Every single instance of fascism in history was brought in by liberal capitalists to crush working class dissent that challenged Capital. Ultimately, fascism was an extreme reaction to the rise of Leninism in Europe post-WWI, and it served the purpose of restoring order for the capitalists when liberals failed to control the chaos and riots in the wake of workers uprising.
For the libs, fascists are necessary evil to restore order in the country. While not explicitly stating their support, their silence in complicity under fascist rule gives away where their allegiance lies.
On the other hand, Socialism serves working class movements, and will always be the enemy.
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While yes, capitalists often aligned themselves with fascists for multiple reasons (and crushing socialist movements was certainly among those reasons), ultimately the two groups don’t align well, and if we take the Nazis as an example, they always thought that liberal capitalism was a modern degeneracy created by the jews just like socialism (don’t try to make sense out of it).
Capitalists certainly were often complicit in fascist rule, my great-grandfather was a weapon manufacturer who definitely worked quite well with the Nazis for example. But I wouldn’t say that that’s the case for liberal capitalists in general.
I would also argue that fascism is NOT a reaction to Leninism, its roots are more ingrained in the wish of many people at the time for strong national identities and leadership in the wake of the dissolution of the monarchy (at least that was the case in the Weimar Republic). Its rise had more to do with the middle class anxiety about losing their status and becoming part of the lower class than it had to do with socialists.
That said, while this poster definitely has some very strong and a bit baseless opinions, I don’t quite see what makes him a moonbat or quote-worthy here. Maybe I just don’t see it right now, could anybody explain?
“Every single instance of fascism in history was brought in by liberal capitalists to crush working class dissent that challenged Capital.“
DeSantis just made it law that he gets to pick the people who run the land Disney sits on. Because they criticized his politics. So you’re saying he’s a liberal, and that his politics are his way to make money.
And you’re saying Disney is ‘working class.’ I somehow think you’ve not quite thought this ‘always blame the dems’ strategy all the way through…
There's a very good reason why Karl Marx is buried & memorialised in Highgate Cemetery...:
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...and not, say... Oswald Mosley.
There's an extremely good reason why you'll see HMS Belfast on the Thames in London, and not, say... Bismarck.
Why the former isn't a shipwreck? You do the maths, Nazi.
For the libs, fascists are necessary evil to restore order in the country. While not explicitly stating their support, their silence in complicity under fascist rule gives away where their allegiance lies.
This part sounds like a type of shadow government or NWO conspiracy theory to me. It suggests that someone is above both liberalism and fascism, manipulating and exploiting them for a plan. Or that somehow liberalism would opportunistically promote fascism for its own ends, which appears contradictory. If the goal was to explain that liberalism could be reactionary, it could be expressed without this conspiratorial confusion.
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and eventually get backstabbed by them as well, because, at least to me, fascism is just as anti-capitalist as it is anti-socialist, because fascism is all about power for themselves and themselves alone at the end of the day. Its’ why so many Nazis and Neo-Nazis tend to voice hatred at capitalism because they view them as a threat to them as well as capitalism not being far-right enough for their liking.
Sure, some capitalists thought Fascists would be good puppets to fight Socialism but, ultimately, most smart capitalists understand Fascists are as hostile to capitalism as they’re to Socialism because they want total control over state and society.
Well, let’s take a look at the economic policies of Mussolini, the OG fascist dictator. After he secured himself in power following Matteotti’s 1925 assassination, he reversed Alberto De Stefani’s classical liberal program and had the state take a larger role in directing the economy. By 1939, Italy was second only to the Soviet Union in government ownership of the economy.
Sounds just like liberal capitalism to me. /s
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