women's sports since that turned the public against them.

( BehindtheCurtain )
It's funny because the left is framing the meta changes as "Facebook has removed fact checking and hate speech will be permitted"

( danaseilhan )
The left never had anything to do with any of this. Gender identity is a RIGHT-WING concept: it entrenches sexism and homophobia and it is woowoo as hell. Marx knew what a woman is.

It's maddening to me because I cannot get otherwise well-meaning people off this "the left got us into this mess" bullshit. It's going to get leftists assaulted or worse. I'm surprised it's not happening already.

I know a leftist Canadian politician who calls himself an "old-growth leftist" but really, he's just a leftist, and I'm furious that we got dragged into this when we were the ones being canceled in the first place for not caving in to the gender madness.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Biden protections for transgender students struck down by US judge

( NO )
You mean privileges

( overanddone )
“Biden’s demolition of women’s rights struck down by US judge”

( JACKANDJILL )
Biden's removal of rape protections for female students struck down by US judge.

( StrawberryCough )
I'm so thankful for the legal team that took this to the finish line. May every traffic light be green for you, and may spam never darken your inbox.

( OneStarWolf )
So tired of these weasel written headlines. It was struck down to protect the rights of women and girls in education based on our sex, not subjective bullshit like “gender identity”.

( starlight_chaser )
Nice, so his last days in office are being wasted trying to push pointless, wasteful trans bs that they know will be struck down, instead of something more substantial. I didn't expect differently... No doubt reactionary to Trump being elected, but wouldn't it be more meaningful to work on something related to women's rights and oppression, you know the biological reality of 50% of the population, rather than "protections"/privileges for something as arbitrary as "gender identity".

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

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( klytaimestra )
I don't need to figure out what being a woman means to me. Just like I don't need to figure out what having two arms means to me.

And, yes, I am superior to delusional, misogynist porn addicts. That doesn't need much figuring out either.

( OverTheWall )
It’s funny that he thinks actually women are concerned about our “gender identity” we don’t have one. We’re real biological women. Whether we’re “hairy” or don’t fit into gender stereotypes we’re still women. It’s not a made up identity it’s reality.

Trans women have nothing but surgery, consumerism, and misogynistic stereotypes. That is their existence.

And as men, trans”women” will never be allies. So no I won’t be called “cis”, by some creepy pervert.

( Persimmon64 )
Fellas, fellas,

You aren't describing different types of dogs. What you're doing is claiming that some cats are types of dogs as well.

Nope, no, uh-huh.

We're not having it. It doesn't come from fear. It doesn't come from insecurity. It comes from the fact that you're a porn-soaked, mysogynistic pig of a man who wants to control women's words, behaviors, and even the language we can use for ourselves.

Womanhood isn't something you fight for. It isn't something you can "attain." It isn't something praiseworthy or admirable. It isn't an accomplishment or a badge if honor. It's just our daily reality and something you are not and never will be a part of.

We know that since you're men you have a hard time taking "no" from women as an answer, but you really need to "do better".

( MaryDyer )
We don’t think we’re “superior” to transwomen, since transwomen ARE NOT women.

( ByzantineOtter )
I mean, I think we're superior to so-called transwomen...

(but then, I also think men who don't go around in fetish gear 24/7 are superior to TIMs. As are children. And babies. So there's no undue pride there)

( Committing_Tervery )
Just because they’re men doesn’t mean we aren’t superior to them, though. We absolutely are.

( hellamomzilla )
No, sir. None of you are any type of woman. All of you are men. Full stop. And if anyone is behaving out of superiority it is for sure the men who think they can just SAY that they’re women and then tell women that understanding human biology is hurtful TO MEN.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

But I thought trans women were women?
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( Committing_Tervery )
I’m so sick of them appropriating the ‘closet’ from gay & bi people. Grrrrrrr.

( cosmiamoth )
If you were a woman you wouldn't need to 'come out' you would simply just be one.

( overanddone )
he wants the token roses one day of the year from his misogynist boss.

He's not satisfied with trans day of awareness, Pride Month, Pride parades, and, oh yeah, transgender awareness month

And, for the record, if I type transwoman into goolge, it changes it to trans woman. Fuck you google.

( DietCokeAddict )
They really think all women are just living the easy life, don’t they? I have no idea what being “celebrated as a woman” would entail but I don’t think it happens to any woman I know.

( ChoppedUpNotKilled )
This was posted on Womens' Day

( DietCokeAddict )
Urgh of course it was - they always make Women’s day all about them somehow.

( SnowWhite )
What do they even wanna celebrate? Men have never had to fight for their rights. Strangely there are no TIM's in middle-east, so it looks like they won't have to fight for it any time soon either.

( Wristfevers )
Tims know they are not women. That's the whole point.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

She won't comply
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( NastasyaFillipovna )
Only her and Elon are among the rich af category who are openly against this ideology

( RighteousIndignation )
one of Elons many kids is a transformer, I don't think he'd be so vocal if that wasn't the case, skin in the game.

( VestalVirgin )
Perhaps. Though Musk's son is one of the rare TIMs I have some pity for; if you were custom-made for a man obsessed with spreading his subpar male genes, then I guess getting castrated is a way of taking back your agency.

( NastasyaFillipovna )
Even billionaires can't protect their kids from T ideology now

( Ptarmagant )
No kidding! What kind of freak would say (write) that out loud?!

( viscerally )
I think many of them are saying “if I had your wealth I wouldn’t spread the shit and hatred you do”! but it boils down to the same thing.

( VestalVirgin )
Yeah, I think she translated it a bit, but ... same thing, really.

"If I was a millionaire, I would support trans rights" = "If I was a millionaire, I would support putting bepenised rapists in women's prisons" ... yeah, not something any sane person would boast about.

( Womanwithopinions )
I have had multiple women tell me that they don't care or concern themselves with these laws or conflicts. They say it with pride, sometimes scoffing as if that makes them somehow better than me. I think part of it is a response to trauma. It's very annoying and sad though.

( viscerally )
Oh yes, I’ve had women tell me they’d rather be harassed in bathrooms than have poor twans people commit suicide boohoo. I’m just pointing out that I don’t think any of these people actually wrote that they wouldn’t care about women’s rights if they were rich, just that they wouldn’t be transphobes etc etc. And, of course, it’s the same thing. Being pro-women and girls is transphobic according to today’s consensus.

Pretty sure most of those people wouldn’t care about anyone other than themselves if they had even a percentage of wealth JK has, which goes to show what a great human she is.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

The new woke homophobia and conversion therapy
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( TheKnitta )
Fuck the humans rights of a man lairily claiming to be a lesbian to get sex. I don’t care if that makes me literally Hitler. Men and their endless dick needs can fuck off. Women and children owe them nothing.

Human rights my arse.

( Unicorn )
I just realized they have to use cartoons for these propaganda posters, because showing a real picture of a TIM and a woman holding hands would make it super obvious what a clown show transgender ideology is.

( notsofreshfeeling )
For one brief moment in history, society dared call out the privilege enjoyed by straight white men, and all these men had to do in response was to re-brand themselves with pronouns, unleashing a sexist, homophobic backlash like no other.

( crodish )
Cool then why don't they all meet up for totally lesbo orgies and suck each others' girlcocks off and pound each other's bussies.

Leave lesbians alone.

Fucking shame that UN logo on it. Coercing lesbians to like dick isn't a fucking human right. Neither is insisting that males can be females.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( HipparchiaTheCynic )
JK Rowling the Holocaust Denier... 🙄
Anyone else seeing the claims JK is a holocaust denier now? It comes from this tweet she made:

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1767912990366388735

TRAs are going crazy and claiming the nazi persecuted Trans people...

She quote tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1767928717538644460

Which disproves the claims, guess what? The nazis were okay with Trans people, what they didn't like was (tell me if you've heard this one before) gay men and lesbian women!

( sanitycheck )
Its not denying the holocaust to say that it was focussed primarily on the murder of Jews. That was the whole thing. Trans didnt even exist as a concept at the time. No Nazi laws mention trans. And its certainly not clear that if "trans" people were imprisoned/ murdered it was solely because of their "transness". The Nazis kept meticulous records- its like the thing theyre known for- If there was proof of this trans holocaust I think it would be a lot more and very obvious.

i think some of those posts are gettting deleted because people worry she will sue them. which she should.

( Every-Man-His-Own-Football )
One point I disagree with in the thread is the description of Einar Wegener as a "troubled patient". He was an AGP. What differentiates him from modern AGPs, asking for an uterus transplant, is that he got surgeons unscrupulous enough to actually attempt it. Also like a typical AGP he forced his wife to cover part of the cost of the surgeries by threatening suicide.

( Ishahchai )
Gosh, the Nazis couldn’t have possibly attacked Hirschfeld’s center because he was a gay Jew. It was obviously entirely about the trans folx, even though they were only one small part of it.

There is truly nothing that they won’t find a way in which to center themselves. Hirschfeld was primarily concerned with the rights of gay men, and his own work is based off TIMs being a subset of gay men. The modern narrative of him running the first trans clinic is just as faulty as the narrative of MPJ throwing the brick at Stonewall. It’s rewriting the actual stories of the dead for an audience too lazy and entitled to factcheck. Fuck that twice as much for qWeRiNg the Holocaust right now, as Jews around the world are dealing with a rising swell of antisemitism.

various commenters #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

2X poster gets a little too close to the sun; thread gets locked.
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( Alceriniel )
Please say it with me until it fully sinks in:

"Gay men are not allies to women just because some of them are bottoms."

Gay men are still men. They would happily throw you under the bus if it got them a leg up in the world. Look at what they did to lesbians when the gender insanity started. It wasn't until the mob started going after THEM for not sleeping with TIFs that they started speaking up.

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
I think what that gay man and all AGPs and incels have in common is deep envy of how sexually desirable women are to men. They wish to be sexually desirable to that degree because sex is such a priority to them. But that’s inherently a male desire because women are much less driven by sex so if we aren’t desirable it’s not the end of the world.

Men really do go through extremely maladaptive strategies to cope with their womb envy.

( PracticalMagic )
Gay men say that when they think a man they like is paying you too much attention. It often also goes with "more of a man than you'll ever have".

Tldr: jealous.

( syntaxerror )
A lot of gay men want to date straight men. By this I mean that they want to date non effeminate men who aren’t too deep into the culture or community, because that comes with a host of expectations and… personality quirks.

They want to date men who will treat them like women, or at least how they perceive women are treated. Precious princesses who are cared for and doted on and fucked by strong protectors with big dicks.

As a result of this, a lot of them get bitter and hateful towards women, especially women who don’t “try as hard” as they do with femininity and yet still get straight men. Because straight men don’t want feminine men, they want women.

And I’m not just making this up, this is something you hear in the gay community a lot.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

"How do I stop my trans 4 yo telling everyone she used to be a boy?"
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( SamanthaK )
This person needs to tell their child they are a boy but they can like whatever they like and love whoever they want. They are, however, a boy. Detransition this kiddo ASAP before too much damage is done. This was ALL the mom wanting to be progressive.

( pennygadget )
Jesus Christ. FOUR years old! And the adults around him are celebrating his mother putting him on the path to permanent mental illness and castration

I'm glad her son blurts out her secret. She SHOULD feel ashamed walking around in public while abusing her son

( puppy_cat )
It's so painfully obvious this is a very little kid who thinks simply wearing a dress makes him a girl and treats it like a little fun game that he wants to tell people about (as little kids do when they find something "cool"). And that he's also essentially treating it as little kids who think they're dinosaurs or trucks blurt this out to people. But of course he doesn't have any abstract reasoning to understand that his parent is a raging lunatic that is planning on sterilizing him eventually, because once those magic words "I'm a girl!" come out, the transhausen parents shift into gear immediately instead of acknowledging it as any other "I'm a dinosaur" "I'm a cat" "I'm Superman" make-believe all kids do.

( NastasyaFillipovna )
How is this not CHILD ABUSE ? My god the west made ungoldy advancements in medical science in the last 100 years, for this?

flyingteapot, Mandy & crispycherrypie #transphobia ovarit.com

Not sterilizing kids and stunting their growth is genocide
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( flyingteapot )
Truly, why do they think people want them dead? Someone who is probably a fully intact male goes by "she/her maybe they/them" online thinks this means there are hordes of people trying to murder him? Like... what? Even rabid conservatives who are misanthropes and think society is crumbling, don't even know these people exist much less put effort into wanting them dead.

I guess TIPs really need this to be true because they cannot accept the worse reality for them which is that everyone wants them to shut the fuck up because they're annoying.

( Mandy )
They want to be the ultimate victim and stand at the pinnacle of Victimhood Mountain.

( crispycherrypie )
I didn't realize not putting kids on terminal prostate cancer drugs was genocide.

These idiots really do believe that not sterilizing children is genocide. And here I thought preventing an entire group of people from having children was one of the actual signs of genocide, silly me!

iCONIC #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The End of the Transgender Craze is Near


So long as humanity exists, the adherents of gender identity religion will proselytize and indoctrinate new members into their belief system

The concept of gender identity is not novel; rather, it finds its antecedents in ancient societies that ascribed "third genders" to people who did not conform to traditional gender norms

Modern transgenderism, bearing similarities to its predecessors, has adopted an even more contentious form, demonstrating the potential for these beliefs to become increasingly detached from empirical reality

It is with a sense of pessimistic resignation that I recognize the enduring prevalence of absurd, religious beliefs. The human mind is prone to superstition. It attempts to discern some semblance of purpose and significance within the purposeless, insignificant expanse of existence. Some form of gender identity belief system will endure, metamorphosing and (d)evolving with the passage of time

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Children to no longer be prescribed puberty blockers, NHS England confirms | UK News | Sky News

( Committing_Tervery )
One step closer to this abusive practice being ended completely. I just wish it wasn’t still available in a trial!

( BondiBlue )
Next stop: abolish “social transition,” the gateway drug. It’s a lie. You can be a sensitive boy or a rough-and-tumble girl. It doesn’t make you the opposite sex, and there’s no such thing as “non-binary.”

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( Lynch )
Yes the concept of "gender identity" needs to be entirely discredited and discarded. It is upon what the whole gender affirming model is based.

( Wristfevers )
Gender identity concept stems from patriarchy, and needs to be dismantled alongside it.

( Unicorn )

You can be a sensitive boy or a rough-and-tumble girl. It doesn’t make you the opposite sex, and there’s no such thing as “non-binary.”

When my TIF little sister was trying to make me accept her "boy" identity and I kept refusing and pointing out a girl can look and act in any way including how boys stereotypically look and act, she started "teenager whining" and said "but I don't want to be a masculine girl, I want to be a feminine boooyyyyyuhhhhh!!"

Like... what..? You literally can't? Ever? What is even going on at this point?

So I honestly have no clue what kind of lunacy the younger generations have been consuming through the social media and unfettered internet access.

( Arenlaef )
In 2040 when this is all over, I swear to God I will never let anyone forget that people were trying to convince us that being on the right side of history involved drugging and mutilating kids for the crime of being gender non-conforming and maybe gay or lesbian.

( AsterRising )
Vindication at last. I know the battle is far from over, but I'm so fucking proud of the women who were willing to lose everything to speak the truth. Every victory matters, and it's amazing that vulnerable kids will be more protected from this butchery than they once were. I'm waiting for the day we start debating jail sentences for the doctors who committed these atrocities

AtropaBelladonna, VestalVirgin & YesYourNigel #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Study finds that suicide attempts double for men after having "vaginoplasty"

( AtropaBelladonna )
These days it seems like mostly HSTS get “the surgery”. It’s a little sad that somewhere along the line they were failed in getting the help they needed to accept themselves as gay men.

AGP’s that get it, regret it, and end it? To quote the tired old cliche, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Although they may not be quite as dangerous as the intact “transbians”, their exits probably makes the world a little safer for women and children.

( VestalVirgin )
People are more likely to commit suicide after their genitals were mutilated. How surprising. Not.

(I do actually wonder why the effect was not observed after phalloplasty. Women being more mentallly stable? It isn't as if the fake dicks don't rot and fall off. Though of course it could also be to do with the fact that TIFs aren't as misandrist as TIMs are misogynist, and don't expect an actual penis, whereas the TIMs think their fauxgina will be not as good, but even better than the real thing. Which of course leads to bitter disappointement.)

( YesYourNigel )

TIFs aren't as misandrist as TIMs are misogynist, and don't expect an actual penis

It always struck me that TIMs are defined by playing out femininity, whereas TIFs are defined as escaping femininity (rather than taking on masculinity). Hatred of women underlines both, whereas the only hatred of men you might see is TIMs being angry that men are deformed monstrosities because they don't have the perfect bodies of underage anime schoolgirls...which just turns back into being misogyny again.

littleowl12 #transphobia ovarit.com

“The pendulum didn’t swing—this was a battle, hard fought”


What's sad is that they are still allowing treatment for children already on puberty blockers. What this says to me? "For the sake of convenience, we won't save these particular children." And because capitalism must never, EVER be impeded, parents can still get their kids on puberty blockers through private clinics.

Transition treatments should be seen for what they are- the equivalent of lobotomies.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

How to support my son, who is actually my daughter who I put on testosterone when she was 13 yrs old.
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( Committing_Tervery )
CHILD ABUSER. Shame on this shitty parent.

( LunarMoose )
I'm pretty sure she's going to find a way to get an illegal script or drugs.

But reading this - my first thought was omg - this is awesome. That child will have a puberty and be saved from lifelong sexual dysfunction.

I have my fingers crossed. Please, Mom. Do nothing.

( Sadeyedlady )
No, clearly YOU don’t give a single fuck about your “son’s” mental health. If you did, maybe you would get her psychiatric help instead of TESTOSTERONE. Although as many people here have pointed out, a lot of therapists push this gender bs too so therapy may not actually help.

( MaryDyer )
If your teenage DAUGHTER is in hysterics and mentally circling the drain because she no longer has access to powerful, potent MALE sex hormones to rub on her body, then she needs to see a psychiatrist.

( Forestandthetrees )
Why? She’s likely been taught that she’ll probably kill herself if she doesn’t take her testosterone. She needs adults to stop lying her, crying in this situation makes complete sense given the very mainstream things she’s been told about herself.

( tuff_terfies )
Will someone please post all the studies we have here about how more suicides happen AFTER TRANSITION to give this woman a head's up? She needs to be warned. Also, her daughter is clearly addicted to T. If it was opioids her daughter was crying over, would she still be so eager to get her the meds prescribed to her daughter? It is an addiction, pure and simple. It alters her brain chemistry unnecessarily and willingly. How is that not addiction?

( Every-Man-His-Own-Football )
It would be great if there were any studies comparing trans-HRT for gender dysphoria against placebo, because the "life-saving" effect of testosterone here seems wildly overstated. Besides, there are plenty of long-term complications. I suspect many troubled teens would react positively if they were told an ointment and therapy program is going to solve all of their problems.

YesYourNigel, CupOfAbominations & Committing_Tervery #transphobia ovarit.com

( YesYourNigel )
Misogyny biting TIPs in the ass
I'm wondering what are some of the nice karma-rific instances of trans folks trying to gender-validate themselves with misogyny, and then get bit in the ass when it turns out that said misogyny can be used against them. Bonus points if they try to cover their ass from the unfortunate implications or accusations of bigotry by excusing it with dysphoria/transphobia (aka it's not actually misogynistic because I have more oppression points than you, there!).

Example: The archaic af idea of blue and pink brains being turned against trans people with the suggestion that their brains should then get scanned to check if they're trans. Cue trans people having an identity crisis.

Second example was seeing a TIF claim that she liked to quote misogynistic BS against women until she heard "penis envy" being used against women, because that meant that it was normal for women to want a penis, and that just makes her feel sooo dysphoric and invalidated as a not-like-other-girls. Who'd've thought that men having their heads up their asses and pushing their dick-worshipping everywhere might not give you a free pass just because you have he/him pronouns?

( CupOfAbominations )
Oooh, I love when they realize that their "transwomen are women therefore lesbians need to suck my girldick! Your genital preference is transphobic!" logic can be turned around and pushed onto them, too, so they'll twist themselves into a pretzel trying to justify their own ""genital preference"" with "ermmm ermmmm but I'M only attracted to cis girls because being with other trans women makes me dysphoric!!!" and it's very obvious they don't actually see other TIMs as women

( Committing_Tervery )
Well, one example I can think of is that TIPs’ misogyny (especially TIMs) peaks people daily. I peaked from seeing the lesbophobia on actuallesbians and haven’t looked back since! So they’re definitely hurting their own cause in that way. They peak more people than we ever could on our own.

NastasyaFillipovna, TheKnitta & pennygadget #transphobia ovarit.com

“Puberty blockers are basic healthcare therefore GENOCIDEEEEE!”
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( NastasyaFillipovna )
My dad ( totally GC btw ) says the Ts can't reproduce, so they have to recruit someone somehow. And they are pedos, because a normal adult wouldn't touch them even with a 10 foot pole.

They have to induct little children into their cult because once they are of age, nobody would buy into their ideology, unless they are AGP or fetishists

( TheKnitta )
Oh for the love of god, stfu about your pretend genocide, you victim tourist assholes. You’re grown adults whining that you can’t pressure kids into fucking their bodies up to prove you should be allowed to wank off in the women’s changing rooms. Take a good look at yourselves and find some shame.

Fucking ‘genocide’, when entire governments and media empires support these tossers. The gall of these pricks.

( pennygadget )
This language is deliberate. They cry "TRANS PEOPLE ARE BEING DENIED HEALTH CARE!!!" because they want people to think that TIPs are being prevented from getting vaccines and antibiotics in addition to not getting their blockers & hormones

Also, if not having easy access to medication is "genocide", than pretty much everyone who requires medication for a chronic condition is being genocided right now. I was genocided when my endocrinologist required a blood test before refilling my thyroid medication last week. My father is genocided every time he needs to pay for insulin. People who go bankrupt paying for cancer treatment are being genocided (honestly, i wouldn't blame those people for accusing the medical system of violence against them because medical debt is crushing)

MarthaMMC, Wsbfom01 & Lipsy #transphobia ovarit.com

Florida settles 'Don't Say Gay' bill lawsuit in deal Gov. Ron DeSantis claims is a 'major win' for his conservative agenda - as teachers are given new guidelines for discussing sexual orientation and gender ID in classrooms | Daily Mail Online

( MarthaMMC )
The reason this was even made a law was because schools & teachers were indoctrinating kids into an unproven, inaccurate, reality denying cult belief.

( Wsbfom01 )
This is the LGB suffering from the actions of the TQ+

( Lipsy )
Gotta love that forced teaming, huh. These ghouls know exactly what they're doing.
They're well aware that TQ+ initiatives have alws been unpopular (and are only becoming more so as pieces of damning information actually start to break through), so... absolutely every single time the lobby plays the oh-poor-me victim card, they mention ONLY the LGB part—i.e., the cause whose campaigners actually managed to eke out decades of successive teeny tiny victories in securing public goodwill and acceptance.
Of course they NEVER ever ever play that card for the TQ+ side, especially not when any legislation is passed to protect kids from harm. Why's that? They know all too well that the public will breathe a collective sigh of relief and say, "Good."

These complicit MSM headlines are doing the same thing, and it's really getting fucking old.
"Don't Say Gay"
...uhhuh. But you're not going to mention that the law is also—in fact, it's primarily—"Don't Say Trans", for DAMN good and damn urgent safeguarding reasons. It's not the LGB whose wraithlike skeleton hands are reaching out to grab younger and younger and younger kids.

(All of these various ways to lie and mislead have been carefully planned out right from the start, btw. See, for instance, points 6-7 on pages 19-20 of the infamous Dentons/Reuters project doc for TRAs, where the forced teaming technique is just put right out there almost like a formula.
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"Trans rights" has alws been such an above-board, not at all sinister, totally genuine civil rights cause, hasn't it. 🤮 I hate these people so much.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

NY Post: Trump vows to stop 'transgender lunacy,' only recognize two genders

( StrawberryCough )
Just hope this doesn't go the way of his promise to "lock her up" and "drain the swamp". He's exactly the kind of man who broadcasts the fact that he is lying by moving his mouth.

( OwnLyingEyes )
Agreed. Time will tell. The only reason I put a little stock into the possibility he'll actually do something about this is he actually did act on this somewhat during his first term when it was less of a slam dunk in the political landscape at the time, and he knows it's an easy way to score a lot of points at very little personal expense now.

( pennygadget )
We'll see if he keeps this promise after people like the Pritzkers inevitably start kissing his ass and giving the GOP money in exchange for supporting "trans rights"

( movementandarts )
Has anyone seen the speech on this? It is the oddest thing. Trump says things like

"We are going to keep men out of women's sports"
"There are only two genders"
"We will not teach transgenderism in kids schools"

and he gets standing ovation.

Standing ovations and wild applause for stating the most basic of facts that 80% of people already agree with and was normal until around 2015. Strange times. Or maybe I am just old.

( Mizuna )
I'm glad that he correctly called it child sexual mutilation.

( DreamingofAppleTea )
Related question

If his policies do get enacted on day 1, would this prevent people from putting "X" gender markers or whatever other custom thing on their passports? My mother printed out the application forms yesterday and I saw all this stuff on there. Feels rather devious.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( DonnaMme )
Pink Turns Red
Pink Magazine published a brief article expressing their outrage that JK Rowling would dare to write "seemingly sarcaastically" about the rules of transgender grammar. There is a thread on Ovarit which includes what JK Rowling wrote and it is hilarious. But how dare CIS people crack a joke or smile. There is nothing funny about anything according to the article:

Broadcaster Narinder Kaur, who also appeared on the reality TV show Big Brother, wrote it was “sad” that Rowling “chose to pick on” an “already very demonised group of people”.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/03/11/jk-rowling-mothers-day-gender-neutral-inclusive-language/

( realityismykink )
Headline: 'WE'RE BEING DEMONIZED," WHINE DEMONS

( crodish )
They are demonized for a reason and they can go fuck themselves.

JKR tweets "Birthing Person" as tongue in cheek and gets death threats to be skinned and flayed alive from a moid with a TRA flag in his handle. But she's the hateful one.

Fucking WAKE UP to the cannibalism within your ranks.

( pennygadget )

They are demonized for a reason and they can go fuck themselves.

THIS! Women have every reason to demonize these men. They have actively stripped away DECADES of women's rights activism and have allowed women to be raped in places like bathrooms and prisons. They have colonized and destroyed legacy women's organizations like Planned Parenthood and NARAL and NOW. They have taken Title IX from us.

And these men and their emotional support handmaidens have the fucking nerve to act as if THEY are the marginalized ones!? They can fuck right off!

( pennygadget )

Broadcaster Narinder Kaur, who also appeared on the reality TV show Big Brother, wrote it was “sad” that Rowling “chose to pick on” an “already very demonised group of people”.

Ah yes. The most oppressed group of people: whiney White men. 🤣

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Harris campaign advisor abandons Democrats: "I want to be a part of the team that says men are men and women are women"

( floral )
They really are chasing so many people away on a fringe issue that is losing popularity by the day. And they’ll cling to it and say things like they’d rather be with the people against Hitler than the majority supporting him like it’s the same thing. It’s not. I can never go right wing but god knows I am politically homeless now because I refuse to engage with that nonsense.

( DurableBook )

I can never go right wing but god knows I am politically homeless now because I refuse to engage with that nonsense.

I reject it because I can never go right wing. Transgenderism is right wing. It is conservative--it completely upholds the status quo and reflects existing sex roles and gender hierarchy--and demands completely free enterprise and a totally private ownership model in regards to anything trans related. FFS they literally refer to humans as "[body part] owners".

TRAs are socially conservative arch capitalists who openly advocate the suppression of free speech and the violent suppression of dissent, they are legit as far to the right as one can get.

( real_feminist )
Good for her for speaking up!

I don't appreciate that she is saying that she's being pushed 'right'. That feeds the false dichotomy. I really, really wish people would start acknowledging that the Democrats have lost their way and no longer represent the 'left'. That's the path that will peak people and make this end.

( pennygadget )
I get where you're coming from. But, for someone who wants to be politically active in American politics, I can understand why they would feel "pushed to the right" when all the mainstream left/democrat groups have told them to fuck off because they expressed a mildly offbeat opinion. Especially for someone like Lindy Li who's entire career is politics (so her only reliable career path is working for either the Democrats or Republicans)

And this is compounded by the fact that, as a general rule, conservative/republican spaces are far more tolerant and welcoming towards people who don't perfectly align with the popular conservative dogma. Whereas leftie spaces will call you a nazi if you put out a press release that says "transwoman" instead of "trans-woman".

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